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#21901 andyb1963

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 16:21

It looks like its a MK7 RG , that would make it 1983 ?

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Getting warmer John


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#21902 tdijam

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 21:05

Getting warmer John

Sorry, MK7 RG was introduced in 1982 not 83.

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#21903 greg1953

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 21:11

So could that be my bike back in the day, or did mine end up with Fran Ridewood's rider (photos seem more elusive)?

My chassis number is pretty memorable (rg500-11115), but I believe it had replacement cases when John Woodley was racing it, so the engine number would not match.

I know that mine was on display in an Isle of man casino/amusement arcade or similar for many years, until the venue closed in the mid 2000s, but would love to know more.

Eddie Aitken of (http://eddieaitkinmotorcycles.co.uk/) bought an RG in the I.o.M.that was on display in a pub or club etc. and had it restored by, I think, David Hailwood,he sold it quite recently.
Give him a shout, it might be your old one.
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 21:40

Eddie Aitken of (http://eddieaitkinmotorcycles.co.uk/) bought an RG in the I.o.M.that was on display in a pub or club etc. and had it restored by, I think, David Hailwood,he sold it quite recently.
Give him a shout, it might be your old one.
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Hi Greg,

Yes, that's mine,

I bought it off Eddie, who told me about this bit of its history, so I'll have to give him a call to find out exactly where it was on display.

The restoration standard certainly appears good, but it needs new rear Master Cylinder seals (Clive Padgett tells me Suzuki never made a rebuild kit available) before next season and a pair of new shocks (not unreasonable, when the originals are 35 years old) before I finally get to ride it next year.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 22:47

Hi Greg,

Yes, that's mine,

I bought it off Eddie, who told me about this bit of its history, so I'll have to give him a call to find out exactly where it was on display.

The restoration standard certainly appears good, but it needs new rear Master Cylinder seals (Clive Padgett tells me Suzuki never made a rebuild kit available) before next season and a pair of new shocks (not unreasonable, when the originals are 35 years old) before I finally get to ride it next year.


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Posted 29 October 2012 - 11:40

Sorry, MK7 RG was introduced in 1982 not 83.

John.

Spot on John Wel done mate :clap:

Edited by andyb1963, 30 October 2012 - 14:17.


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Posted 30 October 2012 - 07:49

Hi Greg,

Yes, that's mine,

I bought it off Eddie, who told me about this bit of its history, so I'll have to give him a call to find out exactly where it was on display.

The restoration standard certainly appears good, but it needs new rear Master Cylinder seals (Clive Padgett tells me Suzuki never made a rebuild kit available) before next season and a pair of new shocks (not unreasonable, when the originals are 35 years old) before I finally get to ride it next year.

Would love to see it on the track, these were exotic and unaffordable when we were racing on our clapped out TZs. I remember a lad called Steve Perkins who like myself, was a Croft regular with a run of the mill TZ350, turned up with a brand new MK3 RG, we couldn't believe how quick it was.
Let us know when you take it on the track.
Greg

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 12:54

In case not all TNF'ers have seen this:
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#21909 Paul Collins

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 22:49

In case not all TNF'ers have seen this:
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Thanks Russell, I hadnt seen that before, this has been up before but a good excuse to post it again, this was his Scarborough appearance in 1972, I was there and became a huge fan that day.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:50

Thanks Russell, I hadnt seen that before, this has been up before but a good excuse to post it again, this was his Scarborough appearance in 1972, I was there and became a huge fan that day.

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I was at that meeting too, we arrived late and watched the 250s at the esses, Read & Saarinen were going at it, what a sight ! In the other races Ago was there on the MVs and his speed through the start - finish was amazing. Also there were Sheene, Grant and all the other big UK stars.
Jarno won three races that day as he did at Mallory Race of the Year and the big international at Silverstone and to this day remains the most impressive rider I have ever seen.
I don't believe it's looking back through rose coloured spectacles but those big internationals were the best meetings ever, if only they would come back.
Greg


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Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:10

In case not all TNF'ers have seen this:
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:37

I don't believe it's looking back through rose coloured spectacles but those big internationals were the best meetings ever, if only they would come back.
Greg




Neither do I Greg , an atmosphere and crowd the like of which present day promoters can only dream about :mad:

Mind , can you see present day riders riding in 3/4 classes a day , on different types of machine and enjoying it without the winging and support of today ?? ...........................no , neither can I :well:


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Posted 01 November 2012 - 11:51

Those were ther days!! the chance to see our GP stars & many of the Continental Circus stars riding here 5/6 + times a year, when we got to see 125's 250/350,s 500's (Suzuki,Yamaha, Kawasaki,) 750's (Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Triumph, Norton) sidecars, proddy bikes.

Now we get Super this Super that, what a load of borrocks! :(





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Posted 01 November 2012 - 12:16

Those were ther days!! the chance to see our GP stars & many of the Continental Circus stars riding here 5/6 + times a year, when we got to see 125's 250/350,s 500's (Suzuki,Yamaha, Kawasaki,) 750's (Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Triumph, Norton) sidecars, proddy bikes.

Now we get Super this Super that, what a load of borrocks! :(


I seem to remember the end of season 'Super Prestigio' race in Spain where many of the top GP men would race 'over the counter' 250 racers.

Halcyon days or am I just dreaming (again) :confused:

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 13:02

Match Races, Post TT, Race of the Year, F750 rounds, Powerbike International. A dozen races per meeting, full grids and top flight international riders on true GP machinery in all classes.


Now we get one three-class GP and a handful of proddy based machinery races.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 14:13

Match Races, Post TT, Race of the Year, F750 rounds, Powerbike International. A dozen races per meeting, full grids and top flight international riders on true GP machinery in all classes.


Now we get one three-class GP and a handful of proddy based machinery races.


'Super' Proddy :evil:

#21917 Paul Collins

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 16:21

Neither do I Greg , an atmosphere and crowd the like of which present day promoters can only dream about :mad:

Mind , can you see present day riders riding in 3/4 classes a day , on different types of machine and enjoying it without the winging and support of today ?? ...........................no , neither can I :well:


I remember the depth and quality of the entry at that meeting blew me away, half of the continental circus seemed to be there.

Also I seem to remember a certain young chap on a Yamaha in white leathers by the name of B Sheene won his first UK international race that day.

Edited to say - the chap standing next to me told me to keep an eye on Saarinen's mate, a relatively unknown rider who sure enough was thereabouts when the action started, it was Lansivuori

Edited by Paul Collins, 01 November 2012 - 16:54.


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Posted 01 November 2012 - 16:31

I was at that meeting too, we arrived late and watched the 250s at the esses, Read & Saarinen were going at it, what a sight ! In the other races Ago was there on the MVs and his speed through the start - finish was amazing. Also there were Sheene, Grant and all the other big UK stars.
Jarno won three races that day as he did at Mallory Race of the Year and the big international at Silverstone and to this day remains the most impressive rider I have ever seen.
I don't believe it's looking back through rose coloured spectacles but those big internationals were the best meetings ever, if only they would come back.
Greg



I too was at that meeting and The Race of the Year at Mallory, and to this day I still maintain the Saarinen was the greatest road racer I have ever seen, and who knows to what level he could have risen if he had not been tragically killed at Monza.
Take a look at the angle of the clipons on Saarinen's Yamaha !

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 20:59

Would love to see it on the track, these were exotic and unaffordable when we were racing on our clapped out TZs. I remember a lad called Steve Perkins who like myself, was a Croft regular with a run of the mill TZ350, turned up with a brand new MK3 RG, we couldn't believe how quick it was.
Let us know when you take it on the track.
Greg


RGs have always been just a few grand more than I could afford, (even when they were at their cheapest I was still using my proddy racer to ride to work on Mondays, so couldn't get a GP bike). This year I realised that they'll never get any cheaper, so sold three bikes and realised a dream!

Hopefully, after a trackday, I'll enter the Auto 66 hillclimbs at Oliver's Mount next year, and Dalby too. There are so many good photos of heros from the past around the mere hairpin, that I'm pretty excited at the prospect of getting it around there, and flat-out up the hill :-)

Edited by marksjackson, 01 November 2012 - 21:01.


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#21920 tdijam

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 21:07

RGs always been just a few grand more than I could afford, (even when they were at their cheapest I was still using my proddy racer to ride to work on Mondays, so couldn't get a GP bike). This year I realised that they'll never get any cheaper, so sold three bikes and realised a dream!

Hopefully, after a trackday, I'll enter the Auto 66 hillclimbs at Oliver's Mount next year, and Dalby too. There are so many good photos of Herod from the past around the mere hairpin, that I'm pretty excited at the prospect of getting it around there, and flat-out up the hill :-)


Why don't you enter the Barry Sheen memorial meeting at Oliver's Mount, that way you at least you get the full lap in! it's a great opportunity to have a ride at one of the most exciting tracks in the UK
Did you have any luck with the Seal Kit for the RG ?

John.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 21:40

Why don't you enter the Barry Sheen memorial meeting at Oliver's Mount, that way you at least you get the full lap in! it's a great opportunity to have a ride at one of the most exciting tracks in the UK
Did you have any luck with the Seal Kit for the RG ?

John.


Seal kit arrived today, Cheers :up: Hopefully I'll get a little garage time at the weekend to fit it.

I would certainly fancy a parade lap(s) at the Barry Sheene Memorial meeting, but don't have the balls to race at a competitive pace around the full circuit. I'll have to check if there are parade laps next year.

I've done the twisty sprints from from mount side down over the jumps/farm bends bottom straight and the hill climbs many times, (fairly competitively on all sorts of bikes), but marshalling there for the nationals back in the 90s always put me off racing the full circuit (I realise that's irrational, but the older marshals had some real horror stories).

Parade speed would be just fine tho.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 22:18

Seal kit arrived today, Cheers :up: Hopefully I'll get a little garage time at the weekend to fit it.

I would certainly fancy a parade lap(s) at the Barry Sheene Memorial meeting, but don't have the balls to race at a competitive pace around the full circuit. I'll have to check if there are parade laps next year.

I've done the twisty sprints from from mount side down over the jumps/farm bends bottom straight and the hill climbs many times, (fairly competitively on all sorts of bikes), but marshalling there for the nationals back in the 90s always put me off racing the full circuit (I realise that's irrational, but the older marshals had some real horror stories).

Parade speed would be just fine tho.



you could always ' parade ' it in the CMRC , Mark :up: , go at your own speed  ;) , 2 a day , a great weekend guaranteed :wave:


#21923 tdijam

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 22:29

Seal kit arrived today, Cheers :up: Hopefully I'll get a little garage time at the weekend to fit it.

I would certainly fancy a parade lap(s) at the Barry Sheene Memorial meeting, but don't have the balls to race at a competitive pace around the full circuit. I'll have to check if there are parade laps next year.

I've done the twisty sprints from from mount side down over the jumps/farm bends bottom straight and the hill climbs many times, (fairly competitively on all sorts of bikes), but marshalling there for the nationals back in the 90s always put me off racing the full circuit (I realise that's irrational, but the older marshals had some real horror stories).

Parade speed would be just fine tho.


There are parade laps as part of the Barry Sheene meeting at Scarborough, you still get the buzz of riding witout the stress of racing!

John

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 15:38

I still maintain the Saarinen was the greatest road racer I have ever seen, and who knows to what level he could have risen if he had not been tragically killed at Monza.



My favourite (i.e. ad nauseam) bar-stool discussion - if Jarno's career had been allowed to run full course we wouldn't have seen the likes of Roberts and Baker over in the GPs - no sense coming all that way just to get handed a can of whup-ass as I believe they'd put it.  ;)


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Posted 02 November 2012 - 17:31

My favourite (i.e. ad nauseam) bar-stool discussion - if Jarno's career had been allowed to run full course we wouldn't have seen the likes of Roberts and Baker over in the GPs - no sense coming all that way just to get handed a can of whup-ass as I believe they'd put it.;)


I remember reading something in a Swedish magazine in early 1973, that Jarno planned to retire at the end of the 1974 season.

Edited by Mats Karlsson, 02 November 2012 - 17:32.


#21926 fastfitter

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 17:33

Around that time my Swedish magazines didn't have any words in them :smoking:

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 18:15

Around that time my Swedish magazines didn't have any words in them :smoking:


LOL....good one...... :rotfl:


#21928 Paul Collins

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 18:21

I remember reading something in a Swedish magazine in early 1973, that Jarno planned to retire at the end of the 1974 season.


I remember in 1972 he was quoted in MCN as saying "If i am lucky enough to win the 250 world chamionship this year I will almost certainly retire, I want to live to be an old man" I have thought about that quote many times since.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 18:44

you could always ' parade ' it in the CMRC , Mark :up: , go at your own speed ;) , 2 a day , a great weekend guaranteed :wave:


I don't know what db's the RG will make but there is a 105 limit with the CRMC parades apart from the Donington meeting which has no noise limit.


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Posted 03 November 2012 - 18:04

I remember in 1972 he was quoted in MCN as saying "If i am lucky enough to win the 250 world chamionship this year I will almost certainly retire, I want to live to be an old man" I have thought about that quote many times since.


I almost felt like a close member of my family had died when I found out about his death, very weird indeed. I guess he was kind of an odd ball compared to the rest of the GP racers, well-educated and speaking several languages.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 10:38

I almost felt like a close member of my family had died when I found out about his death, very weird indeed. I guess he was kind of an odd ball compared to the rest of the GP racers, well-educated and speaking several languages.

Mats, do you know what Jarno did before turning professional racer? I heard he was in the family undertaking business. Evidently, his brothers drove down to Italy from Finland to take him back home after he died. I wonder if there is any truth in that?
Jarno was every riders hero at the time. He really was in a class of his own, but more tellingly, he rewrote the book on how to ride a motorcycle with a style never seen before his time. Definitely my all time favourite racer.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 13:09

That rings a bell with me too, just checked in the Saarinen book but no info to confirm in there.

Great great rider.



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Posted 28 November 2012 - 14:44

Mats, do you know what Jarno did before turning professional racer? I heard he was in the family undertaking business. Evidently, his brothers drove down to Italy from Finland to take him back home after he died. I wonder if there is any truth in that?


Jarno studied mechanical engineering in Turku and joined Tunturi, the Finnish Puch importer, afterwards, he also worked at the Puch works in Austria for a couple of month.
His brothers took him back from Monza, that's correct. If you have access to the July/August 2011 issue of 'Classic Racer', you'll find a interview with Soili there.


Edited by Rennmax, 28 November 2012 - 15:14.


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Posted 28 November 2012 - 15:47

Jarno studied mechanical engineering in Turku and joined Tunturi, the Finnish Puch importer, afterwards, he also worked at the Puch works in Austria for a couple of month.
His brothers took him back from Monza, that's correct. If you have access to the July/August 2011 issue of 'Classic Racer', you'll find a interview with Soili there.

Thanks for that Rennmax. :up:

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 17:29

I almost felt like a close member of my family had died when I found out about his death, very weird indeed. I guess he was kind of an odd ball compared to the rest of the GP racers, well-educated and speaking several languages.


I can still remember listening to Sunday Sport on the BBC , and being absolutely stunned at the news of the death of Jarno. Such a tragic loss , in my opinion the greatest road racer ever! , certainly the best I have ever seen .

John.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 20:02

I can still remember listening to Sunday Sport on the BBC , and being absolutely stunned at the news of the death of Jarno. Such a tragic loss , in my opinion the greatest road racer ever! , certainly the best I have ever seen .

John.

Yes, but also the loss of Renso was just as tragic. He to was also an icon, a great of his time. Let's not forget that. Sorry, just trying to put everything in perspective. :blush:

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 21:46

Yes, but also the loss of Renso was just as tragic. He to was also an icon, a great of his time. Let's not forget that. Sorry, just trying to put everything in perspective. :blush:


Of course the the loss of Renzo was tragic, as is any loss of life, but as I had only ever read of Passolini and never had the chance to see him race, as against having seen Sarrinen race in the UK his death had more of a impact.

John.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 01:47

I can still remember listening to Sunday Sport on the BBC , and being absolutely stunned at the news of the death of Jarno. Such a tragic loss , in my opinion the greatest road racer ever! , certainly the best I have ever seen .

John.

I remember this also as though it was yesterday. Presented by Ed Stewart at 7.00 on Sunday evening and the report was by Chris Carter, I was totally gutted at the news. :cry:

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:33

Does it qualify as a www if I'm a bit vague on it myself ?
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:49

2nd along is Barry Randle, is it Snetterton 1970?

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:50

Poss Thruxton?

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 13:12

Yes Graham, Barry Randle, fraid I don't know too much more. Was there a grandstand on the ouside of the track at Snetterton? I wonder if the Ducati pilot on the second row is Tony Nash, or perhaps Alan Dunscombe? The pic appears with the kind permission of the owner, someone who has expressed an interest in joining us. Hopefully though we can get some more info soonish.
The bloke on the Aermacch Mettise looks familiar ?

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#21943 Paul Collins

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 14:14

Yes Graham, Barry Randle, fraid I don't know too much more. Was there a grandstand on the ouside of the track at Snetterton? I wonder if the Ducati pilot on the second row is Tony Nash, or perhaps Alan Dunscombe? The pic appears with the kind permission of the owner, someone who has expressed an interest in joining us. Hopefully though we can get some more info soonish.
The bloke on the Aermacch Mettise looks familiar ?


furthest away on front row in the yellow lid looks like a Haslam, Terry maybe? or a young Phil?

#21944 Paul Collins

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 14:19

Any idea's on the Chat Yamaha pilot sitting in the background? i've zoomed in and it doesnt look like Derek's lid.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 14:55

Great - hope there are more pics where this came from :up: !
Agree about the "Haslam look" of the yellow-hatted gent, but I'm wondering if it's Mike Trimby? I recall another photo posted sometime on here, where a yellow jet helmet like that turned out to be Trimby.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 15:12

Any idea's on the Chat Yamaha pilot sitting in the background? i've zoomed in and it doesnt look like Derek's lid.

Great - hope there are more pics where this came from :up: !
Agree about the "Haslam look" of the yellow-hatted gent, but I'm wondering if it's Mike Trimby? I recall another photo posted sometime on here, where a yellow jet helmet like that turned out to be Trimby.


Machin perhaps for the Yam pilot at the rear ? I seem to recall him having one of those locally made and more bulbous fairings with the non alloy bellypans on his bike.

Trimby's hat was yellow at one stage at least, but isn't he a bleedin giant?

Difficult one gents, aye, made more so cos they're all mixed up - perhaps being steered towards the right grid positions ?

Tony, is that you on the Macchi Mettise ?

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#21947 Paul Collins

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 15:19

I think Machin was still on an open face helmet in those days, can anyone remember a guy called Dave Littler from around that time? he had an ex Chatterton TR2B, i'm wondering if its him

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 15:21

Yes Graham, Barry Randle, fraid I don't know too much more. Was there a grandstand on the ouside of the track at Snetterton? I wonder if the Ducati pilot on the second row is Tony Nash, or perhaps Alan Dunscombe? The pic appears with the kind permission of the owner, someone who has expressed an interest in joining us. Hopefully though we can get some more info soonish.
The bloke on the Aermacch Mettise looks familiar ?




Hi Russ, yes Snett did have a small/ish wooden covered grand stand on start line, I think it is Snett.

Dont think its Haslam in yellow hat, sure he had a b/w checker pattern in his early day.

Trimby did have yellow helmet, dont recall him having white arms to any of his leathers?

Is it not a touch to early for Tony Nash? & the #44 bike looks to be in Sondel colours?


Great photo though hope more to come! :wave:





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Posted 29 November 2012 - 16:44

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 17:27

A regular at race meets in the mid 70's Dave Taylor doing one of his stunts for Cancer charity I think?

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