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#151 HP

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:30

Originally posted by Clatter
So the piece of pipe finally flies off. Can't believe the stewards couldnt see the danger and allowed him to continue, or that the team didnt remove it at the stop.

Usually other teams make complaints. Wonder if that happend here.

But then they did let Kimi race with a flat spotted tyre that was obviously dangerous for the car in the past.

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#152 HP

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:31

Originally posted by jcbc3
Mosley will come out and admonish the race stewards after this race I'm sure.

Please no other "coming out and admonishing" from Mosley ;)

Seriously he still is rather quiet, so I'm not sure we hear anything from him.

#153 Clatter

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:32

Originally posted by HP

We could debate that long a wide, but what does it solve? We both will enjoy F1 even less, and I don't think that's in our mutual interest. Let's just hope that Mosley will take his hat soon.


True enough.

#154 lokiman

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:32

Originally posted by jcbc3
Guess FIA got lucky there.

Pathetic officiating.


Yep: Hamilton gets a drive-through penalty for an infraction that was marginal at best; Kovalainen is given a 5 place grid-penalty for failing to either drive off the track or smash into Nakajima; yet Kimi gets to drive around with an obviously dangerous exhaust and the stewards do nothing. Brilliant!

#155 Deeq

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:33

Nelson :clap: :clap: :clap:

#156 jcbc3

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:35

Wil Trulli get 25 seconds for that one?

#157 BMW_F1

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:35

Originally posted by Deeq
Nelson :clap: :clap: :clap:


he's been on Alonso's pace the entire race.. :up:

#158 Clatter

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:36

Originally posted by HP
Usually other teams make complaints. Wonder if that happend here.

But then they did let Kimi race with a flat spotted tyre that was obviously dangerous for the car in the past.


One thing to risk damage to your own car quite another when there is a risk to other drivers. If the pipe had come off at the wrong time that could have easily hit someone in the head. It was so obvious that it really does make you wonder about the FIA's safety stance.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:37

Drive of the year from KR. Right there with MS 5th gear at Spain. Massa should celebrate bit less since he was truely beaten without the problem for Kimi.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:37

Originally posted by jcbc3
Wil Trulli get 25 seconds for that one?


It did rather look like a blatant shutting of the door way after Kovalainen could have taken evasive action.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:37

Originally posted by jcbc3
Wil Trulli get 25 seconds for that one?

No.

#162 Deeq

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:38

Originally posted by Clatter


One thing to risk damage to your own car quite another when there is a risk to other drivers. If the pipe had come off at the wrong time that could have easily hit someone in the head. It was so obvious that it really does make you wonder about the FIA's safety stance.


Well they let the Williams race with broken and dangling mirrors in the past[CAN]

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:38

Originally posted by Clatter


One thing to risk damage to your own car quite another when there is a risk to other drivers. If the pipe had come off at the wrong time that could have easily hit someone in the head. It was so obvious that it really does make you wonder about the FIA's safety stance.


they throw out cautions in NASCAR for this stuff on the track primarily for safety.. But then again people bitch and complaint for too many cautions in NASCAR.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:38

Originally posted by Clatter


One thing to risk damage to your own car quite another when there is a risk to other drivers. If the pipe had come off at the wrong time that could have easily hit someone in the head. It was so obvious that it really does make you wonder about the FIA's safety stance.


And that's without considering the possibility of a high speed rear wing failure due to heat damage.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:39

poor Heidfeld.. :cry:

#166 Clatter

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:39

Originally posted by BMW_F1


they throw out cautions in NASCAR for this stuff on the track primarily for safety.. But then again people bitch and complaint for too many cautions in NASCAR.


But this didnt need an on track caution, just remove KR from the mix until the issue is fixed.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:40

Originally posted by lokiman


Yep: Hamilton gets a drive-through penalty for an infraction that was marginal at best; Kovalainen is given a 5 place grid-penalty for failing to either drive off the track or smash into Nakajima; yet Kimi gets to drive around with an obviously dangerous exhaust and the stewards do nothing. Brilliant!


I'm sure Mclaren are getting sick and tired of the persecution they are suffering this year - they might have hoped $100m and their IP getting stolen by Renault without penalty was enough. Time for someone to speak up and take the consequences.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:40

Originally posted by Clatter


One thing to risk damage to your own car quite another when there is a risk to other drivers. If the pipe had come off at the wrong time that could have easily hit someone in the head. It was so obvious that it really does make you wonder about the FIA's safety stance.

A broken suspension does put debris on the track. And that kind of debris is as fatal to the tires, as a hot, broken exhaust.

One thing is obvious though. the stewards don't make attempts to make everyone happy.

#169 Deeq

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:40

Good sending of for the late Toyota chief Ove Andersson :up:

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:40

Well, I'd protest if I was McLaren. Fully well knowing that it would be thrown out. Just to see if the FIA really think that straightlining a corner is worse than trying to drive another driver of the track. Just so we know what the rules really are.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:42

Massa looks pretty stupid celebrating like that when he was completely beaten by Raikkonen's speed at track this weekend.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:42

Originally posted by Clatter


But this didnt need an on track caution, just remove KR from the mix until the issue is fixed.


the cautions are thrown when the debris falls of the car, not when its about to fall off. If the car is really really in bad shape they do ask the car to pit for what you said earlier..

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:43

Originally posted by DoubleWDC
Drive of the year from KR. Right there with MS 5th gear at Spain.


you gotta be kidding me.....

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:43

Originally posted by MacJack
Massa looks pretty stupid celebrating like that when he was completely beaten by Raikkonen's speed at track this weekend.


Like Kimi in Brazil last year.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:43

Great performance by Maranello boys. Too bad that faith decided the order instead of driving. I´m relieved that Kimi was able to finish - those 8 points sure won´t hurt his campaign.

Kudos to Heikki, he did well. Lewis tried hard but to no avail - way too many mistakes combined made the race for him. Surprisingly entertaining French GP altogether ;)

#176 Deeq

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:44

Originally posted by jcbc3
Well, I'd protest if I was McLaren. Fully well knowing that it would be thrown out. Just to see if the FIA really think that straightlining a corner is worse than trying to drive another driver of the track. Just so we know what the rules really are.


Well they would look like silly to say the least! or did you miss Hamilton pumping off Alonso, what is good for the goose ... good for grey boyz :D

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:45

Originally posted by MacJack
Massa looks pretty stupid celebrating like that when he was completely beaten by Raikkonen's speed at track this weekend.


He won the race, Kimi didn't.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:45

Originally posted by MacJack
Massa looks pretty stupid celebrating like that when he was completely beaten by Raikkonen's speed at track this weekend.


A win is a win. That´s motor racing. It isn´t Felipe´s responsibility to feel sorry for Kimi, even if the latter was outperforming him before the problem occurred.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:45

Originally posted by MacJack
Massa looks pretty stupid celebrating like that when he was completely beaten by Raikkonen's speed at track this weekend.

Yep, thats what i thought too. He would have never won if kimis exhaust would've been fine.

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#180 BMW_F1

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:45

Massa leading the WDC.. 48
Kubica ........................46
Kimi.............................43
Lewis..........................38

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:45

Originally posted by Kenaltgr


Like Kimi in Brazil last year.


We have no clue about that since they were not racing.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:46

Originally posted by Kenaltgr


Like Kimi in Brazil last year.

Hmmmm. I quess it pretty different to win a championship than a gran prix?

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:46

Originally posted by Spunout


A win is a win. It isn´t Felipe´s responsibility to feel sorry for Kimi, even if the latter was outperforming him before the problem occurred.


He didn't look stupid, he just IS stupid. What an as... . Simply misplaced.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:46

Current BMW drivers are pathetic. Kubesquarehead is not a racer with fire in his heart; he just has a fast car beneath him, while wasting a good seat which should be handed over to more deserving drivers. Nick - I am lost for words, but it doesn't looks good for him.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:46

Formidable!

Magny-Cours - different lines, overtaking, spectacular chicanes. People don't like this track?

Massa - probably beaten by Kimi, but still a win
Kimi - bad luck, top drive
Jarno - a wonderful drive. Thanks, Ove.
Heikki - how to recover from a penalty
Kubica - as much as could be hoped for from a bad weekend

aaaand...

Nelson Piquet - :clap: Ably battled both the McLarens and passed his team-mate.

Merde!

Lewis Hamilton - how not to recover from a penalty
Nick Heidfeld - Mon dieu

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:47

Originally posted by Deeq


Well they would look like silly to say the least! or did you miss Hamilton pumping off Alonso, what is good for the goose ... good for grey boyz :D


Wonderful overtake - Fred saw him coming way too late and tried to close the door. Move over grandad :clap:

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:48

Originally posted by airwise


I'm sure Mclaren are getting sick and tired of the persecution they are suffering this year - they might have hoped $100m and their IP getting stolen by Renault without penalty was enough. Time for someone to speak up and take the consequences.

McLaren could be a little smarter. They could have instructed Hamilton to give back position, since they know, like you seemingly, that the FiA is after them... Considering that Kova came 4th, there were some sure points to gain there for Hamilton.

Same yesterday, what on earth was Heikki doing? Consider the entire episode, why was Heikki slowing down so much that Nakajama went past him just to be in the way in the crucial moment. McLaren still has 2 inexperienced drivers, even last year that cost them dearly. While the FiA could do better so could Mclaren. All the while kimi, with a broken exhaust still comes second. Had Mclaren been able to just eliminate one of those to errors, they would have most likely a car on 2nd position. I'm not a Mclaren supporter, but I'm glad that at Mclaren are people that look first on how they can improve themselves, before blaming anything else.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:48

Great race for alonso.
Great development, being 5 laps lighter than trulli and kubica and hamilton :lol:
He did great under pressure from hamilton and piquet... :lol:

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:50

Originally posted by MiPe
Current BMW drivers are pathetic. Kubesquarehead is not a racer with fire in his heart; he just has a fast car beneath him,


Yeah. Thats why he is second in WDC in third fastest car. Get a life mate.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:50

Big Ron reckons Lewis was past Vettel and was 'squeezed off the road.' Even as a McLaren supporter, I think that's an, er, interesting interpretation. Lewis not giving interviews by the looks of things...

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:50

Ron Dennis :up:

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:51

Originally posted by Deeq


Well they would look like silly to say the least! or did you miss Hamilton pumping off Alonso, what is good for the goose ... good for grey boyz :D


I agree completely. Also Alonso doing it to Heidfeld in Monaco. There are countless examples. You will see that I have not said that Hamilton shold go unpunished here. I am just asking for equal application of the rules, and that dangerous infractions (like Trulli on Kova) is punished harder than not so dangerous infractions (like Hamilton overshooting today). ILike in soccer where fouls can be given and then a talking to, a warning or a red card. The worse the foul the worse the consequences. It really is that simple.

#193 Deeq

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:51

Originally posted by airwise


Wonderful overtake - Fred saw him coming way too late and tried to close the door. Move over grandad :clap:


Hej I am not complaining it was a good move - sort of ;) - sans the pumping that is. :up:
But McLaren to complain about contact when one of their drivers has had a contact every third car that was in its vicinity is a bit rich to say the least close

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:51

Driver of the day Jarno Trulli :p

Alonso, good in qualifying, bad in the races :D

Webber, Heiki, Ferrari's :up:

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:51

Originally posted by Spunout


A win is a win. That´s motor racing. It isn´t Felipe´s responsibility to feel sorry for Kimi, even if the latter was outperforming him before the problem occurred.

Thank's for common sense. Reliability is part of the sport.


Also if drivers are not allowed to express their emotions anymore even if it was a win aided by Kimi's car problems, then it's time to close shop.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:52

Well that was a dull race...for the second year in a row. Magny Cours, good bye and good riddance!

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:52

Kimi said that power loss was "massive"

#198 Kenaltgr

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:52

Originally posted by bond
Great race for alonso.
Great development, being 5 laps lighter than trulli and kubica and hamilton :lol:
He did great under pressure from hamilton and piquet... :lol:


The strategy runined his race, he was the fastest car on the track for most of the 2nd stint when he caught Trulli and Kubica. Then he was stuck behind Webber and a backmarker mistake let Piquet pass.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:53

Originally posted by Deeq


Hej I am not complaining it was good move - sort of ;) - sans the pumping that is. :up:
But McLaren to complain about contact when one of their drivers has had a contact every third car was in the vicinity is a bit rich to say the least close


didn't stop Kimi complaining about Lewis when he'd done the same to Sutil ;-)

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 13:53

Originally posted by The July Plot
Well that was a dull race...for the second year in a row. Magny Cours, good bye and good riddance!


???????????????? *boggles*