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#1 Pedro 917

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Posted 27 July 2008 - 21:19

Can someone tell me where and when this picture was taken? I found it in a Dutch magazine but it didn't have a caption nor clarification. It looks like Reims to me. Clark wears some kind of a helicopter pilot helmet, Jim Endruweit is also in the picture. Would love to see the film!

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#2 Gary C

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Posted 27 July 2008 - 22:16

wow! What an interesting photo! Certainly Jim Endurweit at the rear of the car. Very small camera too. Wonder if it was a stills camera as opposed to a movie?

#3 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 July 2008 - 22:33

Is it really Jim Clark?

I would have thought that's at Silverstone, or even Aintree, but I'm not sufficiently familiar with trackside stuff in those places to be sure at all.

#4 Gary C

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Posted 27 July 2008 - 22:42

Are your eyes going, Ray?? lol. Looks a foreign place to me, the trackside ads look German (maybe).

#5 lil'chris

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Posted 27 July 2008 - 22:54

The advertisement to the right appears to say moteurs which indicates to me that this is in France.

The stand doesn't look right for Rouen , I suppose it could be Le Mans Bugatti though I think Carlos is right and it is Reims

#6 Ray Bell

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 05:37

Huh! I didn't look at the signs...

Obviously in France, again I'm not sufficiently familiar with grandstands to be able to guess. Those roof supports, however, don't look like what I remember of the Le Mans stands.

#7 Roger Clark

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 07:01

It must be an early photo, see the two-lens goggles. Also the wind screen is too high for the later cars. He didn't race a Lotus at Le Mans in those days. My guess would be Pau in '62. The car look to have the slightly more bulky bodywork of the 24.

#8 Derek Pitt

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 08:34

To pick up on Ray's comment..

Is that definitely Jim Clark?..he looks a lil uncomfortable in the car, why the odd helmet and frankly, he looks a lil too "pretty' in a film/televison way..

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#9 Jean L

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 08:47

It is Pau.

#10 Vitesse2

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 08:56

Originally posted by Roger Clark
It must be an early photo, see the two-lens goggles. Also the wind screen is too high for the later cars. He didn't race a Lotus at Le Mans in those days. My guess would be Pau in '62. The car look to have the slightly more bulky bodywork of the 24.

Possibly even earlier, Roger? A while ago, Dennis Hockenbury posted this beautiful Jesse Alexander picture from Spa 1962.

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Note the different goggles. I've also found a picture from Monaco 1962, where the goggles match the Alexander picture and the overalls match Carlos' picture.

#11 Ray Bell

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 09:16

The helmet is a special one with the camera mounted on it...

#12 SWB

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 10:57

I also think it is a Lotus 24. The mirrors are of the type used on the 21 and 24, but there seems to be the higher engine cover of the 24 visible just behind Clarks head. So, could it be Rouen '62 and Clark did some laps in a camera equiped 24 before racing the 25?

#13 Pedro 917

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 11:26

It is Pau indeed. I checked the racingline/racingcircuits website for pictures of Pau ( check here and go to Pau, present circuit, avenue Gaston Lacoste location # 28) and found one where you can see the roof supports. They are identical. Must be 1962 then.

#14 raceannouncer2003

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 06:24

Maybe you can see the film...if I am right. But first, who are these people, and when and where was this photo taken?

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#15 Sharman

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 10:50

It's definitely Pau. My backside recognises those bloody hard concrete steps which pass as seats.

#16 Jerome

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 11:04

Originally posted by Sharman
It's definitely Pau. My backside recognises those bloody hard concrete steps which pass as seats.


Case closed!

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#17 Terry Walker

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 11:49

The lettering on the helmet suggests a french TV company: Canal something, can't make it out.

#18 Gary C

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 11:55

that would be Canal+ then.

#19 GeoffE

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 13:36

Originally posted by Gary C
that would be Canal+ then.


Not until 1984.

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#20 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 14:09

Originally posted by raceannouncer2003
Maybe you can see the film...if I am right. But first, who are these people, and when and where was this photo taken?

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At left in front of lady: Bruce McLaren. Monaco. 1964?

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 15:22

Originally posted by raceannouncer2003
Maybe you can see the film...if I am right. But first, who are these people, and when and where was this photo taken?

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Surely a young Jabby Crombac (the man wearing thick-framed glasses).

#22 LOTI

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 16:54

I have been reliably informed that it is gentleman called William Campbell in The Young Racers 1963. If that is wrong don't blame me..... but if it is right I shall take all the credit [for knowing people who know things]
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#23 Gerr

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 19:41

Originally posted by raceannouncer2003
Maybe you can see the film...if I am right. But first, who are these people, and when and where was this photo taken?

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Left to right...

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0894949/

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000339/

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0132930/

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000338/

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0026035/

1962

Monte Carlo, Monaco

#24 Ray Bell

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 20:01

Originally posted by Gerr


Left to right...

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0894949/

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000339/

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0132930/

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000338/

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0026035/

1962

Monte Carlo, Monaco


Common element being The Young Racers, released in 1963.

#25 raceannouncer2003

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 05:43

Originally posted by Gerr


Left to right...

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0894949/

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000339/

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0132930/

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000338/

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0026035/

1962

Monte Carlo, Monaco


Mr. Measures, I presume. Gerry identified the folks in this photo for Tom Johnston and me a while back. I just thought it would be fun to see if anyone else could identify them. I think Loti came closest. Here is a front view of Marie Versini, this time with Jim Clark, Monaco, 1962:

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So could Pedro 917's photo from the Dutch magazine have something to do with the filming of "The Young Racers", which was filmed in 1962 and released in 1963?

Photos by Ted-Langton-Adams, copyright Eric Faulks.

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 04:52

I watched "The Young Racers" tonight. Lots of good 1962 footage...Monaco, Spa, Rouen, Reims, Aintree. But I think every track looks amazingly like Brands Hatch in the staged sequences. And some Formula Junior footage in there too, including a few shots from Laguna Seca and Riverside! And squealing tires (tyres).

Vince H.

Edited by raceannouncer2003, 13 May 2009 - 04:58.


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Posted 13 May 2009 - 05:25

The lettering on the helmet suggests a french TV company: Canal something, can't make it out.


It says " Journal Télévisé" which means "TV news" .....the movie was probably shot for the then state-controlled "ORTF" for the 8 o'clock news .....

#28 Bruno

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 06:27

http://i21.photobuck...bile/Image2.jpg

is not Mc Laren, not Clark, and not Cromback.

driver mayby Tonny Magg/Copper or Trevor Taylor/Lotus

#29 Chezrome

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 07:56

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This photo has a 'pieta'-like quality...



#30 Gary C

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 08:47

and it's probably public domain, too.

#31 Chezrome

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 09:10

and it's probably public domain, too.



Have we met?  ;)

#32 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 09:11

......and its neither Tony Maggs or Trevor Taylor................

#33 Doug Nye

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 13:04

And the Team mechanic in the background - part-obscured by Jim Endruweit - is Ted Woodley...

DCN

Edited by Doug Nye, 13 May 2009 - 13:05.


#34 raceannouncer2003

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 18:26

Can't seem to figure out how to "quote" Bruno in post 28, but please refer to post 23 for identities of actors, etc, from the movie "The Young Racers"...though having watched the movie, I'm not sure about the ladies in the photos. Marie Versini was Campbell's wife in the movie and I don't think she looks like the lady in the photos. And Luana Anders was blonde.

Vince H.

#35 Gerr

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 19:55

Can't seem to figure out how to "quote" Bruno in post 28, but please refer to post 23 for identities of actors, etc, from the movie "The Young Racers"...though having watched the movie, I'm not sure about the ladies in the photos. Marie Versini was Campbell's wife in the movie and I don't think she looks like the lady in the photos. And Luana Anders was blonde.

Vince H.


You're quite right Vince. I was mislead by what has turned out to be incorrect info in Corman's autobigraphy.

The girl with Clark is Beatrice Altariba, not Marie Versini.
The group photo is L to R Altariba, Corman, Campbell, Coppola and Versini.