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#16551 gmwzorro

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 21:26

Eugene McManus? :wave:



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No not Eugene rider is English

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#16552 kerrowmoar

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 22:50

Darren Dixon
Mondello on Francis Neills RC30
1989?

#16553 gmwzorro

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Posted 14 March 2010 - 00:05

:clap: :clap: Correct on all counts
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Darren Dixon
Mondello on Francis Neills RC30
1989?



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Posted 14 March 2010 - 10:35

Excellent, thanks a lot :up: Exactly the kind of feedback I was hoping for !

Considering the lack of comprehensive information on the web about the Marlboro Series ( or the Swann Series, for that matter ) maybe we should set up a separate thread on this forum to collect all of the information and pictures available from the knowledgeable people here .

I still have a slight limp on cold days due to being t-boned when my X Pat Hennan Rickman TR750 cooked its clutch, Ruapuna circa 1975. I know I should know but fill me in where this beast that broke my ankle came from..over to you GD66

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Posted 14 March 2010 - 10:44

Rickman ? Sorry Stu, drawing a blank on that one. Can't say I've ever seen a TR750 in a Metisse frame. (Wanders away muttering, and scratching head furiously...) :wave:

Edit : the only possibility I can think of is that Pat brought one over from the US. As you can see in that pic of him over the Gracefield rail lines, he's wearing his Ocelot Racing leathers. Maybe he rode a Rickman Suzuki for that sponsor, Sid Damron. But I don't recall him turning out on one in the series itself.

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#16556 mba21

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Posted 14 March 2010 - 10:59

Good morning all,on this beautiful sunny English day :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:


Pssssst I might even put me Jandals on :rotfl: :rotfl:

Edited by mba21, 14 March 2010 - 11:02.


#16557 Herr Wankel

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Posted 14 March 2010 - 11:32

Rickman ? Sorry Stu, drawing a blank on that one. Can't say I've ever seen a TR750 in a Metisse frame. (Wanders away muttering, and scratching head furiously...) :wave:

Edit : the only possibility I can think of is that Pat brought one over from the US. As you can see in that pic of him over the Gracefield rail lines, he's wearing his Ocelot Racing leathers. Maybe he rode a Rickman Suzuki for that sponsor, Sid Damron. But I don't recall him turning out on one in the series itself.

A few Seeley framed ones about,but a Rickman would be as rare as the proverbial rocking horse cack!!
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Posted 14 March 2010 - 12:00

Rickman ? Sorry Stu, drawing a blank on that one. Can't say I've ever seen a TR750 in a Metisse frame. (Wanders away muttering, and scratching head furiously...) :wave:

Edit : the only possibility I can think of is that Pat brought one over from the US. As you can see in that pic of him over the Gracefield rail lines, he's wearing his Ocelot Racing leathers. Maybe he rode a Rickman Suzuki for that sponsor, Sid Damron. But I don't recall him turning out on one in the series itself.

Jon Allnat prepared it, nickl frame. IIRC it was Pats until he got the Factory X USA TR750..this thing had a wet clutch hence the problems

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Posted 14 March 2010 - 16:00

On the right is "JCO" , Jean-Claude Olivier, CEO of Sonauto and a genuinely passionate man who kept faith in the riders he had chosen, even when they suffered long bad patches - Patrick Pons and Christian being the best examples . He recently retired by the way, and his retirement party was apparently a very emotional moment with basically all the living riders he had helped, a little or a lot, in attendance.


Sorry for being a bit late (my Sunday afternoon delight is catching up with the posts of the week :rolleyes: ), I think JCO was taking part as a competitor in the Paris-Dakar quite a couple of times. IIRC, he even tried his luck with a converted FZ750, which must have been quite a handful when stranded

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#16560 mba21

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Posted 14 March 2010 - 20:21

You lot gone to sleep ? :yawnface: :yawnface:

#16561 peterd

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Posted 14 March 2010 - 20:34

JCO was one tough rider, Philippe. Certainly an example of the boss leading by example.
He rode the 1986 Paris-Dakar on the insane four cylinder YZ750. The next year he put his "sensible" hat on and rode the YZE920. Japan stepped in with a full factory YZE750 Tenere 0W93 in 1988, followed in successive years by the YZE750 Tenere 0W94, YZE750T SUPER Tenere 0WB8 and finally in 1991 YZE750T SUPER Tenere 0WC5.
JCO was still riding long-distance rally events into the mid-1990s. There's a YouTube clip of his collection of road and off-road bikes.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWD4tM-OzzQ

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Posted 15 March 2010 - 00:23

I still have a slight limp on cold days due to being t-boned when my X Pat Hennan Rickman TR750 cooked its clutch, Ruapuna circa 1975. I know I should know but fill me in where this beast that broke my ankle came from..over to you GD66



Rickman ? Sorry Stu, drawing a blank on that one. Can't say I've ever seen a TR750 in a Metisse frame. (Wanders away muttering, and scratching head furiously...) :wave:

Edit : the only possibility I can think of is that Pat brought one over from the US. As you can see in that pic of him over the Gracefield rail lines, he's wearing his Ocelot Racing leathers. Maybe he rode a Rickman Suzuki for that sponsor, Sid Damron. But I don't recall him turning out on one in the series itself.


Hear Hear ! It looks like Stu's memory is not as rusted as he would like us to believe.....check out the first two paragraphs of the Junior Race report on the page below ( part of the late Pat Evans's archives I got from his brother Sean )

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Posted 15 March 2010 - 00:28

....and three pics of the beast in question at the same race ( Ontario 1973 ) also from the Evans archives

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#16564 philippe7

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Posted 15 March 2010 - 00:56

To add to the debate :

For his first US Junior season in 1973, Pat Hennen rode this Ron Grant Rickman 750 Suzuki ( not a TR then , but Gt 750 based - hence the wet clutch Stu mentions ? )

For his second Junior season in 1974 , he rode a stock TZ 700 Yamaha from Ocelot Engineering ( and , I think, won the championship )

For his first Expert season in 1975, he was drafted in the official Suzuki USA team, starting at Daytona .


So the questions remain :

did he bring the Rickman 750 for the 73/74 Marlboro series, but ended up riding the ex-Geoff Perry TR750 pictured at Gracefield ? And sold the bike there, since he knew he had a brand new TZ700 on order in the States ?

Or is the picture on the ex-Perry machine rather from the 74-75 winter, hence the Ocelot leathers, a deal having been struck for him to ride this bike rather than his Yamaha since he had just signed his contract with Suzuki US ?

Or did he have a later model Suzuki US TR, as Stu remembers, for this 74-75 series ? ( and the 500 RG the following year )

Debate open :cool:

edit : just read in an online AMA magazine on Google Books that Pat won the 75/76 series .... on a TR 750 ! and not on the 500 RG as I thought... the RG might have been the following year , 76/77 ? Oh well....

Edited by philippe7, 15 March 2010 - 06:44.


#16565 Coupe Kawasaki

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Posted 15 March 2010 - 05:52

This may be of interest Phillippe :wave: I know they did some kart race stuff over here using Suzuki GT750 motors :clap: :clap:




http://sports.racer....gt750/page1.htm

The is a mention of the Kohler too Poul, it was a flat four two stroke used in the DSR car race class! I knew it was somewhere :rolleyes:

David

Edited by Coupe Kawasaki, 15 March 2010 - 05:54.


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Posted 15 March 2010 - 09:30

To add to the debate :

For his first US Junior season in 1973, Pat Hennen rode this Ron Grant Rickman 750 Suzuki ( not a TR then , but Gt 750 based - hence the wet clutch Stu mentions ? )

For his second Junior season in 1974 , he rode a stock TZ 700 Yamaha from Ocelot Engineering ( and , I think, won the championship )

For his first Expert season in 1975, he was drafted in the official Suzuki USA team, starting at Daytona .


So the questions remain :

did he bring the Rickman 750 for the 73/74 Marlboro series, but ended up riding the ex-Geoff Perry TR750 pictured at Gracefield ? And sold the bike there, since he knew he had a brand new TZ700 on order in the States ?

Or is the picture on the ex-Perry machine rather from the 74-75 winter, hence the Ocelot leathers, a deal having been struck for him to ride this bike rather than his Yamaha since he had just signed his contract with Suzuki US ?

Or did he have a later model Suzuki US TR, as Stu remembers, for this 74-75 series ? ( and the 500 RG the following year )

Debate open :cool:

edit : just read in an online AMA magazine on Google Books that Pat won the 75/76 series .... on a TR 750 ! and not on the 500 RG as I thought... the RG might have been the following year , 76/77 ? Oh well....

Gidday Stu,
That was a Rickman Metisse frame and had been built up by Ron and Pat for Pat to ride in his second Marlboro series and I think Tom bought it when they went back to the US.
I think it originally had wierd wheel sizes (19"?) because the chassis was too low.
I think Phil Winter bought it from Tom. This is my reply from Mike Sinclair which will be correct as hes far smarter tha me!!!



#16567 stuavant

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Posted 15 March 2010 - 09:34

Gidday Stu,
That was a Rickman Metisse frame and had been built up by Ron and Pat for Pat to ride in his second Marlboro series and I think Tom bought it when they went back to the US.
I think it originally had wierd wheel sizes (19"?) because the chassis was too low.
I think Phil Winter bought it from Tom. This is my reply from Mike Sinclair which will be correct as hes far smarter tha me!!!

Pat definately had the RG5oo and also the Factory TR750 in the 76/77 Marlboro Series. I should know, he used to lecture me about being a wanker and destroyed my sisters Xmas by putting tomato sauce ( Ketchup) on he lamb roast. I think he may be over to NZ for the 60th Anni Wanganui Race in 2012 so we will go over and catch up as well.

#16568 mba21

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Posted 15 March 2010 - 10:13

Good morning all :wave: :wave:

#16569 pushstart

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Posted 15 March 2010 - 15:05

Another old paddock shot from me. This again is Brands Hatch, no prizes for recognising the lad in leathers. But look at the difference between the BSA transporter and next doors Ducati transport.
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Posted 15 March 2010 - 17:46

Old JC,and after seeing him beat Ago a couple of times at Mallory,I really did believe he could walk on water!
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Posted 15 March 2010 - 18:17

Look at the size of that rear sprocket!!

#16572 picblanc

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Posted 15 March 2010 - 18:51

That must be from the Hutchinson (reverse Brands) meeting?

#16573 philippe7

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Posted 15 March 2010 - 19:00

Wasn't this Ducati "Transporter" the bus with a large window on the side that was parading the Imola-winning bike of Paul Smart around the circuits ? I'm sure there was a picture of it on here a while ago

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 00:51

Hmm yes come to think of it, I believe it was. And yes this was the Hutchinson 100, one of my favourite meetings untill they started worrying about the lack of run off at the top of paddock bend.
Here's Mr Smart on the Ducati at the said meeting.
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 07:26

Mr. Smart is loading that front real hard in the picture, looks almost flat.

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 09:09

Mr. Smart is loading that front real hard in the picture, looks almost flat.


Yeah, he's having a bit of a go there aye. Is it the corner from the bottom straight that runs up towards Druids? Good shot Pushstart....got any more?

#16577 pushstart

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 10:28

Yes that's the corner alright, much changed nowadays, not the nice smooth curve we used to know. And yes I've got plenty of pics from this era, I'll post them up gradually, still got quite a few to scan.

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 12:30

Yes that's the corner alright, much changed nowadays, not the nice smooth curve we used to know. And yes I've got plenty of pics from this era, I'll post them up gradually, still got quite a few to scan.

Thanks. Yeah, seemingly changed for the sake of change, since there was nothing to hit on the outside of the corner.

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 19:17

Guy's , I know i've been away , but a few days ago , on March 10 , it was 7 years since Barry Sheene passed away :cry:
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 19:23

Another one

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#16581 Coupe Kawasaki

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 20:14

Thanks for those Phil :wave: I've been watching quite a few old videos of stuff with Bazza and the crowds he drew were really something. He just had what the non-biking public wanted too, my mum and grannie thought he was a "smashin' lad" . Still on his own in the popularity stakes in my opinion and sadly missed. I was pleased he raced classics too, just proving that he loved racing outside the razzamatazz. RIP Bazza :) It's difficult not to smile when thinking of him!




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Posted 16 March 2010 - 20:42

Thanks for those Phil :wave: I've been watching quite a few old videos of stuff with Bazza and the crowds he drew were really something. He just had what the non-biking public wanted too, my mum and grannie thought he was a "smashin' lad" . Still on his own in the popularity stakes in my opinion and sadly missed. I was pleased he raced classics too, just proving that he loved racing outside the razzamatazz. RIP Bazza :) It's difficult not to smile when thinking of him!




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And another of bazza he had charisma and sure was the tops :up: :up:

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 20:46

Great photo! :up:

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 20:51

Great photo! :up:



Taken with an old 35mm Pratika cam i used to own,god the shutter on it would wake the dead :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 20:53

Taken with an old 35mm Pratika cam i used to own,god the shutter on it would wake the dead :rolleyes: :rolleyes:



Still got mine, not used anymore, but dont want to part with it! :well:

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 21:26

Great photo MBA, interesting to note there's a mag wheel on the front and a spoked on the back. Is that 73 or 74?




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Posted 16 March 2010 - 21:31

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 21:50

Great photo MBA, interesting to note there's a mag wheel on the front and a spoked on the back. Is that 73 or 74?




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Posted 16 March 2010 - 22:16

Yeh, my absolute hero. Here he is at the Hutchinson 100, exiting druids for a blast down to paddock bend.
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 23:50

There's some great photos here lads, the one on the 750 looks like a cold and miserable day and Bon Scott has a camera too :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
I wonder how things would have turned out had his year with Yamaha been successful?




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Posted 16 March 2010 - 23:57

Interesting and rather rare pic of Sheenie on a 250 Yam. I once read an article where Barry stated that he hated the TZ Yams, particularly the 350. He claimed he just couldn´t get on with them. I think he rode one in America one year without any notable success? And then there was his brief flirt with Yamaha after finishing runner up in the 1970 125 championship on the Suzuki, which was over almost before it began.
Seems strange that, as I think they were fairly simple bikes to ride. But, I suspect Barry was more of a big bike rider, in that he obviously felt more comfortable on the heavier and more powerful multi cylinder 500´s and 750´s.
Brilliant pilot nevertheless. :up:

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 06:03

Taken with an old 35mm Pratika cam i used to own,god the shutter on it would wake the dead :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Yes, that shutter button unusually placed at an angle on the front panel of the camera ( rather than on the top ) which I found ideal to have a good grab on the camera, specially when equipped with a heavy 200ml lens .

I loved my Practika LTL, cheap and strong - and one of the first SLR cameras with a vertical metallic shutter when the japs still had the horizontal twin cloth ones . And much, much better glassware that its communist comrade the Zenit-E . There were two things that the east-germans were very good at , two-stroke engines and camera lenses :up:


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Posted 17 March 2010 - 08:26

Yes, that shutter button unusually placed at an angle on the front panel of the camera ( rather than on the top ) which I found ideal to have a good grab on the camera, specially when equipped with a heavy 200ml lens .

I loved my Practika LTL, cheap and strong - and one of the first SLR cameras with a vertical metallic shutter when the japs still had the horizontal twin cloth ones . And much, much better glassware that its communist comrade the Zenit-E . There were two things that the east-germans were very good at , two-stroke engines and camera lenses :up:


Agreed, mine came with a 50mm Carl Zeis Jena lens, Tops!! Had a Jap 200mm telephoto for close up though, not quite so good quality.
In those days we (speccys/photographers) were much closer to track sides, would struggle to get the same shots as I got 30 years a go, from the "same" places today, even with 200mm lens, digital has made good close ups much easier now. :up:

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 08:37

Love this pic, great memories. Just brought colour back a little.
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Posted 17 March 2010 - 08:48

Agreed, mine came with a 50mm Carl Zeis Jena lens, Tops!! Had a Jap 200mm telephoto for close up though, not quite so good quality.
In those days we (speccys/photographers) were much closer to track sides, would struggle to get the same shots as I got 30 years a go, from the "same" places today, even with 200mm lens, digital has made good close ups much easier now. :up:




Have we all gone photographic today :rolleyes: ( fiddles with Brownie 127 ) mmmmmmm nice little box cam :rotfl:
I will stick wiv my Fuji S3500 for now :blush:

Edited by mba21, 17 March 2010 - 08:49.


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Posted 17 March 2010 - 09:32

Taken with an old 35mm Pratika cam i used to own,god the shutter on it would wake the dead :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


I recall in the mid-sixties, MCI mag ran a photo comp with a Praktica as the prize, and it was won by a bearded gent called Fred Blades. Everyone went ho-hum, lucky sod, so what etc, but as a result he sent in a series of cracking b&w pics to the mag over the next few years, particularly from the eastern bloc grands prix. Good lad !


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Posted 17 March 2010 - 10:18

Hello, and thanks for that bit of re-touching there picblanc, I don't think the picture had faded as it's always been in a sleeved album. I think it always looked like that....... photo labs were a bit of a lottery then. By the way, these old pics were taken with a Zenit E, and an equally cheap 135mm telephoto lens. I seem to remember the lens cost £18 brand new!!

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 19:53

Bazzer's white leathers were supplied by Rivetts of Leytonstone

they had a large poster of him wearing them in the shop....

What happened to Gay? Barry the sales assistant,he was super helpful if you had trouble with the zippers in the changing cubicle :kiss:


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Posted 17 March 2010 - 20:38

Bazzer's white leathers were supplied by Rivetts of Leytonstone

they had a large poster of him wearing them in the shop....

What happened to Gay? Barry the sales assistant,he was super helpful if you had trouble with the zippers in the changing cubicle :kiss:


Talking from experience are we ??? :eek:

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 20:42

Talking from experience are we ??? :eek:



Good evening :wave: :wave: