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#1 VDP

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 11:05

i m looking currently about a dutch driver racing at the end of the twenties

Any Idea

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#2 Marc Ceulemans

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Posted 24 July 2008 - 17:23

Robert,

He was seen at Scheveningue in 1922, see this thread

#3 Henk

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Posted 27 July 2008 - 13:56

Herman Maurits Vintges
born 26 June 1892 in The Hague
died 10 January 1968 in The Hague.

Herman Vintges was well-known in Dutch motoring circles of the 1920s and ‘30s. He was director of the ‘Internationale Automobiel Maatschappij NV’, a renowned firm in The Hague, specialized in importing Studebaker and some other American and British car makes, such as Pierce Arrow, Daimler and Hillman. For some years he was president of the ‘Motorclub Zuid-Holland’ (MCZH), a regional club that was very active in organizing motorsport events.

The most celebrated MCZH event was the yearly ‘Dumonceau-Cup Run’. Established in 1919, since 1922 the main part of this endurance run was organized in the Ardennes in collaboration with the Belgian ‘Royal Moto Club Liégeois’. Between 1923 and 1937 Herman Vintges was a habitual participant, usually with Studebaker (or Rockne, a Studebaker product).

From 1916 onwards Herman Vintges was also a regular entrant in the many other endurance, reliability, regularity and sprint contests for motorcycles and cars organized in the Netherlands. Apart from Studebaker, he rode Douglas, Indian, BSA, AJS and FN bikes. Gold medals in the ‘International Six Days’ of 1926 and 1929 made him internationally known as a successful Dutch motorcycle rider.

#4 Marc Ceulemans

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Posted 27 July 2008 - 20:10

Thank you very much, Henk.

Pehaps you know something about Kiderlen who was supposed to be his team mate at Spa (24 Hours in 1928) in a Studebaker. This was a DNA entry...

and also

3 other less known drivers from Netherlands seen at Spa in the 30's.

Greeve (Alfa Romeo), most probably Willem Greeve, 3rd of the 24-Hours at Spa in 1933 (Alfa Romeo 8C-2300) sharing with Freddy Thellusson. Willem Greeve was a car dealer but what about his career as driver ?

Guillot or Guillaume, codriver of Hertzberger in 1931 (Lancia Class Type Dominant 2 to 3 litre), DNF.

Kuppens, codriver of the same Hertzberger in 1934 (Bentley), Hertzberger seems to have driven the entire race of 10 Hours.

#5 Marc Ceulemans

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 20:57

I've resuscitated an old thead about Guillaume. I've also edited the date which was not 1930 but 1931.

#6 Marc Ceulemans

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 22:31

I also add H. J. Davis to the list. He entered and drove a big Touring US car Hudson 4168 cc at Spa in 1934, 10 Hour Race.

Probably first name Hans, had to be codriver of Hertzberger (again) at Le Mans in 1935 but was replaced by "Raph". Also seen in the Rallye de Monte Carlo in 1938 (Wolseley).

#7 Henk

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Posted 01 August 2008 - 09:53

Emile Arnold Kiderlen
Born 2 May 1897 in Hilversum
Died 6 June 1950 in The Hague

In the 1920s Emile Kiderlen occasionally participated in Dutch motorsports events. In 1923 he drove an Amilcar, in 1928 a Studebaker.

Kiderlen was a car salesman. Around 1928 he may have been employed by the ‘Internationale Automobiel Maatschappij NV’. Later he worked for ‘NV H. Englebert’s Automobielhandel’, another large automobile import firm in The Hague.


I have no relevant information about Kuppens, Greeve and Guillot/Guillaume.

Davis should read Davids. Hans Davids, well-known from sports car racing in the 1950s (Spa, Zandvoort).

In the early 1930s Davids started motorcycling racing with a 350cc Velocette. Later he competed in the ‘Dumonceau-Cup Run’, driving Terraplane in 1934, Hudson in 1935 (photo) and 1936.
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#8 Marc Ceulemans

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Posted 01 August 2008 - 10:45

:clap: :clap: :clap: Henk, Thank you very much !!!


Do you know where* I could find entry list, dates, results and reports of those Dumonceau Cup ? I only have some little info about that event organised by Dutch and located in Belgium for the most part.

The where* means: in which book(s), magazine(s), newspaper(s), library (not far from Belgium)?

I'm more interested by the car section than the motorcycling's one.

#9 Henk

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Posted 01 August 2008 - 18:55

Marc - For a start, you may search for ‘Dumonceau bekerrit’ at:
http://kranten.kb.nl...ml/frameset.htm

Initially the Dumonceau-Cup Run was a motorbike event. Small cars (up to 1100cc) could participate since 1925. Later there were two classes, <1500cc and >1500cc.

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Posted 02 August 2008 - 00:47

Great start... I've found some interesting infos about Hertzberger, Vintges, Kiderlen, Davids, etc... That's exactely what I want.

For the 3rd time, thank you...