Link between Lewis' penalties and Tv coverage.
#1
Posted 23 June 2008 - 02:11
But then again does the race steward have any source about the infringements besides the tv broadcast? or does he have a feed from all cameras on track? if not that latter wouldn't that constant tv coverage on Lewis through out the track shed a spotlight on all his mishaps and ignore the others (for example the start of the French GP mostly focused on Lewis's lap). Kind off like the movies scene, the bigger the movie gets, the more people watching every inch of the screen spotting continuation and production errors.
Please comprehend that this is a genuine thread that tries to start some sort of unpolitical analysis on the topic.
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#2
Posted 23 June 2008 - 03:07
#3
Posted 23 June 2008 - 03:31
Originally posted by mach4
If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
Touche.
#4
Posted 23 June 2008 - 03:56
Originally posted by mach4
If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
depends whether it's a ferrari tree or a mclaren tree.
and please don't flame me...i'm just kidding.
#5
Posted 23 June 2008 - 03:58
#6
Posted 23 June 2008 - 04:16
Alternatively, if say, Button dived down the inside of Sutil and straightlined a corner, but it wasn't on TV, would he have copped the same penalty? Would the Stewards have noticed?*
*Would they have cared?
#7
Posted 23 June 2008 - 05:14
Hamilton penalties and weather they are fair (I personally think they are),
Rosberg very candiddly stated that he and Hamilton fully deserved the penalty for an infraction that saw Massa and Fisichella black flagged last year without crashing into anyone. The difference between Nico and Lewis is that one of them is taking responsibility for his mistake.
#8
Posted 23 June 2008 - 05:32
Point is such incidents as passing the chicane deserves a penalty if an advantage was warranted from it, this is not to argue whether a mistake took place or not but whether the attention on Hamilton makes him more prone to being penalized as he's more likely to be caught.
We always catch the end of the chaos at the tail of the grid during the first few corners and it looks really messy, if he had more time given to them at the beginning wouldn't that logically translate into penalties being awarded for clear evidence of infringements?
#9
Posted 23 June 2008 - 10:36
#10
Posted 23 June 2008 - 10:46
But it does seem that if an incident is shown in replay then a penalty normally follows, as though the stewards feel there is an expectation of a penalty.
#11
Posted 23 June 2008 - 11:08
I dont think they have that access so who knows?
#12
Posted 23 June 2008 - 11:55
#13
Posted 23 June 2008 - 12:00
A fun variation I heard was:Originally posted by mach4
If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
If a woman says something and no man is around to hear it, is she still wrong?
#14
Posted 23 June 2008 - 12:30
Originally posted by Most Fastest
Rosberg very candiddly stated that he and Hamilton fully deserved the penalty for an infraction that saw Massa and Fisichella black flagged last year without crashing into anyone. The difference between Nico and Lewis is that one of them is taking responsibility for his mistake.
Nico didn't lose an almost certain win and with it possibly a realistic shot at the World Championship this year, though. He was bound to be able to see things more objectively.
#15
Posted 23 June 2008 - 12:54
I have no idea where we get this "almost certain" win from Lewis in Canada. My money was on Kimi at that stage.Originally posted by Risil
Nico didn't lose an almost certain win and with it possibly a realistic shot at the World Championship this year, though. He was bound to be able to see things more objectively.
#16
Posted 23 June 2008 - 13:30
We really need more insights into the inner-processes of that race control room...
#17
Posted 23 June 2008 - 13:38
also they didnt use that bollad? camera much during the race, one in the fast chicane... that would of been epic at the start
#18
Posted 23 June 2008 - 13:41
#19
Posted 23 June 2008 - 13:43
Originally posted by DigDig
Here is why I dont think the race stewards watch the CCTV cameras all the time, remember last year the safety car incident involving Vettel and Webber in the Japanese grand prix? Hamilton's "involvement" in causing that incident only came to the attention by a YOUTUBE VIDEO a few days later.. what were they doing when they had that footage across several monitors in front of them then?
We really need more insights into the inner-processes of that race control room...
And they announced that weather was so bad they won't give a penalty. Complete horseshit.
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#20
Posted 23 June 2008 - 13:50
How on earth was Lewis' a certain win??Originally posted by Risil
Nico didn't lose an almost certain win and with it possibly a realistic shot at the World Championship this year, though. He was bound to be able to see things more objectively.
jees the guy was only 6 secs ahead not 60!
#21
Posted 23 June 2008 - 14:07
Originally posted by Risil
Nico didn't lose an almost certain win and with it possibly a realistic shot at the World Championship this year, though. He was bound to be able to see things more objectively.
I think you will find that both Kimi and Lewis lost pretty much about the same from Canada
#22
Posted 23 June 2008 - 14:14
Penalizing Vettel would have been ultra harsh IMHO.Originally posted by wingwalker
And they announced that weather was so bad they won't give a penalty. Complete horseshit.
#23
Posted 23 June 2008 - 14:28
I repeat
This is about what ever the hell the race Stewards have access to in terms of footage, does that have an influence on penalties handed out OR NOT, either provide an opinion or piece of information on the above or feel free to start your own is this penalty fair thread.
#24
Posted 23 June 2008 - 15:17
Originally posted by Ricardo F1
Penalizing Vettel would have been ultra harsh IMHO.
That's what they did. They penalized Vettel, than the youtube video popped up, Toro Rosso hinted FIA about it and that they feel Hamilton is the one who was at fault and FIA said it was too wet so no penalties will be given (so the Vettel penalty was canceled) You couldn't make that one up.
sorry for going OT.
#25
Posted 23 June 2008 - 15:44
Originally posted by Perigee
A fun variation I heard was:
If a woman says something and no man is around to hear it, is she still wrong?
It's actually "If a man speaks in the forest and there is no woman there to hear it, is he still wrong?"
(and it's from George Carlin, who coincidentally died today)
#26
Posted 23 June 2008 - 15:45
He may have been past Vettel but he shot straight through the chicane because he couldn't manage the corner.
If they allowed the pass then every other driver would pass the guy in front, forget about braking, sail through the chicane "run off" and say "the pass was already made." Not so hard to pass if you don't bother about the brakes.
There is no other way to judge the matter. Anyone can justifably say they were "avoiding a crash."
#27
Posted 23 June 2008 - 16:03
Ah! I had read the Viz version, but I am happy to learn they were paraphrasing the late Mr Carlin.Originally posted by mach4
It's actually "If a man speaks in the forest and there is no woman there to hear it, is he still wrong?"
(and it's from George Carlin, who coincidentally died today)
(Edit - this link claims it is incorrectly attributed to Carlin, so who knows! Link)