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#1 Tomecek

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 14:49

For slowing down Mark Webber.

Not McLaren weekend...

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#2 potmotr

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 14:50

Source please. Can't see it on autosport.com yet.

#3 Tomecek

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 14:50

Originally posted by potmotr
Source please. Can't see it on autosport.com yet.

I am sitting in press centre. Just released by FIA 10 minutes ago.

#4 tidytracks

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 14:51

Originally posted by potmotr
Source please. Can't see it on autosport.com yet.


I just brought this up in post qualifying comments.

FIA released this about 5 minutes ago.

It's also on grandprix.com

#5 potmotr

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 14:53

Originally posted by Tomecek
I am sitting in press centre. Just released by FIA 10 minutes ago.


Great, thank you very much.

#6 Mila

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 14:53

that would make HK 11th and LH 13th. the team leader is still winning the race to the back of the grid.

McLaren is on the verge of losing the plot.

#7 primer

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 14:54

Seems a fair penalty, though perhaps Mclaren should have informed him on radio in time.
Anycase, sometimes these things will happen with this format.

#8 tidytracks

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 14:55

Originally posted by Mila
that would make HK 11th and LH 13th. the team leader is still winning the race to the back of the grid.

McLaren is on the verge of losing the plot.


No it'll make heikki 10th and lewis 13th

penalties are applied in the order in which they are given.

#9 Gecko

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 14:55

It's a silly penalty as it cost Mark nothing in the end. Rules are rules, however, so I suppose they had to do something about it.

#10 D.M.N.

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 14:56

And Nakajima?

#11 pingu666

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 14:58

when/where did he "block" webber?, hekki wouldnt do it intentionaly, of that im sure

#12 Mila

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 14:58

right, tidytracks. thank you.

#13 tidytracks

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 14:59

Originally posted by Mila
right, tidytracks. thank you.


no worries :D

top 10 order is now:

Kimi, Massa, Alonso, Trulli, Kubica, Webber, Coulthard, Glock, Piquet, Kovalainen

#14 BuonoBruttoCattivo

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:03

Originally posted by primer
....though perhaps Mclaren should have informed him on radio in time.


Indeed they should have.
I thought that, according to Lewis, after Malaysia and Canada, the team "learns from, and moves on" after given penalties. :lol: :down:

#15 potmotr

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:04

It was hardly a critical section of the lap. And Nakajima was also involved.
Surely just one of those things, nothing like Malaysia.

#16 Tomecek

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:16

Originally posted by pingu666
when/where did he "block" webber?, hekki wouldnt do it intentionaly, of that im sure

Stewards deemed him to go unnecessarily slowly and thus impending car No.10.

It is valid only for Q3, but between SC lines (after turn 2 and before turn 16) they have to make 1:18.0 in their out and in laps. Maybe they used this as refference.

#17 Tomecek

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:25

Kovalainen also got penalty of 2800 € for speeding in the pitlane :smoking:

He did it at 14:06.

Seems to be confused where he should go fast and where slow ;)

#18 hobbes

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:28

i like the guy but his head seems messed up. Maybe there is too much pressure on him or something or he is really really unlucky

#19 Anomnader

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:30

If true sounds like a another BS penalty for McLaren, very soon it will be an offense for a McLaren to be on the track at the same time as any other car.

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#20 potmotr

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:31

Sad for McLaren, but good news for BMW. Their poorest qualifying of the seasons isn't looking so bad now.

#21 Enkei

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:31

Royally shafted once again, way to go :up:

#22 stormshadow

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:32

Originally posted by BuonoBruttoCattivo


Indeed they should have.
I thought that, according to Lewis, after Malaysia and Canada, the team "learns from, and moves on" after given penalties. :lol: :down:

They can only "move on" if they've learnt; maybe they're trying to master it than simply learn from it. :stoned:

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:34

Originally posted by Anomnader
If true sounds like a another BS penalty for McLaren, very soon it will be an offense for a McLaren to be on the track at the same time as any other car.

Since when did they become holier than thou?
Rule are rules are rules.....

#24 Tomecek

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:38

This is interesting:

30.12 A speed limit of 60km/h will be imposed in the pit lane during all free practice sessions, this will be raised to 80km/h for the remainder of the Event. However, this limit may be amended by the Permanent Bureau of the Formula One Commission following a recommendation from the FIA F1 safety delegate.
Except in the race, any driver who exceeds the limit will be fined €200 for each km/h above the limit (this may be increased in the case of a second offence in the same Event). During the race, the stewards may impose either of the penalties under Article 16.3a) or b) on any driver who exceeds the limit.


No announcement from FIA here about speed limit change.

#25 rodlamas

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:38

Originally posted by Anomnader
If true sounds like a another BS penalty for McLaren, very soon it will be an offense for a McLaren to be on the track at the same time as any other car.


It's just amazing, isn't it?

Raikkonen should have been sent to the back of the grid at Montecarlo and instead he gets a drive through that drops him from 2nd to 4th.

Raikkonen totals Sutil's race and gets zero penalty.

And up until now this year we have the Mclaren being punished in qual in Malaysia, Lewis being punished in Canada (and the fanboys here wanted him banned from France) and now this for Kova, for doing something that had zero effeect on what happened in Q3 today.

#26 bankoq

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:40

Strange, there's still no confirmation on autosport.com.

#27 Ricardo F1

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:43

It's still a rule. Five places it is, even as a McLaren fan I can accept that.

Complete fanboy idiots above blaming McLaren for Heikki making a driving error / bad choice on the other hand should grow up.

#28 Anomnader

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:48

Originally posted by Ricardo F1
It's still a rule. Five places it is, even as a McLaren fan I can accept that.

Complete fanboy idiots above blaming McLaren for Heikki making a driving error / bad choice on the other hand should grow up.


amazing that it only seems to be getting leveled at McLaren cars, in todays qualifying session we saw a Ferrari get in the way of someone elses fast lap, it get repeated on TV, they don't seem to be looking into that.

IF THIS IS TRUE of course

#29 Anomnader

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:50

Originally posted by rodlamas


It's just amazing, isn't it?

Raikkonen should have been sent to the back of the grid at Montecarlo and instead he gets a drive through that drops him from 2nd to 4th.

Raikkonen totals Sutil's race and gets zero penalty.

And up until now this year we have the Mclaren being punished in qual in Malaysia, Lewis being punished in Canada (and the fanboys here wanted him banned from France) and now this for Kova, for doing something that had zero effeect on what happened in Q3 today.


it does seem that if you are competing against Ferrari then your chances of penaltys goes up by a great amount, in the past years its being McLaren and Renault

#30 dank

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:51

Oh well, happy days for both Webber and DC come tomorrow! :D

#31 kar

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:54

McLaren are going to be lucky to finish 3rd in the constructors the way things are going. They appear to be going backwards for pace but worse, aren't getting many big bags of points per race like last year.

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:54

Originally posted by Anomnader
If true sounds like a another BS penalty for McLaren, very soon it will be an offense for a McLaren to be on the track at the same time as any other car.


Would you say the same,if one of ferraris would have got a penalty? I think not :down:

#33 Anomnader

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:56

Originally posted by mursuka80


Would you say the same,if one of ferraris would have got a penalty? I think not :down:


Massa today hindered a driver on a quick lap, they seem to have got away with ok.

#34 mclarensmps

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:56

Idiotic penalty considering Heikki was the one guy who actually tried to get out of the way, where the hell was he supposed to go, off the track?

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:57

Originally posted by rodlamas


It's just amazing, isn't it?

Raikkonen should have been sent to the back of the grid at Montecarlo and instead he gets a drive through that drops him from 2nd to 4th.

Raikkonen totals Sutil's race and gets zero penalty.

And up until now this year we have the Mclaren being punished in qual in Malaysia, Lewis being punished in Canada (and the fanboys here wanted him banned from France) and now this for Kova, for doing something that had zero effeect on what happened in Q3 today.


Hammy rams alonso in bahrain and gets zero penalty :wave: Double standards eh?

#36 Anomnader

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:57

Originally posted by kar
McLaren are going to be lucky to finish 3rd in the constructors the way things are going. They appear to be going backwards for pace but worse, aren't getting many big bags of points per race like last year.


Its always nice to have a friend like Max.....

#37 F575 GTC

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:57

Originally posted by rodlamas
Raikkonen totals Sutil's race and gets zero penalty.


Apparantly common sense is unavaliable in some parts of the world. :rolleyes:

#38 Alfisti

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:58

It was a blatant block, not intentional I imagine but Webber aborted what wa shis fatsest lap of the weekend. HK was just asleep.

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:58

Originally posted by Anomnader


Massa today hindered a driver on a quick lap, they seem to have got away with ok.


Oh you mean when he moved out off the way of DC when both were going to the pits? :rotfl:

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#40 Anomnader

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 15:59

Originally posted by mursuka80


Oh you mean when he moved out off the way of DC when both were going to the pits? :rotfl:


No.

#41 mursuka80

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 16:00

Originally posted by Anomnader


Its always nice to have a friend like Max.....


So on everytime Mclaren gets a penalty Maxxx phones the stewards to give the Mclaren Ze punishment? Please :rotfl:

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 16:00

autosport.com tends not to print anything untilit has been confirmed, then they are always pretty fast in printing a story.

Where does that fit in with this? (as it still hasn't appeared here.)

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 16:01

If he copped this over the incident where Nakajima was infront of him than its a total joke. Where was he supposed to go? Has Nakajima copped a penalty? I recall Kimi stayed on the racing line going towards Adelaide infront of a Torro Rosso and got nothing.

Nice game RB have played here, with 8-9 they've got themselves onto 6-7 on the grid :

#44 mursuka80

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 16:01

Originally posted by Anomnader


No.


Well what then? I watched the Qualy and all i saw was that DC thing :)

#45 hobbes

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 16:03

Originally posted by mursuka80


Well what then? I watched the Qualy and all i saw was that DC thing :)


Tv kept showing the incident so surely u must have seen it!

#46 eoin

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 16:03

Seems harsh, Webber just seemed to get traffic at the wrong time and cost him nothing in the end.

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 16:03

Not a mclaren fan but really! - was he supposed to drive through nakajima to get out the way?
If they want to be consistent, nakajima should have gotten the same penalty,

#48 K-One

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 16:03

Apparently Mclaren were waiting penalty for Kovy after Q1 incident, so they changed his strategy and filled up his car

Webber didn't see anything wrong with Kovy

#49 Anomnader

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 16:05

Originally posted by GStephen
Not a mclaren fan but really! - was he supposed to drive through nakajima to get out the way?
If they want to be consistent, nakajima should have gotten the same penalty,


They are consistant, if its a McLaren punish them, if its anyone else, ignore it.

#50 mursuka80

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 16:06

Originally posted by K-One
Apparently Mclaren were waiting penalty for Kovy after Q1 incident, so they changed his strategy and filled up his car

Webber didn't see anything wrong with Kovy


Well if webber said that then its BS penalty :mad: