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#1451 JockinSA

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Posted 06 March 2011 - 16:35

I am so glad that DP seems to back properly. The place has great memories for me as it was where I had my first race back in the days of the Donington Park Production GT Series.
From our point of view with the problems at Kyalami, It appears that the banks etc. maybe do have some kind of heart :clap:
We have heard that the bank with the control of the property have said that the place does have a future as a race circuit, and though there maybe some form of development on the site, the circuit will be kept and used. Apparently all will become clearer after June of this year when the dreaded "Greeks" will fall away as their part of the disaster falls away.
All we can hope for then is a good new future for the place.

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#1452 dank

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Posted 06 March 2011 - 17:55

Seems fitting to post this here: http://www.doningtonhistoric.com

Use promo code 'MSDHF1' to get 25% off ticket prices.

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#1453 Pink Snail

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Posted 06 March 2011 - 18:21

Thanks for that post Dank :up: . Nice to hear good news for Kyalami Jock and hope things go okay down there buddy :cool: !! Wowza!!! Tony (Girraffe) yeah it`s a full year since the first great sunny day we had the Save Donington event :D ...funny how the sun has shined all day here for the first time all day Sunday kinda spooky that it was the same a year ago :eek: . Dank...I am at DP all weekend for the Historic event so will look at getting my tickets sorted asap, maybe Thursday as I am going to Donington for the Masters practise day. Happy Days!! :clap: :clap:

#1454 Giraffe

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Posted 06 March 2011 - 18:34

I'm planning on being at the Masters Series test day on Thursday too Keith! :wave:

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#1455 Ted Walker

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 08:01

Me too. Bringing BT9 and BT10 and Crossle 12F for owners to test.

#1456 Ted Walker

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 08:02

Change BT9 for BT8

#1457 Giraffe

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 22:04

Masters testing at Donington today

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BTCC star Paul O'Neill went F1 testing today

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The ex-Chris Meek Ginetta G10 V8 from circa 1965 discovered in the USA & restored by Gelscoe Motorsport

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A visiting Roberto Moreno

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#1458 Giraffe

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 09:06

TNFers were about in plenty yesterday; Ted (Ferret) Walker chasing his hat down the pit lane, a resurgent Cyrilmac, Keith (Pink Snail) Morales and his pal Scott, Ian (pullman99) Robinson (just popped out of the office for the 2nd day on the trot!), arch enthusiasts & watch collectors the bros. Shelbourne, Ian & Michael dispensing coffee yet again (thanks chaps!) & a cameo appearance reported in the cafe(?!?!) of the elusive & debonair Roger Clark accompanied by the perennially banned Adam Ferrington, ostensibly there just in order to collect some photos from Ted.................. :wave:
Simon Hadfield was present helping clients out too...............

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Young Michael Lyons was shaking down a Lola T70 MK3B for the family (no idea which one but it's a "real" one).

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#1459 Giraffe

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:43

The ex-Daly - Musetti & then Can-Am March 811 / RM05 with interesting chassis plate

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http://www.oldracing...php?CarID=811/5

& talking of chassis plates, where does this fit in? Allen's site recognises this chassis as a 'B' & not a 'C'. Maybe it was upgraded?

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http://www.oldracing...p?TypeID=MS120B

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#1460 Roger Clark

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 12:18

& talking of chassis plates, where does this fit in? Allen's site recognises this chassis as a 'B' & not a 'C'. Maybe it was upgraded?

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http://www.oldracing...p?TypeID=MS120B

http://www.oldracing...p?TypeID=MS120C

It looks like a C to me, but weren't the Cs updated Bs anyway?


#1461 Giraffe

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 12:28

It looks like a C to me, but weren't the Cs updated Bs anyway?


Allen's site shows there to have been / be three 'B's of which chassis 6 is one, and one 'C'. Presumably this is how they left the factory, and all the 'B's in theory could now be 'C's? :confused:

#1462 David McKinney

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 13:03

My understanding (without ORC) is that the build order went:
01 MS10
02 MS80
03 not on my list
04 MS120B, later MS120C
05 MS120B
06 MS120B, later MS120C
07 MS120D

#1463 Giraffe

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 13:06

Back on track.............

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Three different Spices
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Lovely BT30. IIRC this is the ex-Lincoln Small car that I saw Jack Brabham demonstrate at Donington exactly 20 years ago

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This.......

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.....powers this............

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A tale of two Ferraris

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#1464 Tim Murray

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 13:07

We had this selfsame discussion about this selfsame Matra MS120 in the Mallory thread nearly a year ago. See this post and the ensuing discussion.

Edited by Tim Murray, 11 March 2011 - 13:08.


#1465 Giraffe

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 13:18

selfsame discussion selfsame ensuing discussion.


I/we seem to be repeating ourselves, seem to be repeating ourselves Tim! :blush:


#1466 Roger Clark

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 13:37

My understanding (without ORC) is that the build order went:
01 MS10
02 MS80
03 not on my list
04 MS120B, later MS120C
05 MS120B
06 MS120B, later MS120C
07 MS120D

I don't understand this list. What are the 0x numbers, and what happened to the MS11 and MS84?

#1467 h4887

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 13:44

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Masters testing at Donington today



The ex-Chris Meek Ginetta G10 V8 from circa 1965 discovered in the USA & restored by Gelscoe Motorsport

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This G10 was not 'discovered' in the USA, as it has been living there for some years now but has happily been repatriated and supposedly returned to something like original condition, although it was a soft top when raced by Chris Meek. However, the only other G10, the coupe JGF295D did indeed come to light in the USA last year, having been standing in someone's shed for the last 25 years. Apparently they thought it might be a TVR when they bought it! It needs a full restoration, unsurprisingly.


#1468 Giraffe

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 13:57

I mean't by 'discovered' in the USA as much as that is where Jonathan & Andrew of Gelscoe found it, apparently in a rather sorry state.

The guys are searching for period pics of the car at Brands in 1965 & they believe that Chris also raced the car elsewhere. If anyone can be of assistance, can they please e-mail Andy Newall at: info@gelscoemotorsport.com

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#1469 h4887

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 14:07

As far as I know it only raced on that one occasion when in the hands of the Walkletts.

#1470 Giraffe

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 14:09

Two Fords.....

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& two more affordable Fords......

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Paul Knapfield's sublime Ferrari 312PB

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#1471 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 14:59

Great pics Giraffe!! :up:

#1472 David McKinney

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 17:55

I don't understand this list. What are the 0x numbers, and what happened to the MS11 and MS84?

Sorry, I don't understand it either. I should have said the "number order" rather than "build order"

By contrast, the F2 and F3 models seemed to start each model at 01

#1473 B Squared

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 18:01

Great pics Giraffe!! :up:


Agreed. Thanks.

I wish that there was a comparable venue in my area to go see vintage racers on track in such a regular manner.

#1474 Giraffe

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 18:07

Agreed. Thanks.

I wish that there was a comparable venue in my area to go see vintage racers on track in such a regular manner.


There is a price to pay; you'd have to live in Britain. On balance Brian, I'd stick with Ft. Wayne, Indiana ............ :well:

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#1475 mfd

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 18:27

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I don't think those ground effect fans will work without skirts :D

#1476 Giraffe

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 10:01

This is my third Lotus 23 of the week after #65 & #93 at Mallory on Wednesday, this is 23 - S - 46 looked after by Gelscoe Motorsport

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#1477 Giraffe

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 10:36

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Officially announced as the new MD of Donington Park on Friday, ex-Masters Series man Christopher Tate chats with Geoff Richardson at the Walter Hayes meeting at Silverstone yesterday.

http://www.donington...aging-director/

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#1478 arttidesco

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 12:16

Congrats and best wishes to Mr Tate, look forward to seeing where the good ship Donington is headed now that it has divested itself of the attentions of the Effone Calender man and his cronies.

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#1479 Phil Rainford

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 16:24

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/96566

Some good news here :clap:



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#1480 john ruston

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 16:57

Does that mean the UK has lost their CER round next year.

If so that's not good news as its the only chance to see many of the European based Historic Sports car teams

#1481 arttidesco

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 17:20

I've lost touch a bit with Sports cars what's the difference between LMS and FIA World Endurance Championship ? And why will LMP1 not becoming to Donington ?

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 19:17

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/96566

Some good news here :clap:

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Some of the small print:

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#1483 Giraffe

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 06:53

Big Masters test day for the upcoming Historic Festival at Donington today...

http://www.themaster...le_Sessions.pdf

http://www.themaster.....rage Plan.pdf

#1484 Nev

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 07:38

Gentlemen - a message from a lurker on this thread as well as the "Wednesday Mallory" thread ...

These threads are often my first port of call when I turn on my PC - wonderful photography and comments/banter. Thanks to all!

#1485 JockinSA

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 19:39


Hi there Pink Snail et al. I am so glad that the circuit is moving forward again at full speed. Just to update you on the Kyalami saga. The final court decision has been set down and thank the Lord the "Greeks" have been told to pi.. off by the Judge. A slightly odd bit of the ruling was the statement that the circuit had to be auctioned off for a minimum figure of R127M, but it seems that the 2 banks are now coming to a settlement on this. The end result is that the new owner bank is going to redevelop the site, and at the same time maintain the site as a going concern for at least the foreseeable future. Here's hoping, as there has not been any meetings yet this year. Now another circuit is under threat, and to my way of thinking just as important as the potential loss historically of DP. The East London circuit is being threatened by the local council of being turned into a University or some such. The circuit is in fact a public set of roads, and in the recent past has had less than beneficial motorclub oversight, which is why the council are talking about this move. I have been talking with the new people from the club about what they must do to stop this, and using the DP example to boost their spirits. I have offered them whatever help I can in this endevour, and they have asked if I would ask all of you what and how you galvanised local and other support in DP's problems. The slight problem that I have is that I am 700 miles away from East London but manage to get down their at least once a year on my official duties. My feeling is that this place is important because it is still as originally raced by the SA Grand Prixes. The original pre war circuits are to a major extent still in existance and boy oh boy are they something to drive. If there is any one out there who is willing to help in saving this ultra classic circuit, could they message me so that I can pass the wisdom on to these boys, as otherwise one of the "originals" will disappear under concrete. My final comment on this place is what Julian Bailey said to me about "Potters"; "Christ I have never driven a car that fast through a corner before." Our Superbike Challenge people take it flat and accelerating at 260kph. The next corner that you are accelerating at is a hairpin in 2nd. Next stop the Indian Ocean if you get it wrong. Please, any advice, thoughts etc would be most appreciated, even notes that they can take to the council from foreign people not to carry on with their intentions will help. Thanks for reading.

#1486 Pink Snail

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 18:24

I just had a `drive` around the circuit courtesy of Google Earth and am very impressed by what I saw!! How many circuits in the world can boast such a nice location? If anything Jock, I would suggest a plan to get investors to get together and develop the area into some kind of resort that holds race meetings a few times a year to set the ball rolling. The water park, close proximity to a beautiful beach and the chance to build some kind of hotel facility would draw punters in.
There also looks to be a cracking little go-kart track there aswell which could be used all year round. First things first there needs to be enough support for such development to go ahead (from all the local car clubs etc. and enthusiasts). The main thing is to get on board all the local business folk who would benefit from the income created by the racing fraternity and visitors to the track/resort.
I wish them all the luck in the world and trust that there will be enough support to see the area developed as a resort and track together - motor racing worldwide isn`t just about petrol heads thrashing around on the black stuff, it`s about all the service industry that supplies such a venue. By this I mean catering, cleaning, hotel and resort staff, local shops and towns nearby, taxi drivers and bus companies, travel agents, pubs and restaraunts.
In Donington`s case, I know of one Pub that does Bed and Breakfast about a mile and a half from the circuit, who were £30,000 DOWN in the year that Donington was out of commission!!!

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 19:17

I just had a `drive` around the circuit courtesy of Google Earth and am very impressed by what I saw!! How many circuits in the world can boast such a nice location? If anything Jock, I would suggest a plan to get investors to get together and develop the area into some kind of resort that holds race meetings a few times a year to set the ball rolling. The water park, close proximity to a beautiful beach and the chance to build some kind of hotel facility would draw punters in.
There also looks to be a cracking little go-kart track there aswell which could be used all year round. First things first there needs to be enough support for such development to go ahead (from all the local car clubs etc. and enthusiasts). The main thing is to get on board all the local business folk who would benefit from the income created by the racing fraternity and visitors to the track/resort.
I wish them all the luck in the world and trust that there will be enough support to see the area developed as a resort and track together - motor racing worldwide isn`t just about petrol heads thrashing around on the black stuff, it`s about all the service industry that supplies such a venue. By this I mean catering, cleaning, hotel and resort staff, local shops and towns nearby, taxi drivers and bus companies, travel agents, pubs and restaraunts.
In Donington`s case, I know of one Pub that does Bed and Breakfast about a mile and a half from the circuit, who were £30,000 DOWN in the year that Donington was out of commission!!!


Thanks for the reply Pink Snail. Thank goodness you have reiterated what I have said to them so far, and in fact they have a ,hopefully, big historic event in 2 weeks. I am going to look at their entry lists next week to see how they are going. One of the problems in the past has been how the operating club have interacted with the local council, and Mercedes Benz. If you examine the problems that you have in the UK as a whole in selling motorsport to councils and other parties, as a viable leisure pursuit, and then multiply them ten fold, you come somewhere in relation to what we have here. How ever I was politicing today at a race meeting and the people I talked to started to see where I was coming from. A problem that one has here is that the main concentration of people who race are here in the Johannesburg region and an away race become very expensive. East London for me 3 weeks ago was a 3 day away event. If the others are joined in , Cape Town, and Port Elizabeth, it gets even more expensive. For the racers from those areas to do a series is worse because they have to do the reverse trip many more times to come to the Johannesburg region. However I will persevere, one of the areas I have told them to work on is to let the Historic Motorsport world know about the place and to try and set up a viable event(s) with good money to get foreign visitors to come there, and couple it to say to the Knysa Hill Climb event, which is our go at Goodwood FoS.
I shall let them know of your moral support on this, as this will at least let them know that they are not forgotten, hopefully this will add to their incentive to put their backs to the wheel.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 07:55

Who is going to the Historic Festival week-end after next? I'll be there, track-side.
Not sure about parking the Elan in the infield "Clubs Enclosure", not at all convenient for where I want to be and it looks like a single-file exit might be on the cards, making a long day into a very long day.

#1489 Giraffe

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 08:04

Who is going to the Historic Festival week-end after next? I'll be there, track-side.


I intend going but I won't be camping as the forcast is that it will be far from the sundrenched spectacle of last year. Still, we hope for the best. :cool:

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#1490 Odseybod

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 08:16

I intend going but I won't be camping as the forcast is that it will be far from the sundrenched spectacle of last year. Still, we hope for the best. :cool:


I'll be there too, also trackside, but not yet sure which day - can't do both so will have to study the programme (and the seaweed).

#1491 LeroyBoyce

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 14:51

Hello all,

A little article you might like to read...

Facebook have slashed the members by, oooh, about 14000 members... So it's nice to see the group still gets some attention.

http://www.thisislei...tail/story.html

#1492 Phil Rainford

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 11:33

http://www.bbc.co.uk...ngland-19621449


He could always put it back ??


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#1493 BRG

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 12:12

A little article you might like to read...

http://www.thisislei...tail/story.html

Bloody madness. They need planning permission to put the infield straight? In a sane world, the Council would be ordering them to do it on aesthetic grounds. Anyway, it only needs a quick once over to level it, and then seed it with grass. As Martin Brundle might say, get a pikey to do it for a couple of hundred quid, cash in hand.

#1494 kayemod

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 12:34

...it only needs a quick once over to level it, and then seed it with grass. As Martin Brundle might say, get a pikey to do it for a couple of hundred quid, cash in hand.


Given its location, if they dig down a bit, they might find the remains of an English king (or queen), though bearing in mind the current media silliness, I hope all nipples will be decently covered...


#1495 Allan Lupton

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 13:03

Bloody madness. They need planning permission to put the infield straight?

Effectively the new planning consent has to overturn the previous one that was only partly executed.
As things are, unless the time specified for completion has passed, they could start work on completing whatever was supposed to be there under existing consents.
Once they get consent, call in the pikeys :lol:

#1496 Odseybod

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 13:25

Effectively the new planning consent has to overturn the previous one that was only partly executed.
As things are, unless the time specified for completion has passed, they could start work on completing whatever was supposed to be there under existing consents.
Once they get consent, call in the pikeys :lol:


Doesn't it count as a temporary structure, so subject to different rules (like the grandstands at Brands are/were)?

#1497 Allan Lupton

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 22:48


Effectively the new planning consent has to overturn the previous one that was only partly executed.
As things are, unless the time specified for completion has passed, they could start work on completing whatever was supposed to be there under existing consents.
Once they get consent, call in the pikeys :lol:

Doesn't it count as a temporary structure, so subject to different rules (like the grandstands at Brands are/were)?

The Donington infield was going to be "a new pit complex" according to that press report and modern pit arrangements are far from temporary.
The grandstand at Brands that I remember was a substantial building with the timekeepers' box and CotC's office in it - the scaffold jobs at Silverstone on the other hand were certainly of temporary standard, though they weren't moved for decades.

#1498 Odseybod

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 08:22

Doesn't it count as a temporary structure, so subject to different rules (like the grandstands at Brands are/were)?

The Donington infield was going to be "a new pit complex" according to that press report and modern pit arrangements are far from temporary.
The grandstand at Brands that I remember was a substantial building with the timekeepers' box and CotC's office in it - the scaffold jobs at Silverstone on the other hand were certainly of temporary standard, though they weren't moved for decades.


Allan, as Sterling will no doubt confirm, Brands had at least one rickety grandstand structure out in the boondocks that appeared and disappeared according to event and anticipated audience size. But yes, the main Start-Finish line grandstand was/is very 'untemporary' - I've sat in the press box underneath it often enough. Also the later Grovewood Suite (or whatever it's called these days) on the outside of Clearways. Reminds me I really must get to Brands again soon, long time no visit.

As an aside on Planning Law, at school we had an Armoury building that was officially a temproary structure - erected in the late 1920s, I believe, still serving its purpose when I was there in the late '60s and only demolished to make room for some new teaching facilities (funny priorities, I know).

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#1499 Stephen W

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:08

The grandstand at Brands that I remember was a substantial building with the timekeepers' box and CotC's office in it - the scaffold jobs at Silverstone on the other hand were certainly of temporary standard, though they weren't moved for decades.


For the big meetings scaffolding stands were erected at Clearways, on the approach to Paddock Hill Bend and also in the dip at the bottom of Paddock Hill Bend. BTW back in 1962 the grandstand on the outside of Clearways was known as "Little Britches Grandstand" and there was the Portobello grandstand on the outside of Hawthorn Hill Bend. I also remember a raised standing area on the inside approaches to Druids which was supposed to be for photographers (Kodak & Ilford being used in the name from time to time).

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 15:57

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