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#801 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 06:12

A good job he is...

Brian Pugh isn't it a position to say much these days.

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#802 chequer57

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 11:50

New photo for those into Vic Vees in the 80's (Rob Bennett in the Kingfischer)

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was Rob pushed ? did he run out of talent ? or is he taking the McCombie line around a the corner ;)

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#803 Wirra

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 11:58

I just met a chap who has recently purchased a Formula Libre car. He had a photo and it looks for all the world like an early Mako except it has a 1500 front suspension. He said it has a supercharger and the log book states it ran at Warwick Farm in formula libre in '68 & '69. IIRC it was red with a yellow nose and stripe. He couldn't recall the names of the previous owners. Any information or suggestions. Thanks.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 12:37

I just met a chap who has recently purchased a Formula Libre car. He had a photo and it looks for all the world like an early Mako except it has a 1500 front suspension. He said it has a supercharger and the log book states it ran at Warwick Farm in formula libre in '68 & '69. IIRC it was red with a yellow nose and stripe. He couldn't recall the names of the previous owners. Any information or suggestions. Thanks.


Possibly B (I think it was Brian) Milton? Entered for the 7 Sept and 7 Dec 1969 WF meetings in a red Formula Libre Mako VW of 1593 cc capacity. IIRC I have also seen the odd photo of this car at Oran park in RCNs of the period.

#805 chequer57

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 13:32

I just met a chap who has recently purchased a Formula Libre car. He had a photo and it looks for all the world like an early Mako except it has a 1500 front suspension. He said it has a supercharger and the log book states it ran at Warwick Farm in formula libre in '68 & '69. IIRC it was red with a yellow nose and stripe. He couldn't recall the names of the previous owners. Any information or suggestions. Thanks.

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#806 Wirra

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 23:02

Thanks Ian and Glenn. Being so early in the piece I guess there weren't too many 'converted' Vees. In the photo I was shown it has a later 'H' beam but everything else seems to match. Is there any information that it was blown at that time and/or might the 1593cc be the equivalent of a blown 1200/1300cc? I should imagine a blown 1600 would have been a handful.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 23:24

Thanks Ian and Glenn. Being so early in the piece I guess there weren't too many 'converted' Vees. In the photo I was shown it has a later 'H' beam but everything else seems to match. Is there any information that it was blown at that time and/or might the 1593cc be the equivalent of a blown 1200/1300cc? I should imagine a blown 1600 would have been a handful.

Hi Peter,

Reading through the program listings I have it appears to have been raced betrween 68 and 71 with Brian S Milton. I also have a copy of the log book application, it says it was supercharged 1593cc in the application.

Brian drove a car designated a M.V.W.1 s/c Special from 65-67 (before the Mako.)

Wonder if the Mako was converted back to Formula Vee at some stage as in 71 he was only being listed as a reserve at Warwick Farm.

One can only hope ;)

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Ian

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#808 Wirra

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 00:30

...Brian drove a car designated a M.V.W.1 s/c Special from 65-67 (before the Mako.)...

I suspect that stands for Milton Volkswagen

http://www.autopics....ibiznez?id=4592

...Wonder if the Mako was converted back to Formula Vee at some stage...One can only hope...

Probably not as it's now in original form... I wonder where it has been for forty years?

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 21:17

I was speaking to Graham Henshaw who runs regularity in mini about this recently. Graham raced the ex Keith Angel Mako during the mid 70's and I've been trying to find what happened to his car for him. I'm not sure given the dates (him racing mid 70's) how he knew of it but was wondering what happen to the Milton car and refered to it as a supercharged 1600. Brian is a cousin of Frank Kleinig. I've asked him before about the car but I'm dynoing tonight and I'll ask again to see what other stuff I can find out.
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#810 chequer57

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 22:33

I had a look as some Oran Park proofs from 71 of the Brian Milton Mako, it had a ball joint beam on it in 1971.


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Posted 17 May 2012 - 06:17

I remember Frank telling me that the Makos were designed to take the bigger twin port motors so that they could be upgraded if ever the class went that way.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 11:31

The MVW rolling at CatalinaPark in 1967.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 12:56

That accident looks pretty big, looks logical to take the running gear to the Mako chassis and I must say the Mako makes for a prettier car.


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Posted 22 May 2012 - 03:16

Noting the offset driving position I wonder if the MVW just used a VW floor pan.

Jacar - Any information from Frank re the Mako? The new owner is my TAFE instructor and we have a class tonight - I'm sure he would appreciate some background rather than an apple.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 05:06

Noting the offset driving position I wonder if the MVW just used a VW floor pan.

Jacar - Any information from Frank re the Mako? The new owner is my TAFE instructor and we have a class tonight - I'm sure he would appreciate some background rather than an apple.

Peter I mentioned it last Thursday and he said that he hadn't remembered to ask. Said he only sees Brian at family funerals and Vees hadn't come up as a topic. Will forward the page again to trigger his memory.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 05:16

New photo for those into Vic Vees in the 80's (Rob Bennett in the Kingfischer)

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was Rob pushed ? did he run out of talent ? or is he taking the McCombie line around a the corner ;)

old turn 1, now turn 3 Winton. Think it's Max Cobb in 35, Paul Fordham in 11, possibly John Blanchard second last car and the ex Doug Angus Nimbus last car.... I think, maybe 84/85?

#817 Jacer

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 23:56

Peter I mentioned it last Thursday and he said that he hadn't remembered to ask. Said he only sees Brian at family funerals and Vees hadn't come up as a topic. Will forward the page again to trigger his memory.
DC

OK, just spoke to Frank. He contacted Brian yesterday and yes the MVW was a VW floorpan based Libre. The photo is it's last horah. The Mako was log booked as a 'Mako Libre' circa 69. Brian sold it to a guy in Cherrybrook and then it went to Dennis Strickland of Pymble. The last Brian knew of the car was about 12 years ago with Dennis. Any further info Peter would be good as Brian would also like to fill in the missing bits from the last decade.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 00:12

OK, just spoke to Frank. He contacted Brian yesterday and yes the MVW was a VW floorpan based Libre. The photo is it's last horah. The Mako was log booked as a 'Mako Libre' circa 69. Brian sold it to a guy in Cherrybrook and then it went to Dennis Strickland of Pymble. The last Brian knew of the car was about 12 years ago with Dennis. Any further info Peter would be good as Brian would also like to fill in the missing bits from the last decade.
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Sorry, me again. Brian was trying to contact Frank as I was talking to him. The next owner was Warwick Hutlow from dural not Cherrybrook we think in 1977. The Mako was built in Sept 1968, was at Bathurst in 1970 but broke the blower belt on the start line. Frank also said that he still has the logbook for the MVW.

#819 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 13:00

Originally posted by Jacer
.....Frank also said that he still has the logbook for the MVW.


Ugly and sinful as it was, there's no doubt that kind of information could start a stampede or bidding war!

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 04:02

A couple of photo's from Oran Park in the 1980's.

Not sure of the car, but the drivers name on the side of the car is Mauri Fordham.

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The (apparently missing) Concept Vee, driven by S Lavermicocca.

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#821 Jacer

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 10:31

A couple of photo's from Oran Park in the 1980's.

Not sure of the car, but the drivers name on the side of the car is Mauri Fordham.

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The (apparently missing) Concept Vee, driven by S Lavermicocca.

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Mauri Fordham's last Phantom Vee, Sergio in the ex McCombie Concept #1 now owned by Phil Lewis. Probably around 85/86.


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Posted 26 May 2012 - 08:02

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Sergio in the ex McCombie Concept #1 now owned by Phil Lewis. Probably around 85/86.

Having driven that Concept a lot in the 90's in Hill Climbs she's was fun car to drive. btw the missing of the 3 surviving GS82's is the last of the 4 built. The above is chassis No.1

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 14:51

Here's one for Peter,

These are photos of Reg's CMS he bought about 2 years ago that came from someones aircraft workshop in NSW ... again history of the car is a bit fuzzy.

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It had a left side gear change by the looks of things.

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#824 Glenn Moulds

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:14

Something of interest for early Vee enthusiasts, that was sent to me recently, is this link http://www.britishpa...ry/motor racing. Whilst it is primarily about the opening Amaroo Park meeting on 9 April 1967 there is some very good footage of the Vees competing that day. For anyone interested the grid order, which can be seen more clearly in the screenshots, appears to be -

1. Terry Quartly - Elfin 67
2. Bob Muir - Rennmax 44
3. Neil Revell - Revell 63
4. Aub Revell - Revell 62
5. Jack Bono - Bono 66
6. Reg Pratley - Nota 75
7. Ken Goodwin - Rennmax 43
8. Bill Newton - Newton 11
9. John Grant - Standfast 14
10. Damon Beck - Rennmax 48
11. Allan Martin - Nota 1
Also entered but DNS David Seldon - Porter 69

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 22:58

Something of interest for early Vee enthusiasts, that was sent to me recently, is this link http://www.britishpa...ry/motor racing. Whilst it is primarily about the opening Amaroo Park meeting on 9 April 1967 there is some very good footage of the Vees competing that day. For anyone interested the grid order, which can be seen more clearly in the screenshots, appears to be -

1. Terry Quartly - Elfin 67
2. Bob Muir - Rennmax 44
3. Neil Revell - Revell 63
4. Aub Revell - Revell 62
5. Jack Bono - Bono 66
6. Reg Pratley - Nota 75
7. Ken Goodwin - Rennmax 43
8. Bill Newton - Newton 11
9. John Grant - Standfast 14
10. Damon Beck - Rennmax 48
11. Allan Martin - Nota 1
Also entered but DNS David Seldon - Porter 69



Hi Glenn :wave:


I wonder if that's the one and only time a Porter turned up at a race meeting, only to be sent away by scrutineers rolling about laughing :rotfl:

Seldo (posts here sometimes) will know. We've all heard horror stories, but nobody has pictures and all the evidence has (hopefully) long since vanished.




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Posted 07 June 2012 - 23:19

Hi Glenn :wave:


I wonder if that's the one and only time a Porter turned up at a race meeting, only to be sent away by scrutineers rolling about laughing :rotfl:

Seldo (posts here sometimes) will know. We've all heard horror stories, but nobody has pictures and all the evidence has (hopefully) long since vanished.


Bruce Moxon

More footage but only in the pits at Warwick Farm

http://www.britishpa...d-prix-thrills/

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67 Terry Quartly Elfin Vee

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54 R Pratley Nota Vee ?
82 A Nicol Cee Bee Vee
63 G Tribe Tee Vee

Edited by chequer57, 07 June 2012 - 23:33.


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Posted 24 June 2012 - 07:21

Taking of CMS Vees, this one is up on Gumtree in Tassie.

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The red thing in the background is one of the Trowbridge Vees.

Regards,

Ian

#828 chequer57

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 03:41

Old Vees in their day were beautiful too.

Bob Young in one of Jack Bono's Elfin 500's

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 10:50

Some Vees in 1970.......

First at Catalina Park on 24th January 1970....some rather poor quality

http://www.youtube.c...p;v=NAdHkICjUpI

Then at Oran Park practice on 26th June 1970

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#830 GMACKIE

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 21:38

Snapped me again, Lynton.........first car in the Oran Park clip [red Elfin with black stripe]. :up:

I was at Catalina, also, but couldn't make out the Elfin.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 07:44

Great Catalina footage. I am pretty sure I was at that Catalina meeting, up on the bank above Dunlop corner disguised as a seven year old child!

#832 GMACKIE

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:42

At Oran Park,
No. 1.....Berni Haehnle, yellow Rennmax
No. 3.....Peter Finlay, yellow Nota
No, 14...Terry O'Neill, blue Rennmax - having a little spin

#833 lyntonh

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 11:43

I've been scouting around for something else & turned this up.....

Warwick Farm November 1970
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 22:10

That's Gerry Murphy in the Mako, #7.

#835 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 22:38

Not a bad shot, either...

In fact, a good one. You can even see speed from a Vee in it!

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 02:22

Hi Glenn :wave:


I wonder if that's the one and only time a Porter turned up at a race meeting, only to be sent away by scrutineers rolling about laughing :rotfl:

Seldo (posts here sometimes) will know. We've all heard horror stories, but nobody has pictures and all the evidence has (hopefully) long since vanished.




Bruce Moxon

Sorry - I've been away for for 3months and missed this post.
I had driven the car for a couple of laps in private practise earlier in the week and politely declined the drive....I felt I was too young to die. It was the worst car I've ever driven and quite possibly the worst ever made..
The alarm bells began ringing when I saw Porter grinding the back off the cam lobes by hand on a bench-grinder (to get more lift...)

Edited by seldo, 21 August 2012 - 02:25.


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Posted 21 August 2012 - 02:32

Not a bad shot, either...

In fact, a good one. You can even see speed from a Vee in it!

That is a good shot. :up: Not too sure about "speed from a Vee", though......next thing you'll reckon Murph is in a power slide. :lol:


#838 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:05

I was actually alluding to the slow shutter speed...

That's why the car is in focus and the safety fence is blurred.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 01:13

That's Gerry Murphy in the Mako, #7.

Very nice guy Gerry Murphy and a very competitive racer. I learned a lot about FVee "racecraft" from him in some of the Warwick Farm club meetings on the short circuit.
My memory has been shown on this forum to be not the best but I hope I recall correctly that at one meeting on the short circuit Vees were combined with mark sports cars (Triumph Spitfires) .
The Vee lap times were quicker than the Spifires so Gerry and I were on the front row of the grid but two of them got the jump on us at the start and out gunned us in the run to the first turn.
It was entertaining watching Gerry try to get us past the Spitfires which were quicker than us between corners but also negated our corner advantage by being very "wide" and wild.

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#840 chequer57

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 01:57

To fire up sone conversation see below a few photos that Paul Hambleton (Powloo) sent me of Vees in the early 80's taking on Calder
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21. David Turnbull - Elfin NG

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13. Maurie Fordham - Phantom 10. Vince Raymond - Spectre

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 09:21

Another one of Maurie,s cars on the front cover.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 11:16

Sandown Tasman meeting 1971
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#843 chequer57

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 12:06

At a guess Enno Busselmann [Tripps], Keith Poole [Elfin] and Bob Prendergast [Malmark]

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 04:01

At a guess Enno Busselmann [Tripps], Keith Poole [Elfin] and Bob Prendergast [Malmark]

I was looking at the Pete Geoghegan photos this morning and noticed the photographer standing almost on the second dogleg apex thinking how crazy that was. The flaggies in this photo above also earned every cent that they were'nt getting paid. That famous channel 0 footage of the Vee Nationals from Phillip Island in/around '76 had flaggies standing on the inside of Honda as it is called now on the wet grass no more than about a meter off the track. How many more people drivers and flaggies included were'nt killed in those days is a wonder.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 07:21

I well remember flagging at that spot with the VADC in around the mid 60,s during a special race for the "star drivers" of the day, in Ford Cortina 240,s, and as they came up the back straight, 4 or 5 abreast ,we had to jump off the edge of the flag point, and down towards the horse rail, scary stuff indeed.

This race was stopped by the clerk of course, by parking a car across the track as the drivers just kept on going after the checker flag was shown,with some of the cars stopping, out on the track, out of fuel. Try doing that today. Cheers Simmo

#846 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:11

A Renault 12 got a couple of flaggies (or fire marshals?) at Phillip Island one day...

They made the fatal mistake of trying to run away from the car in the direction it was travelling, rather than run to one side. This was on the run down to MG Corner.

Fortunately they weren't badly hurt... which really surprised me at the time.

#847 lyntonh

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 10:31

Second vee race Sandown Tasman Meeting 1971
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 12:16

More vees at Warwick Farm 6th December 1969

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 22:46

More vees at Warwick Farm 6th December 1969

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Is that Bernie Haehnle in the Formcar?

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A pair of Standfasts - I think John Grant (who built them) and Gary Campbell

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Gary Campbell, John Grant (?) and Damon Beck


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Posted 04 October 2012 - 23:49

Photo 1.....B.Hahnle, Hahn
2.....K.Angel, CMS; G Campbell, Standfast
3.....T.Fatouros, Fatouros; A.Revell?; G.Mackie, Elfin :wave:
4.....Gary, Keith, P.Corner?
5.....Trev. again, B.Hickson, Nota
6.....?, G.Murphey, Mako
8.....Enno, ?
The eyes have given up on the rest. :rolleyes:

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