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#1451 275 GTB-4

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Posted 16 February 2015 - 05:11

Geez Mackie...go and have a lie down, your arms must be so tired after all the waving! :clap:  :lol:



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#1452 GMACKIE

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Posted 16 February 2015 - 06:27

Hope you're right Mick, and it's only the 'waving' that's causing the tired arms. :rolleyes:



#1453 GMACKIE

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Posted 16 February 2015 - 07:19

Had a bit of fun at sign-on, when I handed my CAMS licence over. :lol:

 

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They did accept my current AASA licence, though.



#1454 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 16 February 2015 - 07:24

Had a bit of fun at sign-on, when I handed my CAMS licence over. :lol:

 

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They did accept my current AASA licence, though.

If your photo had been current they would have passed you!



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Posted 16 February 2015 - 07:33

So nothing has changed then.  :) (not meaning Bernie or Greg of course - just a general comment...)


So, can I ask what the South Australians are doing to celebrate FVee? or is it only a recent development over that way?

#1456 Ray Bell

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Posted 16 February 2015 - 09:32

Well, they do know about Vees there...

The Elfin Vee made its racing debut at Mallala at the December meeting of 1965. It was driven by Bob Mills. The Easter meeting saw Eric Spehr also running an Elfin Vee.

Mills became a race winner at the June meeting, but it wasn't a Vee race. He is noted as being the 'works' Elfin Vee driver that meeting.

The first Vees-only race was mooted for the December 28 meeting of 1966, but insufficient entries meant they ran with Division 3 Formula Libre cars. Finally at the Easter (March 26) meeting of 1967 there was a Vees-only race, it was won by Chris Milton in an Elfin.

Of course, Elfins were built in SA, so they knew a bit about Vees from the time Garrie built the first one in the latter half of 1965. Other marques of Vees have sprung from SA in the intervening years.



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Posted 16 February 2015 - 10:22

So, can I ask what the South Australians are doing to celebrate FVee? or is it only a recent development over that way?

I first e mailed the FVANSW in Feb last year stating they needed to do something. Over on that site that begins with F, which I won't name, I commented on the fact that this was a NSW celebration honouring our past and challenged other states to do the same. The FVAA board actually couldn't understand why we were bothering so much. They thought that we were trying to get back at Tassie ( where the nationals are at this year).  We basically wanted to get people from the past back in touch with each other and let them know that it's all going along well. There were 3 I think new competitors at this meeting meaning were still were moving forward. Sometimes unless you pay a certain V8 organisation about 50k to get a spot on their race meeting people thing you don't exist anymore! we'll see what happens from that 'F' word.

 To be honest it s--ts me that an organisation with 50 year history doesn't bother to use any of it at all. In the states they milk that sort of stuff for all it's worth. I'd be surprised that anyone in CAMS knows anything about Vees being 50. If something was on elsewhere in another state  I'd probably travel depending on our state and national schedule.


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Posted 16 February 2015 - 10:37

That's right Bob, nothing has changed......the 'Vee' people are still a great bunch. :wave:

 

Col Merz and James Nagel loaned me enough 'bits' to get my Vee going again. :wave:

 

Dylan Thomas helped me get the car on the trailer....wouldn't drive after I gave back all the borrowed bits. :wave:

Greg, It's one of the things that seems to be unique to NSW. Most of us talk and realise were little fish in a big pond. One of the most common comments from people when they first get involved, especially Karters is that we all seem to talk to each other. We borrow bits, swap info, race hard and then have a beer with each other afterwards. Dylan has done a lot of Targa stuff and won Australian Manufacturing champ races in the Evo but still enjoys the Vee stuff the most. Adam Proctor has won the last 4 Australian Sports Racer Championships in a row but as soon as he knew about the 50th he was on the hunt for not only a drive but a laugh afterwards with his old mates. Shame it's not all like that


Edited by Jacer, 16 February 2015 - 10:38.


#1459 Ray Bell

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Posted 16 February 2015 - 13:00

I remember times like that, too...

In Clubmans. But I saw a lot of it in Vees.

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#1460 Glenn Moulds

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Posted 23 February 2015 - 10:39

Ray, I think that Garrie Cooper may well have been the first to race the Elfin Vee, with Bob Mills being the second. While living in Adelaide I was able to use the wonderful library at the Sporting Car Club of SA for research. Although Bob Mills was the nominated driver for both races on 28 Dec 1965 the official results for Event 1 (Div 3 Scratch race) have Garrie Cooper third in the Elfin Vee while Bob Mills is listed as seventh in Event 8, the Racing Car Handicap. Comparing individual flying lap times suggests Cooper was driving in Event 1 - 1:41.7, 1:41.1, 1:41.2 and 1:41.6 for Cooper and 1:45.5, 1:44.6, 1:45.1, 1:42.8, 1:43.6, 1:44.5 and 1:43.7 for Mills. I realise that lap times can vary due to passing slower cars but I think they are telling nonetheless. It appears the RCN race report of the time may have muddied things a little as it states that Mills drove to third in the Div 3 race (as per the entry list) but the results in Australian Motor Sports & Automobiles has Cooper third and the Elfin book states that Cooper and Mills were the first to race the Vee. A feature by Darrell Penhale about the new Elfin in the same Feb 66 issue of RCN as the race report also suggests that Cooper drove the car in at least one race.



#1461 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 February 2015 - 11:24

Interesting, Glenn...

In that same issue of AMS, which I hadn't previously checked, there's a photo of Jack Hunnam at Calder demonstrating the Elfin Vee just a fortnight after Mallala.

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Posted 23 February 2015 - 11:35

Any photos from the 50th?



#1463 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 February 2015 - 11:59

Originally posted by Glenn Moulds
.....A feature by Darrell Penhale about the new Elfin in the same Feb 66 issue of RCN as the race report also suggests that Cooper drove the car in at least one race.


It doesn't just suggest that Cooper drove... it says that "Garrie was quicker through the bends, the Vee loses on acceleration and top speed."

However, the photo caption is wrong. While it says that the driver is Garrie, that picture is of Bob Mills in the car.

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Posted 25 February 2015 - 20:39



Any photos from the 50th?

Here's one - but there must be more, shirley ?

 

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#1465 Wirra

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Posted 25 February 2015 - 23:10

Tight entry there Greg. you'll struggle for revs on exit. Still, Bernie and #84 being side by side means they won't be any faster... Arrrr, the strategy of it all.

 

If Shirley doesn't have any photos what about Laverne and the rest of you. My wife wants some evidence I was actually there that weekend!


Edited by Wirra, 26 February 2015 - 05:07.


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Posted 26 February 2015 - 02:36

I don't know Laverne but Shirley you can see photographer Leanne in the fluro jacket.....she has lots of evidence..



#1467 Ray Bell

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Posted 26 February 2015 - 03:13

Originally posted by Wirra
.....My wife wants some evident I was actually there that weekend!


Didn't you go home smelling of strong liquor?

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Posted 26 February 2015 - 04:39

Phil Sim was there, and shirley most likeley has a heap of photos.

 

Letting everyone know I was still alive. :clap:  Eventually got it to run on 2 cylinders, and didn't need a tow back to the pits.

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Posted 26 February 2015 - 05:06



Didn't you go home smelling of strong liquor?

 

I didn't, that's the problem! There was so much talking and swapping of lies about the past that I think I sat on a pint the whole night. 

 

No going home via 'The Vicar of Wakefield' or 'The Leppington Inn' like the old days.

 

(edit) Found this on the CXC Racing site.

 

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Edited by Wirra, 26 February 2015 - 05:24.


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Posted 26 February 2015 - 06:43

Now there's a bit of nostalgia...the Leppington 'Inn Of Theives Trees'.  The place to stop after Oran Park, to allow the traffic to get out of the way so you could get home at a 'reasonable speed'  ;) .



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Posted 26 February 2015 - 10:49

I didn't, that's the problem! There was so much talking and swapping of lies about the past that I think I sat on a pint the whole night. 

 

No going home via 'The Vicar of Wakefield' or 'The Leppington Inn' like the old days.

 

(edit) Found this on the CXC Racing site.

 

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Wave the Green!

Actually somewhere on here is a similar pic at Oran? and I think I made a similar comment. What was that? 25 or 30 years?


Edited by Lee Nicolle, 26 February 2015 - 11:00.


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Posted 03 March 2015 - 20:52

It was the 40th at Oran Park and there where 80 + cars on the grid



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Posted 16 March 2015 - 05:36

I'm trying to track down some more detailed photo's of Max Lubke's Rennmax between 1978-1980. Currently I've got it painted to Ian Simpson's (post `85) colour, and I've only have 2 colour photo's of Lubke's livery. Any pre `85 photo's and race info would be great.

 

 

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#1474 275 GTB-4

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 21:34

Steve, try posting on the FVee facebook pages as well...Cheers, Mick



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Posted 23 April 2015 - 23:24

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It is with great sadness that I tell you that Clive Adams, a real pioneer of motor sport, a mentor to many, and just a really great man has sadly passed away in Taree, just 2 months before his 100th Birthday.
Known for building several significant race cars (along with Jack Pryor) Prads were always more that competitive. To see Clive work a piece of aluminium sheet through a roller to form complex shapes and curves, then hand beat to a fine finish is a privilege I will remember forever. RIP



#1476 Ray Bell

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Posted 24 April 2015 - 00:24

Originally posted by Greg McCombie
It is with great sadness that I tell you that Clive Adams, a real pioneer of motor sport, a mentor to many, and just a really great man has sadly passed away in Taree, just 2 months before his 100th Birthday.
Known for building several significant race cars (along with Jack Pryor) Prads were always more than competitive. To see Clive work a piece of aluminium sheet through a roller to form complex shapes and curves, then hand beat to a fine finish is a privilege I will remember forever. RIP


Greg, could you please re-post on the thread about Clive...

You'll find it here.




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Posted 06 May 2015 - 01:17

Hope it's okay to post this here, one of the best Formula Vee races in American history… and we were there!

 

The 1980 SCCA Runoffs National Championship: 

 

 

Enjoy!


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#1478 GMACKIE

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Posted 06 May 2015 - 02:32

Enjoy!...sure did. :up:

 

Thanks for posting that, Eric.



#1479 E1pix

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Posted 06 May 2015 - 02:45

Awesome Greg, Thanks!

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Posted 06 May 2015 - 09:45

 

Des Piggott, on Apr 8 2009, 09:51, said:

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Hi all, I've just completed a two year restoration of a 1970 Elfin Type500 Formula Vee and am about to apply for a Certificate of Description for Historic Log Book. I have been able to collect a large amount of history but have no photos of the car from 1970 to late 1971. In 1970 it was driven by Keith Poole, Ian Hill and Tom Jones. In 1971 it was driven by Ian Hill and Leo Anthony. The car was blue in colour and ran at times as number 41 and number 12. The photos I have from 1971 are of the car upside done at Calder when driven by Leo Anthony. Perhaps someone out there may have a photo or two that would help with it's history. 

Cheers, 
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G'day Des, sorry that I don't have a shot of your type 500, but this one can give you some "period cues" - my best estimation is that this one is the prototype raced by Garrie Cooper and Bob Mills, having debuted on Boxing Day 1965 at Mallala, it was owned from new to this day by Bill Roberts. Elfin Works employee, Ron Lambert is seen behind the wheel out the front of Conmurra Avenue.

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Edited by SJ Lambert, 04 April 2011 - 07:51.

 

 

Hi Glenn & Ray - apropos of your discussion about the first driver to get his bum in a type 500 - I've moved this shot of Dad in the prototype that Garrie & Bob ran over from the Elfin Formula Vee thread as may be of interest!!

 

I suspect that Bob may have gone on to run the car as it's main driver while Garrie concentrated his efforts on improving the Monos. Dad didn't drive either of them competitively, but he and Bob were heavily involved in developing the types with Garrie.