1977 (non-WC) Grosser Preis von Deustchland - did it really happen?
#1
Posted 27 July 2008 - 23:36
There's a two and a half page report on it in Motor Sport, September 1977 yet the whole thing almost seems like a joke.
Highlights include:
- John Watson being so wary of the Nordschleife, he couldn't bring himself to go off and do a full lap, hence drove repeatedly round the Betonschleife before finally getting out of the car and calling it quits;
- The race starting under the fall of a flag as the lights system wasn't reliable enough to use;
- H-J. Stuck taking the jump at Brunchen so fast, he cleared the armco barrier and landed in the middle of a camp site, resulting in the car draped in tents and sleeping bags and then finding an unbroken bottle of beer and drinking it while apologising to the owners of the tents;
- Nilsson blowing his engine next to a coach full of Swedes that Wisell had brought over from Stockholm, with Nilsson climbing the fence and sitting back and enjoying himself while reminiscing about the good old days of Jo Bonnier, Eric Carlsson and Ronnie Peterson;
- People realising after the race that no one had seen Vittorio Brambilla since Friday afternoon and upon touring round the circuit on the Monday after, found his car at the bottom of a ravine with a note saying that "Brambles" had gone home as he hadn't found a way of retrieving the car.
Seems all too good to be true, although it wasn't exactly printed on April Fool's Day...One thing to note is that there are no pictures, simply pictures from pre-war Grand Prix like "A German won his own Grand Prix" (referring to Mass, yet depicting Caracciola) and "An Englishman set fastest lap" (referring to Hunt setting fastest lap, yet depicting Richard Seaman in a Mercedes).
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#2
Posted 28 July 2008 - 00:43
Could not have been "Grosser Preis von Deustchland" as that was held at Hockenheim.
And I can not find any mention of it in 1977, not sure if was done in another year.
#3
Posted 28 July 2008 - 00:54
#4
Posted 28 July 2008 - 06:22
Originally posted by Smudger
Sounds like a DSJ/WB satire to me, especially given that the German GP moved to Hockenheim on safety grounds, and Denis was never very PC in that area.
DSJ...
The actual GP at Hockenheim got short shrift and Jenks wrote this fictional report that told more truths than had been seen in racing for many a year.
#5
Posted 28 July 2008 - 09:58
Originally posted by Smudger
Sounds like a DSJ/WB satire to me, especially given that the German GP moved to Hockenheim on safety grounds, and Denis was never very PC in that area.
Yes, I was thinking that...
The report gives the grid and the finishing positions, but no times or fastest laps.
#6
Posted 28 July 2008 - 11:15
#7
Posted 28 July 2008 - 12:42
Originally posted by Paul Taylor
- John Watson being so wary of the Nordschleife, he couldn't bring himself to go off and do a full lap, hence drove repeatedly round the Betonschleife before finally getting out of the car and calling it quits;
- The race starting under the fall of a flag as the lights system wasn't reliable enough to use;
- H-J. Stuck taking the jump at Brunchen so fast, he cleared the armco barrier and landed in the middle of a camp side, resulting in the car draped in tents and sleeping bags and then finding an unbroken bottle of beer and drinking it while apologising to the owners of the tents;
- Nilsson blowing his engine next to a coach full of Swedes that Wisell had brought over from Stockholm, with Nilsson climbing the fence and sitting back and enjoying himself while reminiscing about the good old days of Jo Bonnier, Eric Carlsson and Ronnie Peterson;
- People realising after the race that no one had seen Vittorio Brambilla since Friday afternoon and upon touring round the circuit on the Monday after, found his car at the bottom of a ravine with a note saying that "Brambles" had gone home as he hadn't found a way of retrieving the car.
#8
Posted 28 July 2008 - 13:41
#9
Posted 28 July 2008 - 15:24
1977 (non-WC) Grosser Preis von Deustchland - did it really happen?
No.
#10
Posted 28 July 2008 - 19:52
Originally posted by Paul Taylor
.....People realising after the race that no one had seen Vittorio Brambilla since Friday afternoon and upon touring round the circuit on the Monday after, found his car at the bottom of a ravine with a note saying that "Brambles" had gone home as he hadn't found a way of retrieving the car.....
Wasn't he in one of the five Marches that had been cobbled together as 'starting money specials' (remember, this was as much about the way GP racing was funded and other political issues as anything)?
And as I recall, it was 'the deepest ravine' and the note said something like he didn't believe they'd be able to repair the car.
#11
Posted 28 July 2008 - 20:58
Originally posted by Paul Taylor
...yet the whole thing almost seems like a joke. .
Yes, strange that isn't it....
DCN
#12
Posted 29 July 2008 - 01:13
#13
Posted 31 July 2008 - 11:23
#14
Posted 31 July 2008 - 11:27
Even when he was making it up he was better than the others! It's a great piece to read.
#15
Posted 31 July 2008 - 11:31
The 'Brambilla lost in undergrowth' has resonance with a Bill Boddy story of the half-crown laps at Brooklands, where no-one checked that the 'civilians' lapping in their street cars ever came back.
So perhaps DSJ and WB collaborated on this one.
They should have got Peter Ustinov to commentate, after all he did so well with the Grand Prix of Gibraltar.
(Sorry, DCN - missed your earlier Ustinov post!)
#17
Posted 31 July 2008 - 17:57
I don't think it would have looked quite that good there...
#18
Posted 01 August 2008 - 01:59
I take confusing me with DCN as one heck of a compliment! Thank you!!Originally posted by Smudger
(Sorry, DCN - missed your earlier Ustinov post!)
Tom
#19
Posted 01 August 2008 - 07:52
I found the latter, it was never specified as Hungarian but eastern European, allegedly a non-championship race put together by Bernie to keep everyone occupied before the late-ish start to the '84 season, Alboreto won by a tenth from Tambay with Watson in third replacing an injured Prost. You can tell it's fiction as de Cesaris retired through loss of fuel rather than a crash. The entry list was also given with the number system that was never in fact used (Ferrari 3-4).Originally posted by ensign14
There used to be these odd things, a Bermuda GP in Autosport in about 1971 and I have memories of a Hungarian GP 1984 won by Alboreto in Motor Sport, I need to check.
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#20
Posted 01 August 2008 - 08:01
So far as I recall the punch line was that the winner crossed the line backwards, upside-down and on fire. I think it was set in mythical eastern Europe with drivers' names to match ("Turnthe Petrolov", etc). There were photographs. . . .