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#1 DoubleWDC

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 12:19

So much for equality huh?

First Kovalainen let's Humilton past and then slows the rest of the pack. :down:

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#2 BuzzingHornet

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 12:28

and then spins deliberately! :rolleyes:

get a grip.

#3 nada12

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 12:35

Originally posted by DoubleWDC
So much for equality huh?

First Kovalainen let's Humilton past and then slows the rest of the pack. :down:


Maybe..... Kovalainen just wasn't that fast at that stage...?

#4 JForce

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 12:44

Let him through sure, but held up the pack? No more than any other driver in that position.

Troll :down:

#5 imaginesix

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 12:48

Maybe if Kova was faster behind Hami, Hami would equally have had to let him by? Of course, the fact that nobody has any idea if team orders were even used kinda taints the whole discussion to begin with.

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 12:51

Originally posted by DoubleWDC
So much for equality huh?

First Kovalainen let's Humilton past and then slows the rest of the pack. :down:


Hamilton was a lot quicker than Kovalainen that was clear for everyone (I thought).

Maybe time for a pair of glasses for you.

But I guess you thought as this thread as a kind of "payback" for all those pointless threads about teamorders in Ferrari over the years. Two wrongs does not make 1 right though.

#7 djellison

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 12:55

Sounds like a bitter Ferrari fan who can't tell between shameless manipulation of results, and letting past a faster team mate. Telling Hamilton NOT overtake would have been team orders in favor of HK for goodness sake. He's 4s a lap faster.

Question - would there have been any way for Hamilton to overtake Kova without claims of team orders?

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#8 lokiman

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 13:13

Oy...........Lewis was quite obviously a lot faster than Heikki, and the only thing that was likely to be achieved by Heikki continuing to hold up Lewis was the retirement of one or both of the McLaren cars.

#9 elia37

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 13:15

Originally posted by DoubleWDC
So much for equality huh?

First Kovalainen let's Humilton past and then slows the rest of the pack. :down:


What race are you watching?

#10 Bloggsworth

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 13:27

Hamilton, at this rate may lap 3rd or even 2nd place...................... Different class. So gainsayers, you'd better start getting your excuses ready.

#11 Superman

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 13:28

Mcmover make all the right all for LH today so good job for them. Simple. Wining in rainy condition does not prove you are rate the best in the world nowadays.

#12 Bloggsworth

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 13:29

Not really, but it's a good wind-up.

#13 Bloggsworth

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 13:30

Raikkonen lapped, now for Alonso.

Must be team orders......................

#14 lokiman

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 13:32

Originally posted by Superman
Mcmover make all the right all for LH today so good job for them. Simple. Wining in rainy condition does not prove you are rate the best in the world nowadays.


No, you're right: the fact that he was lapping 6 seconds + faster than other guys on the same tires is irrelevant, really.

#15 Superman

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 13:35

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No, you're right: the fact that he was lapping 6 seconds + faster than other guys on the same tires is irrelevant, really.
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what you implied is that he is the best in the world? Geez so the previous two race Massa was the best driver in the world then right?. You argument are quite funny indeed.

#16 Ghostrider

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 13:38

Did they forget to tell Kovalainen to speed up when Hamilton passed him? :)

#17 airwise

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 13:45

Grow up you pathetic idiots.

That was on a par with Senna at Donington. A different class to all the others.

That should make the Hamilton anti fan club STFU.

#18 Superman

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 13:46

Trivial?. NOt when some dickheads call your idiot or stupid.

#19 Vitesse2

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 13:49

Rain sorts the men from the boys.

That is probably the best wet weather drive for forty years since Stewart in Germany in 1968.

Masterful. No question.

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#20 bond

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 13:53

Originally posted by DoubleWDC
So much for equality huh?

First Kovalainen let's Humilton past and then slows the rest of the pack. :down:


Ohh how lovely hamilton won and you just can't take it :rotfl: :rotfl:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

#21 elia37

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 13:54

Originally posted by airwise
That was on a par with Senna at Donington. A different class to all the others.

That should make the Hamilton anti fan club STFU.


It was, and it won't :rolleyes:

#22 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 13:54

Originally posted by DoubleWDC
So much for equality huh?

First Kovalainen let's Humilton past and then slows the rest of the pack. :down:

lewis sucks, the whole world has seen it today
he was just embarrassing and slow, i wonder what the heck is he doing waisting that mclaren seat
oh wait

#23 undersquare

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 13:55

Originally posted by airwise


That should make the Hamilton anti fan club STFU.


Should do, but won't :p

But at least they'll have to work a bit harder :rotfl:

#24 DoubleWDC

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 13:57

Originally posted by MikeTekRacing

lewis sucks, the whole world has seen it today
he was just embarrassing and slow, i wonder what the heck is he doing waisting that mclaren seat
oh wait


How's this relevant? LH was great today no question about it. Doesn't change the fact Kovalainen gifted his position to him with blatant team orders.

#25 MS KR

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 13:58

obvious team orders, not to mention lewis has distant relatives to ron.

#26 Vitesse2

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 14:02

Originally posted by DoubleWDC


How's this relevant? LH was great today no question about it. Doesn't change the fact Kovalainen gifted his position to him with blatant team orders.

Err ... so Lewis' nose wasn't right up to Heikki's gearbox by lap 2 then? :rolleyes:

It was blatantly obvious that Hamilton was faster from the start. Had they started from the same row, he'd have been at least a second ahead by the end of lap 1.

#27 imaginesix

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 14:03

Originally posted by DoubleWDC
How's this relevant? LH was great today no question about it. Doesn't change the fact Kovalainen gifted his position to him with blatant team orders.

"Blatant" meaning there is no evidence of it? And even if he was given an order to move over, why should that be a problem?

#28 DoubleWDC

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 14:07

Originally posted by imaginesix
"Blatant" meaning there is no evidence of it? And even if he was given an order to move over, why should that be a problem?


You should get a better dictionary. :rolleyes: The problem is Mclaren talking about equality and enforcing team orders at halfway of the season.

#29 DVtriple6

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 14:08

Originally posted by DoubleWDC
So much for equality huh?

First Kovalainen let's Humilton past and then slows the rest of the pack. :down:

What would you have him do? crash into his own team mate and McLaren wouldn't get a single point? Come on man.............

*EDIT: Hami came up so fast behind him, it would be either let him ahead or crash.**

Second he never held back anyone.


....................... :rolleyes:

#30 Vitesse2

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 14:08

Originally posted by lokiman





Good grief, can you at least feign a little intelligence? No one's asking you to become a Rhodes Scholar overnight but, Jesus, the lack of anything remotely approaching grammar, syntax, logic or comprehension is soul-sapping. Have some sympathy for the poor saps that have to read the drivel that you spew.

Possible mitigating circumstances:

1 He's Australian.

2 It's the middle of the night there, so he 's probably "tired and emotional".

3 Superman's so dumb, he wears his underpants outside his trousers [old joke!]


Nevertheless, he's still talking bollocks.

#31 Smudger

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 14:10

Originally posted by Superman
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Originally posted by Smudger
Great. Insulted by an 8 year old.
Get a grip on yourself and post sensibly
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Since you seem to be so knowledgeble, tell me when did i did not post sensibly?. Tell me who first start an insult?


Grow up. If you spoke to someone face to face they way you post you would have a broken nose.

#32 DVtriple6

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 14:11

Originally posted by MikeTekRacing

lewis sucks, the whole world has seen it today
he was just embarrassing and slow, i wonder what the heck is he doing waisting that mclaren seat
oh wait

Yeah.. he sucks and won by more than a MINUTE!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

#33 djellison

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 14:18

This forum as some utter trolls.

On the up-side - it also has an ignore feature :up: :up: :up:

#34 VoidNT

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 14:20

Some people are really cracking under pressure here :drunk:

#35 DarthWillie

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 14:27

No team orders at all, Heiki's car was very twitchy, worked good for him in the dry but not in the wet. Lewis was simply a lot quicker.

#36 F575 GTC

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 14:31

Originally posted by djellison
Sounds like a bitter Ferrari fan who can't tell between shameless manipulation of results, and letting past a faster team mate. Telling Hamilton NOT overtake would have been team orders in favor of HK for goodness sake. He's 4s a lap faster.

Question - would there have been any way for Hamilton to overtake Kova without claims of team orders?

Doug


Not really, if it had been in the pitlane there would be cries of fuel loads and so forth.

This wasn't any differant to the BMW's at Canada. Hamilton was faster and Heikki didn't defend. Not really team orders.

#37 Fatgadget

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 14:33

Originally posted by djellison
This forum as some utter trolls.

On the up-side - it also has an ignore feature :up: :up: :up:


Pity you.You have no idea the classic gems you are missing from those you are ignoring then! :D

#38 lokiman

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 14:33

Originally posted by DarthWillie
No team orders at all, Heiki's car was very twitchy, worked good for him in the dry but not in the wet. Lewis was simply a lot quicker.


Yep. There's a huge difference between, "we want Lewis to win, slow down and let him pass, Heikki" and "Lewis is a lot quicker than you, you're holding him up, so please don't fight him because we don't want you to take each other out of the race."

#39 imaginesix

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 14:38

Originally posted by DoubleWDC
You should get a better dictionary. :rolleyes: The problem is Mclaren talking about equality and enforcing team orders at halfway of the season.

They could very well have done the same thing for Kova. That's equality. "Equality" doesn't mean they never issue team orders. You should get a better dictionary.

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#40 giacomo

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 14:38

Hamilton was majestic today. No reason to ridicule that performance with stupid suppostions.

#41 Bernd Rosemeyer

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 14:42

The advantage for McLAren is that they can really concentrate on Hamilton now. He has double as many points as their #2. At ferrari the drivers are on the same points, which makes team orders difficult.

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 14:47

Originally posted by giacomo
Hamilton was majestic today. No reason to ridicule that performance with stupid suppostions.


Yep. His start defined the rest of his race,

#43 Modern Lover

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 15:25

Its high time for this tread to be closed and the tread starter to get a lengthy ban.

#44 pUs

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 15:31

Stupid thread, Hamilton was much faster. If this was indeed a team order, then I have no problems with it anyway.

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 15:33

16 posts removed and counting. Take it elsewhere guys.