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#21751 picblanc

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 18:19

no


Thank you. :p

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 18:23

Love this photo, it really captures those days when you had good access to the 'Stars' without the pitlane walkabout/squash that is the thing these days, love the look on the young lads face & the older lady & her handbag......everyone's favorite was Barry....well nearly everyone's.
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 18:51

Thank you. :p



you're welcome :rolleyes: :yawnface:

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 18:52

Cliff Carr on the left, Martin Sharpe in white shirt arms folded by #25, but I think that the two guys in centre of photo the one on the left is Adrian Godden & possibly with John Hackett its Hackett's bike just visible in the gap of Cliff Carrs van door.
Brands Hatch 'King of Brands' meeting 1976, Adrian was 5th in the first 350 heat.
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 19:56

I have a funny feeling that my TZ is also in the shot Graham! Is it 1977 by any chance?
I first noticed how the seat (by Cliff Carr's elbow) has been moved back to suit a tall rider (just like me!) and then realised mine also had the same Shell sticker! Looks like my Transit too!

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 21:04

Could be yours Barry? that is def Hacketts TZ & I am sure thats Adie with guy in check shirt? Its 1976 though. In which case you had the Maxton still?

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 21:20

Check this out! Ron Haslam @ Silverstone 1976, look at his boot, his boot has no toes left in it & his toes/sock are showing!!?
I have left it big so you can get a better look.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 23:15

I thought it might have been taken the same day you took this? (K. of B. 1977). It was the re-positioned seat that first caught my eye, but as you say, I had the Maxton in '76.
Wierd :confused: !!

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 08:10

Time travel? or IT is your bike & Dave Potter is pitched up there? I have another pic of him & Martin Sharpe chatting taken either just before this photo or just after? so makes sense it could be the Potter TZ Barry. :wave:

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 08:45

Time travel? or IT is your bike & Dave Potter is pitched up there? I have another pic of him & Martin Sharpe chatting taken either just before this photo or just after? so makes sense it could be the Potter TZ Barry. :wave:



That would be good right up to point that he is of course sponsored by BP!! :blush:
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 10:01

You know how you have your own little rider ability rating system, one that's often part based on all sorts of preconceptions and prejudices (yes you do, and it is), well, Cliff Carr was one such pilot who ranked pretty lowly on mine. I think I had it in my head that as he hadn't really shone in the UK or Europe before landing all sorts of sought after rides in the States, he wasn't really deserving of these opportunities. Anyway, come the early seventies, Cliff was among a whole load of internationals trooping down to the Anitipodes for one of those periodic series, Pan Pacific was it, can't remember. I can though remember that he brought the Arlington Kawasaki triple with him and one round of the series was at Sydney’s Oran Park. The little fella – he couldn’t have been above 5 5’ –looked positively tiny aboard such a big lump of motorbike (I wonder if his small statue aboard big bikes added to my assessment that he wasn’t that good?). The racing that day is more than a bit of a blur for me, but I do recall Cliff slinging the big Kawaski around on the strange circuit and looking every bit the top road racer. Then, the tripple having developed some gremlins, he fronted up to a later race aboard Ron Toombs’ TR/TZ 350. On this bike too – one he wouldn’t have clapped eyes on before and which from memory was fitted with a extra long swinging arm – he was impressively quick.

So, thought for the day on this lovely sunny Monday morning in London: ………

I read a while back that Cliff had died; the obit suggested that his later life wasn’t too happy. Does anyone out there know anymore about him?
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 10:58

Definitely not Potter's 350 (as you say, in '76 he had BP on the seat) - and I moved the seat back myself on that bike when I aquired it in '77.
Must just be coincidence then, but it kept me entertained for a few hours :lol: !
(I have the '77 K.o.B. programme, but there's no entry for John Hackett, Martin Sharpe or Cliff Carr - although he would have probably been there as the Bel Ray rep anyway, and the only number 25 is listed as Stuart Jones on a TZ7007!) :well: !
Anyway, I enjoyed looking through some of the old programmes - it brings so much back :up: !





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Posted 26 March 2012 - 17:33

Hi Guys
Regarding Cliff Carr he was at the Stafford show with Stan Woods about 5 or 6 years ago but could have been longer. On the Suzuki owners club stand, they certainly enjoyed themselves. Meeting fans etc and Cliff was coming out with some good stories.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 21:29

Definitely not Potter's 350 (as you say, in '76 he had BP on the seat) - and I moved the seat back myself on that bike when I aquired it in '77.
Must just be coincidence then, but it kept me entertained for a few hours :lol: !
(I have the '77 K.o.B. programme, but there's no entry for John Hackett, Martin Sharpe or Cliff Carr - although he would have probably been there as the Bel Ray rep anyway, and the only number 25 is listed as Stuart Jones on a TZ7007!) :well: !
Anyway, I enjoyed looking through some of the old programmes - it brings so much back :up: !


My pics are from 1976 Barry :confused:

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 21:40

WWW? one easy the other a well known name (still)
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Nothing on these two then? Bernard Fau (again!) & John Hackett #52 Brands 1976.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 08:31

Kork Ballington 750 Kawasaki @ Brands PBI 1974, Roger Aldridge (Bigrog) told me that was him & his brother Peter? looking it over, I have re done this @ a better resolution, this ones for you Roger, miss our chats. :(
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 08:38

Another one of our forum members (Ronaldo) Peter Weale Yamaha @ Brands King of Brands meeting 1976, bike let him down in race & I have him down as a retirement.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 13:28

Ok Graham - you've convinced me - it's 1976 and Hackett's bike!
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 15:41

Another one of our forum members (Ronaldo) Peter Weale Yamaha @ Brands King of Brands meeting 1976, bike let him down in race & I have him down as a retirement.
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Shell Stars on the fairing too, must have had some wins in the season.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 16:12

Ok Graham - you've convinced me - it's 1976 and Hackett's bike!
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Yes Barry,(took a while! :rolleyes: ) but not the one with its bum showing, whose is that?...answers on a postcard.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 18:07

:clap: Correct Philippe Marc Fontan it is, Dutch guy is ? Kuiper I forget his first name for now.
Oh & its Brands 1978 or 79?


Eddy Kuipers.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 19:04

Kork Ballington 750 Kawasaki @ Brands PBI 1974, Roger Aldridge (Bigrog) told me that was him & his brother Peter? looking it over, I have re done this @ a better resolution, this ones for you Roger, miss our chats. :(
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IIRC, Kork bought Eroll Cowan´s H1R 3 pot 500 Kawasaki at the end of the 1972 season. He campaigned the bike in the unlimited catagory of the SA Championship, which he won after a hotely disputed season with Les Van Breda on a 500 RG Suzuki.
Evidently, Kork was never happy with the handeling of the H1R and he subsequently bought a Seeley frame, (the one featured in the photo) for the 500 motor, a move which proved to be a stroke of genius. In his first outing on the revised 500, he won the Daily News rider to Europe race held on the long lamented Roy Hesketh circuit, which secured him a ticket and a bit of money to contest races in Europe. The rest is history.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 19:13

Eddy Kuipers.


Thats him, well done Ton. :up:

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 20:18

Pat Mahoney TZ700 Yamaha 1974.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 22:05

IIRC, Kork bought Eroll Cowan´s H1R 3 pot 500 Kawasaki at the end of the 1972 season. He campaigned the bike in the unlimited catagory of the SA Championship, which he won after a hotely disputed season with Les Van Breda on a 500 RG Suzuki.
Evidently, Kork was never happy with the handeling of the H1R and he subsequently bought a Seeley frame, (the one featured in the photo) for the 500 motor, a move which proved to be a stroke of genius. In his first outing on the revised 500, he won the Daily News rider to Europe race held on the long lamented Roy Hesketh circuit, which secured him a ticket and a bit of money to contest races in Europe. The rest is history.




good story , thanks for that , :up: , all fresh to me :wave:

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 07:41

Another one of our forum members (Ronaldo) Peter Weale Yamaha @ Brands King of Brands meeting 1976, bike let him down in race & I have him down as a retirement.
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This is some race transporter eh? Purchased for £50 (or offer), must have been for the '72 season and sign written using sticky back plastic and available decals.

Note also the white expansion chambers, easily worth an extra 2mph.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 19:05

Philippe, do you know who was the Sonauto (not Patrick) rider @ Clermont Ferrand, in 1974 season in the film Le Cheval En Fer, he also appears after the race in a red jumper in the French riders get together/ evening meal @ same circuit?
He does not seem to feature again in the season after the French race? :wave:

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 23:30

Hi Graham

The other Sonauto rider in 1974 was Christian Bourgeois - a rather tall and big fellow, with silver grey leathers - balding dark hair and sideburns ? I would need to take a look at the DVD to make sure he's the guy "with the red jumper" you mention - he had a bad fall at Imola which was fairly early in the season ( just after France and the boycotted Germany ? ) so that would explain he isn't seen much in the movie - although I seem to remember he appears in a later season paddock sequence ( Anderstorp maybe ? ) with a bandaged ankle resting on a camping chair ?

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 07:29

Hi Graham

The other Sonauto rider in 1974 was Christian Bourgeois - a rather tall and big fellow, with silver grey leathers - balding dark hair and sideburns ? I would need to take a look at the DVD to make sure he's the guy "with the red jumper" you mention - he had a bad fall at Imola which was fairly early in the season ( just after France and the boycotted Germany ? ) so that would explain he isn't seen much in the movie - although I seem to remember he appears in a later season paddock sequence ( Anderstorp maybe ? ) with a bandaged ankle resting on a camping chair ?


Hi Philippe :wave: thank you, no this rider had the same leathers as Patrick Pons & he had fair hair, I will see if the wife can capture a frame from the film onto pc?

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 08:42

OK just watched it again, he was not on a Sonauto bike :blush: his name is Philippe Gerard (spelling?) it was his first GP & he appears @ 23mins 20secs, & I think was 10th?
Have you heard of him? :wave:

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 21:19

Oh yes, Philippe Gérard . He had raced in the national 750 production championship which was the breeding ground for many french riders at the time ( all aboard 750 H2's...) and done well enough to gain his international licence for 1974 . Bought a 350 TZ, qualified for the 500cc race at the French Grand Prix ( for his first go on a pure race bike ) , finished 10th ( hence his joy captured in the movie ) ..... and ran out of funds, hung up the helmet and was never seen again. A rare case of statistics I guess, a one-race only international career crowned by one World Championship point.....

If you listen carefully and collect your reminescences of french language Graham, you will hear Patrick Pons mentioning him later in the movie, saying that he was one of those very talented riders who had to give up due to lack of monies.... only he mistakenly calls him "Gérard Philippe" and not Philippe Gérard... the former being of course a famous french actor from the 50's....

Here he is pictured at that French GP, photo by my friend Pierre Gabriele.

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There is a thread of more than 10 pages dedicated to that 1974 Grand Prix at Clermont-Ferrand , full of sensational amateur pics , on the french pitlane-biz forum ( link below). Well worth a look :up:

http://www.pit-lane....es-charade-1974



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Posted 02 April 2012 - 21:36

Superb shot of Philippe, what a shame he had to stop.
My French is a bit rusty Philippe (last used in 2006!!) but watching that film it surprisingly comes back quite well especially if I use headphones in to the TV! :up:
Great info on him though thanks for that Philippe, & yes seen that forum & photos before, they are superb!! :up:

Re Pons calling him Gerard Philippe, Bernard Fau signed his autograph for me as Fau Bernard, is that not how the French do things surname first?

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 12:04

Oh yes, Philippe Gérard . He had raced in the national 750 production championship which was the breeding ground for many french riders at the time ( all aboard 750 H2's...) and done well enough to gain his international licence for 1974 . Bought a 350 TZ, qualified for the 500cc race at the French Grand Prix ( for his first go on a pure race bike ) , finished 10th ( hence his joy captured in the movie ) ..... and ran out of funds, hung up the helmet and was never seen again. A rare case of statistics I guess, a one-race only international career crowned by one World Championship point.....

Not sure he would have scored a point Philippe as, IIRC, the points system in 1974 was, 9, 6, 4, 3, 2, 1, so only the first 6 places gained points. Great effort anyhow, and one worthy of mention. :up:

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 14:39

Not sure he would have scored a point Philippe as, IIRC, the points system in 1974 was, 9, 6, 4, 3, 2, 1, so only the first 6 places gained points. Great effort anyhow, and one worthy of mention. :up:

Sakkie, he definitely scored a point, you can check it in the record books! The points system in '74 was actually 15 12 10 8 6 5 4 3 2 1.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 15:00

Kork Ballington 750 Kawasaki @ Brands PBI 1974, Roger Aldridge (Bigrog) told me that was him & his brother Peter? looking it over, I have re done this @ a better resolution, this ones for you Roger, miss our chats. :(
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Thanks for your kind words Graham - it's much appreciated.
All the best
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 16:19

Sakkie, he definitely scored a point, you can check it in the record books! The points system in '74 was actually 15 12 10 8 6 5 4 3 2 1.

It´s the old memory you know. :rolleyes: :blush: :rotfl:

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 21:21

A Picasa album of almost 100 pics from the 1974 Belgian GP, by a french amateur photographer....not great "professional" shots, but well worth a look , for the documentary value and to see what Spa looked like from the spectators enclosure...

https://picasaweb.go...y-3-LRdh1_4WEg#

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 04:07

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OK, not asking who's the guy on the right with #90, he is fairly obvious I think and his presence in the pic will help to pinpoint the year with no hesitation whatsoever.....

No, I'm asking about the TZ rider with #24 .

Any ideas ?



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Posted 04 April 2012 - 05:55

Kanaya?

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 08:23

Paulo Tordi?

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 08:25

Great shots from Spa too!! being an amateur photographer I can appreciate how difficult it was to get good shots & with film you did not now how well or not you had done till you picked them up from the film processors!! :eek:

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 17:00

Well, it looks like a very standard cantalever 250 TZ, so the year could be 1976 (the first year the cantalever model appeared) and the same year Bonera partnering Walter Villa on the HD´s ( I think that´s Bonera and not Villa on the 90 BTW). Too late for Kanaya (although the helmet looks like his), But the leathers look like a Finnish rider. Hivaronan?
Could all be bollox of course. :rotfl:

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 17:07

Paulo Tordi?

If the shot was taken at Spa, then Paulo Tordi was dead by then, as he and Buccerini were killed in the Italian GP at Mugelo which was held before Spa in 1976, IIRC.

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 20:08

The picture is Le Mans where Bonera was indeed #90, lets have another guess at Raymond Roche?

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 20:23

Though it could still be Tordi? But I think its Roche........... :D

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 21:09

The picture is Le Mans where Bonera was indeed #90, lets have another guess at Raymond Roche?



Well done Graham, it is indeed Raymond Roche and ( as Sakkie had correctly guessed too ) it is 76 and it is Bonera on the HD ... and yes, it is at the French GP at le Mans - and I'm sure the picture was taken at the top of the big hump that followed the long and fast ( and armco-lined....) right hander after the start-finish straight . Back then it was basically flat out from the hairpin before the finish all to way to the next hairpin, where the "short" Bugatti circuit left the long 24 hours car track. Of course it's all been ruined by silly chicanes now....

Anyway, Raymond had just turned 19 and gained his international licence, and managed to get an entry for his first Grand Prix . At the time, he was working as a mechanic in Jean Ruggia's ( Jean-Philippe's father ) Yamaha dealership in Toulon, who had supplied him with this new TZ . And Raymond promptly set the second fastest practice time behind reigning World Champion Walter Villa ! I remember how thrilled I was when I arrived to this race and found out he was on the first row ... he battled for the lead with Villa and the (new) Morbidellis of Pileri and Bianchi for a couple of laps before he dropped it while trying too hard ..... but it was an auspicious start to what was going to develop as a long and distinguished career.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 07:47

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Graeme Geddes / Jack Walters owned Bimota TZ on display in Barry smiths Yamaha shop around 1979

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 07:55

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Barry Smiths 250 Armstrong @ around 1979

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 08:43

Thanks Graeme. What's Barry up to nowadays?

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 23:16

Barry is alive and well and runs a business called Sport Art, selling motor sport collectables.