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#51 kar

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 14:12

Lewis knows he was on fumes and still messed up. I think he's really under pressure at the moment and that will maek tomorrow very interesting to see if he does anything silly.

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#52 Ferrim

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 14:26

Originally posted by KWSN - DSM


Heidfeld will not get it together in this season for Q, he can simply not get the tires warm enough, possible that BMW should try load him a little more on fuel and let him circle 3 or 4 laps before he try to nail a time.


That's exactly what BMW tried during Q1, Heidfeld keep driving for several laps.

He was 18th.

#53 DoubleWDC

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 14:27

Great qualifying from the Ferrari boys and FA. :up:

#54 BuonoBruttoCattivo

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 14:29

Originally posted by kar
Lewis ...interesting to see if he does anything silly.


More likely he will...

Massa's lap, as seen in the telly, was indeed slightly "over driven".
Its interesting to see given that he's now leading Raikk in WDC how he fares.

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 14:30

Originally posted by kar
Lewis knows he was on fumes and still messed up. I think he's really under pressure at the moment and that will maek tomorrow very interesting to see if he does anything silly.


That would make your day... :rolleyes:

#56 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 14:31

Originally posted by kar
Lewis knows he was on fumes and still messed up. I think he's really under pressure at the moment and that will maek tomorrow very interesting to see if he does anything silly.

why do you say he messed up?
at MOST he lost one place, kimi was unreacheable
starting 13th or 12th isn't much different

#57 pingu666

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 14:32

i think lewis will talk with the team and then be ok, he does put alot of pressure on himself tho :/

#58 tidytracks

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 14:34

Heikki slapped with 5 place grid penalty - slow outlap and hindered Webber.

That leaves the top ten:

Kimi, Massa, Alonso, Trulli, Kubica, Webber, Coulthard, Glock, Piquet, Kovalainen

#59 tkulla

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 14:39

I must say I'm impressed with Red Bull's progress. Newey and Willis seem to be getting it together.

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#60 mursuka80

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 14:40

Originally posted by tidytracks
Heikki slapped with 5 place grid penalty - slow outlap and hindered Webber.

That leaves the top ten:

Kimi, Massa, Alonso, Trulli, Kubica, Webber, Coulthard, Glock, Piquet, Kovalainen


Nice one :down:

#61 mursuka80

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 14:42

Originally posted by tidytracks
Heikki slapped with 5 place grid penalty - slow outlap and hindered Webber.

That leaves the top ten:

Kimi, Massa, Alonso, Trulli, Kubica, Webber, Coulthard, Glock, Piquet, Kovalainen


Source?

#62 D A

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 14:51

Originally posted by tidytracks
Heikki slapped with 5 place grid penalty - slow outlap and hindered Webber.

That leaves the top ten:

Kimi, Massa, Alonso, Trulli, Kubica, Webber, Coulthard, Glock, Piquet, Kovalainen


He also got a fine for speeding in the pits during qualifying.

#63 tidytracks

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 14:51

FIA press release

Confirmed by Grandprix.com

#64 pingu666

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:02

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im hoping alonso, in motorbike terms, pulls the pin right from the start, and can pass the ferrari's... or crash into them or something, just to make it interesting....

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:04

I think this Heikki penalty has just delivered the race for Ferrari. I cannot see Fernando challenging the Ferrari cars over race distance, or Trulli, Kubica etc. These guys can fight it out amongst themselves while Ferraris run away.

Anything less than 18 points will be a disappointment for Ferrari. :cool:

#66 D A

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:04

Originally posted by pingu666
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im hoping alonso, in motorbike terms, pulls the pin right from the start, and can pass the ferrari's... or crash into them or something, just to make it interesting....


Imagine the fireworks if he and Massa crashes.

#67 primer

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:05

Originally posted by pingu666
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im hoping alonso, in motorbike terms, pulls the pin right from the start, and can pass the ferrari's... or crash into them or something, just to make it interesting....


Yeah pingu, it would be nice to see Lewis crash into Heikki too.

Just to make it interesting. :up:

#68 BuonoBruttoCattivo

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:08

Originally posted by pingu666
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im hoping alonso, in motorbike terms, pulls the pin right from the start, and can pass the ferrari's... or crash into them or something, just to make it interesting....


Yes , yes, just like what Lewis did in Canada, cause accidents and "make it interesting"?
Nothing like seeing Ferrari's getting crashed into, when all else fails, eh fuckwit?

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:08

naw, they will be coming/trying the pack, take away the ferrari's and alot of drivers could actully win...

alonso, truli, nick, robert, the red bulls, and lewis and hekki

otherwise in the dry its kimi or massa

#70 klover

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:09

Originally posted by pasadena
FM did two mistakes IIRC and that costed him the PP.
Congratulations to KR, great work from his team to save one lap.
Men of the qualifying: FA and KR.
BMW suspiciosly slow, NH especially bad.
HK quite slow as well.
LH - hard work ahead of him tomorrow.
Williamses quite slow, pity.

Ferrari by far the best car, as all the time this season (Australia and Monaco notwithstanding).


How do you know if the mistakes cost Massa PP if Kimi didn't even finish his best lap? Do you know for a fact that Massa would have been faster than that aborted lap even without the mistakes? Come on hrvoje, a little credit to Kimi, it won't hurt ;)

#71 MichaelPM

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:18

Originally posted by primer
Anything less than 18 points will be a disappointment for Ferrari. :cool:

Should be a walk in the park for them, given their pace advantage they could even turn down the rev's after the first lap and take a comfortable 1-2. Short lived championship lead for Kubica if he dosent make up some places tomorrow, Massa will be there to take the WDC lead otherwise.

Hamilton has to try and get passed DC aswell...hehe the most crashed into driver of 2008, although people crash into his side while Hamilton prefares the rear. Glock and Piquet are a bit unknown quantity aswell but they should be dispatched before the first turn.

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:19

Originally posted by Just
Interesting qualifying.

Hard to predict anything other than a Ferrari 1-2 tomorrow.

Toyota have been surprisingly quick, BMW of course surprisingly slow. Heidfeld doesn't deserve a drive in a BMW.

Interesting how free practice would have had you believe that Torro Rosso was quicker than Red Bull, with Webber having spent long periods being the "slowest" of the four. Yet in qualifying, the Red Bulls are 8 and 9, the Torro Rosso's are a disappointing 13 and 14, and Webber is the quickest of the four.


It doesnt matter how much MW may struggle in practice.. when the green flag drops, the bullshit stops! Marks car may not be set up right but it is almost a certainty that come qualifying he will wrestle it around quicker than the other 3

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:25

glock isnt that unknow to overtake.... hes very very hard to overtake, and he will try to retake the position straight away, probably the most entertaining guy for ontrack action now

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:25

Originally posted by MichaelPM
Should be a walk in the park for them, given their pace advantage they could even turn down the rev's after the first lap and take a comfortable 1-2. Short lived championship lead for Kubica if he dosent make up some places tomorrow, Massa will be there to take the WDC lead otherwise.

Hamilton has to try and get passed DC aswell...hehe the most crashed into driver of 2008, although people crash into his side while Hamilton prefares the rear. Glock and Piquet are a bit unknown quantity aswell but they should be dispatched before the first turn.


If Hamilton hasn't made up any positions by Adelaide hairpin, he better watch out. Piquet could lunge up the inside and make a few people very upset.

Piquet doesn't want to do this tomorrow: :lol:

I think there's a very good chance of a possible SC at the end of lap 1 tomorrow.

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:27

Originally posted by bond


That would make your day... :rolleyes:

That would make my day too :kiss: needs a shot of modesty.

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:28

Originally posted by wonk123


It doesnt matter how much MW may struggle in practice.. when the green flag drops, the bullshit stops! Marks car may not be set up right but it is almost a certainty that come qualifying he will wrestle it around quicker than the other 3

Sounds about right to me.;) He struggled with setup in Friday practice far worse than usual this round, but of course he's not exactly known for his showboating in practice anyway. I'm interested to see how much fuel he has on board compared to DC, who seems to have talked up his fuel load in his post-qualifying comments. But what worries me most is the start tomorrow - he'll now be starting from the dirty side of the track, and given his recent race starts I can just see him losing a place or two on the first lap...

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:28

Originally posted by BuonoBruttoCattivo


Yes , yes, just like what Lewis did in Canada, cause accidents and "make it interesting"?
Nothing like seeing Ferrari's getting crashed into, when all else fails, eh fuckwit?


I don't agree with his statement, but your reply is a bit much when every week we have countless people hoping for Lewis to crash out. I hope they get the same response from you.

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:33

French GP - Qualifying session

Magny-Cours, 21st June 2008

Qualifying session

K.Raikkonen: 1° 1.16.449 5 laps chassis 270
F.Massa: 2° 1.16.490 6 laps chassis 267
Weather: air temperature 29/31 °C, track temperature 40/43 °C, sunny then covered skies.

"There could be no better way of celebrating Ferrari's two hundredth pole position than with an all-red front row of the grid in the French Grand Prix: quickest in Q3 was Kimi Raikkonen, who thus recorded his second pole of the season and the sixteenth of his career. Alongside the World Champion will be Felipe Massa. This means that Ferrari has taken five poles from the first eight qualifying sessions of the season: three with Felipe and two with Kimi. "We are very happy with this result," commented the Team Principal of the Gestione Sportiva, Stefano Domenicali. "It is very satisfying to have notched up our two hundredth pole, but we must not rest on our laurels. It's the championship points that count and they get handed out after the race. It's true that this gives us the best possible start, but we will have to watch every last detail if we want to bring home maximum points. On top of that, the weather forecast is very uncertain, with a chance that it could worsen just as the race is on."

Felipe Massa: "It was a good qualifying, especially the first two parts. In the third one, maybe I went a bit over the limit to try and get out all the potential from the car and I lost enough time to prevent me from doing better. However, I am happy, because we have everything in place to pick up important points for the championship. The F2008 is very competitive on this type of track and we worked in the right direction in terms of fine tuning it. Tyre choice for qualifying was not easy but so far, we have been able to be strong in all conditions. I am happy that the team recorded its two hundredth pole position today and it's an honour for me to have made a small contribution to this milestone."

Kimi Raikkonen: "I am very happy with this result, not just for myself but above all for the team. It is a pleasure to have taken Ferrari's two hundredth pole even if, at the moment, I have only played a small part in the history of Scuderia. So far, the weekend is going really well but of course we have yet to tackle the most important part which is the race, where anything could happen. The car has always been well balanced and, at least as far as the first lap is concerned, the performance of the two tyres is pretty similar, while the harder compound seems to do better over a long distance. If I was not to win, I would obviously be a bit disappointed, but the most important thing is to finish and bring home the maximum number of points, because we really need them."

Luca Baldisserri: "A great qualifying, with both cars running troublefree throughout. So far, we have tackled this race weekend in the best way possible, but we know what really counts is the race. Strategy, tyre performance, the work of the drivers and team and, above all, reliability: these will be as usual the key factors. Added to these will be the weather. If it was to rain, we will need to be sharp to react to the various situations that could develop during the race."

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:35

Originally posted by klover


How do you know if the mistakes cost Massa PP if Kimi didn't even finish his best lap? Do you know for a fact that Massa would have been faster than that aborted lap even without the mistakes? Come on hrvoje, a little credit to Kimi, it won't hurt ;)

Far as I read his post - KR and FA were men of qualifying. Isn't that credit??? Why are Ferrari fans so touchy to the fact that the Ferrari has been the fastest car at nearly every race? :confused:

Actually I thought the moment of qualifying was DC launching the Red Bull over the chicane to grab 9th at the end of Q2! :lol: :up:

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:35

Originally posted by MichaelPM
Should be a walk in the park for them, given their pace advantage they could even turn down the rev's after the first lap and take a comfortable 1-2.



Yes :up: Kimi is The Man when it comes car developing, he always seems to have fastest car of the grid.

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:45

Originally posted by Ricardo F1
Far as I read his post - KR and FA were men of qualifying. Isn't that credit???


It´s not when he says that Massa was the real pole sitter - but for this and that - that´s not way to give credit, especially when he was totally wrong, like klover said, Kimi abandoned his fastest lap, so how in hell could Pasadena know if Massa was up to the job?

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:47

Autosport.com NOR Formula1.com have yet confirmed Kovy's 5 place drop. It can't be a lie.... surely? :down:

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:48

Originally posted by D.M.N.
Autosport.com NOR Formula1.com have yet confirmed Kovy's 5 place drop. It can't be a lie.... surely? :down:


It's not a lie. I have the steward's decision on my desk.

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:49

Everyone's reporting it, they're just slow.

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:49

Originally posted by stormshadow
That would make my day too :kiss:
needs a shot of modesty.

That was totally uncalled for. :down:

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 16:01

I can't find a press release on the FIA site, Autosport, Planet F1 or ITV-F1 confirming HK's penalty?

Do you have a link to the news article?

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 16:06

Originally posted by Gilles12
I can't find a press release on the FIA site, Autosport, Planet F1 or ITV-F1 confirming HK's penalty?

Do you have a link to the news article?


Kovy himself said that Mclaren were expecting penalty so they filled up his car. Considering that his quali performance wasn't that poor at all.

KR did good job and I think he is heavier than Massa. So far poles 3 to Massa and KR 2.

Beemers were disappointing, Alonso seems to be regular top 6 qualifier now

#88 BuonoBruttoCattivo

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 16:11

Originally posted by Anomnader


I don't agree with his statement.


That is where you should have ended your post. :)

#89 Gilles12

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 16:18

I guess this penalty will make McLaren's job easier to get LH past him...

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 16:22

Originally posted by yr


It´s not when he says that Massa was the real pole sitter - but for this and that - that´s not way to give credit, especially when he was totally wrong, like klover said, Kimi abandoned his fastest lap, so how in hell could Pasadena know if Massa was up to the job?

Kimi did a great lap, his last was quicker still. Massa screwed up, also true. I doubt Massa could have beaten kimi today.

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 16:30

Originally posted by BuonoBruttoCattivo


That is where you should have ended your post. :)


So you're saying its OK to ask for Lewis to crash and thats fine, but call for Ferrari drivers and that earns abuse.

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 16:46

Dyer: ''With the pole position and our strategy we have a good chance to win tomorrow. We knew Kimi didn't need his second flying lap so we've saved a bit of fuel.''

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 16:53

Originally posted by Anomnader


So you're saying its OK to ask for Lewis to crash and thats fine, but call for Ferrari drivers and that earns abuse.


:rotfl:
You're not very smart, are you?
Have a nice day, this is just too silly and childish for me. :up:

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 16:55

Originally posted by klover
a little credit to Kimi, it won't hurt ;)

So "Congratulations to KR, great work from his team to save one lap. Men of the qualifying: FA and KR." is not a credit to KR?!? What should I wrote to please you?

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 16:56

Originally posted by yr



Yes :up: Kimi is The Man when it comes car developing, he always seems to have fastest car of the grid.

He enjoys a fruits of the labour of good test drivers and teammates, both at McLaren and Ferrari.

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 17:05

Originally posted by pasadena
He enjoys a fruits of the labour of good test drivers and teammates, both at McLaren and Ferrari.

Hrvoje - We all know you are trolling, but I enjoy battering you.

If Kimi is so bad at developing the car, how do you explain him being the driver who has tested the most out of Ferrari drivers this year? Surely if he was an idiot when it came to car development, Ferrari would let other drivers do most of the testing :smoking:

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 17:11

Originally posted by pasadena
He enjoys a fruits of the labour of good test drivers and teammates, both at McLaren and Ferrari.


Oh, I see. As opposite to Alonso, who has been always at most second fastest car but has obviously been only one responsible for the great speed of his cars? It´s a shame though, just think if he had the same test drivers and team mates as Kimi has had to develop his cars.

BTW strange detail is, that Kimi has done most testing miles both this and last year, but I guess that´s just because he needs rehearsal of how to drive a car.

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 17:15

Originally posted by yr
BTW strange detail is, that Kimi has done most testing miles both this and last year, but I guess that´s just because he needs rehearsal of how to drive a car.

Yes, exactly. And he still misses his setup on occassion.

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 17:15

Originally posted by Cheap Wine Alesi
but I enjoy battering you.

Please do continue, I have a good laugh every time you try!

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 17:20

Originally posted by pasadena
Yes, exactly. And he still misses his setup on occassion.


Who doesn´t?