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#21951 picblanc

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 17:32

2nd along is Barry Randle, is it Snetterton 1970?



There are cars parked just in front of the tree line in the distance, & Grandstand does not look right for Snetterton, so Thruxton my choice now?





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#21952 Classicpics

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 17:44

A regular at race meets in the mid 70's Dave Taylor doing one of his stunts for Cancer charity I think?

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I remember him well!

#21953 picblanc

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 18:06

Re Trimby, here he is @ Snetterton in 1971 leading #9 John Wilcox (Honda) & Bob Bentley (Aermacchi) helmet more mustard/gold than yellow?

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#21954 philippe7

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 19:00

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Boet ? Or would that be too obvious :well:

#21955 Russell Burrows

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 19:34

I think Machin was still on an open face helmet in those days, can anyone remember a guy called Dave Littler from around that time? he had an ex Chatterton TR2B, i'm wondering if its him


Yes, I think you're right on Steve, Paul. Did you say you can see Chat Yam on it when it's blown up ? I can't recall Dave Littler. I think the shot is around 1970/1, would you agree?

Hi Russ, yes Snett did have a small/ish wooden covered grand stand on start line, I think it is Snett.

Dont think its Haslam in yellow hat, sure he had a b/w checker pattern in his early day.

Trimby did have yellow helmet, dont recall him having white arms to any of his leathers?

Is it not a touch to early for Tony Nash? & the #44 bike looks to be in Sondel colours?


Great photo though hope more to come! :wave:


I can recall Tony Nash on his Ducatis in 1971, Graham, and he was punting them around in the year before too  ;)

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#21956 Russell Burrows

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 19:47

Re Trimby, here he is @ Snetterton in 1971 leading #9 John Wilcox (Honda) & Bob Bentley (Aermacchi) helmet more mustard/gold than yellow?

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Bentley was fast on that Macchi, but I don't think he ever later got aboard a stroker, did he ?


#21957 picblanc

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 20:30

Boet ? Or would that be too obvious :well:



:clap: Boet Van Dulman it is Philippe.





#21958 Paul Collins

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 21:23

Yes, I think you're right on Steve, Paul. Did you say you can see Chat Yam on it when it's blown up ? I can't recall Dave Littler. I think the shot is around 1970/1, would you agree?


I blew the photo up Russell and it looked like "Chat Yamahe" although it was pulling apart and hard to see, I reckon you're right on 70/71 I was trying to ID the bike as Roger Marshall started his solo career on an ex Chat TR2B in 72 and the bike had gone from Derek to a guy called Dave Littler and then onto another local lad Colin Wray before Roger bought it, so i wondered if it was the same bike.

Roger was a neighbour of mine and he and the TR2B was what started it all for me. as a pesky kid I was round there every night in the garage whenever I saw the light on watching him prepare it and doing little cleaning jobs, that was when I decided I was going racing as soon as I was old enough.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:56

I can recall Tony Nash on his Ducatis in 1971, Graham, and he was punting them around in the year before too  ;)


I'm pretty certain that's Dunscombe on the Ducati.

The bloke with the red and white helmet looks familiar but I can't place him.


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#21960 greg1953

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:59

I think Machin was still on an open face helmet in those days, can anyone remember a guy called Dave Littler from around that time? he had an ex Chatterton TR2B, i'm wondering if its him

I remember Dave Littler, he was a Croft regular and if I am correct he was one of the last to wear a pudding basin lid ( red ) and I think his fairing was red also.
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 10:23

Does it qualify as a www if I'm a bit vague on it myself ?
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HI,
This photo shows a 350 Bultaco which did not have many buyers when intoduced, I wonder if the rider might be Malcolm Jeavons, I say this as my father sold our 350 which was used by John Samwys in 1969 to Malcolm in early 1970. There were only a few 350 used and i cannot think of anyone else but Sheene who raced them in the UK.
Just a thought, cheers
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#21962 Robin127

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 14:35

HI,
This photo shows a 350 Bultaco which did not have many buyers when intoduced, I wonder if the rider might be Malcolm Jeavons, I say this as my father sold our 350 which was used by John Samwys in 1969 to Malcolm in early 1970. There were only a few 350 used and i cannot think of anyone else but Sheene who raced them in the UK.
Just a thought, cheers
Pete


Pete Bowers rode one in 1972 (Sheenes old bike) and Richard Horton, John Norris and Richard Attenborough all rode 350's in 1973. None of those are the bloke in the photo.


#21963 knickerbrook

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 16:03

Well this picture has provided a lot of entertainment (just like early days on this board :up: !).
So Russ, has the chap got any more?

#21964 Russell Burrows

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 16:06

Well this picture has provided a lot of entertainment (just like early days on this board :up: !).
So Russ, has the chap got any more?


Think so Barry, hopefully she'll join us. The owner's adjuducation : From left to right:- Roger Bowler, Barry Randle, Robin Gray, Grant Gibson, Jim Curry

#21965 picblanc

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 17:10

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#21966 fil2.8

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 17:25

Ducati , Tony Osbourne ??

#21967 picblanc

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 17:39

Yes Ducati no Tony. :p

#21968 Robin127

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 18:17

Yes Ducati no Tony. :p


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#21969 greg1953

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 18:22

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Riding gear looks like Richard Peckett

#21970 picblanc

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 18:31

:clap: Correct Robin & Greg, RP in 1975.

#21971 Robin127

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 21:08

Think so Barry, hopefully she'll join us. The owner's adjuducation : From left to right:- Roger Bowler, Barry Randle, Robin Gray, Grant Gibson, Jim Curry


I remember seeing him fall off a 350 Yamaha exiting Druids in about '72 or 73. He slid down the hill, the bike in front sending up sparks, the tank came off with the spilling petrol being ignited by said sparks. He picked himself up, walked over to the bike and tank which were lying close to each other and coolly picked up the tank, walked over the the edge of the track and dropped onto the grass, all the time with a small trail of burning fuel exiting the petrol tap. If he hadn't done that his bike would have very quickly been engulfed by the burning petrol, as it was the small amount of petrol on the track soon burnt itself out, however the tank did burn pretty badly before the marshalls could get there.

To this day I'm still impressed by the fact that he was calm enough to remove the tank to a place where it could be dealt with more safely than in the middle of a race circuit.


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Posted 01 December 2012 - 16:51

On the subject of 350 Bultacos - there was one racing (very effectively!) at Aberdare Park this year, ridden by Mike Hose.
I wonder what it's history is, being a bit of a rarity.

#21973 larryd

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 16:56

On the subject of 350 Bultacos - there was one racing (very effectively!) at Aberdare Park this year, ridden by Mike Hose.
I wonder what it's history is, being a bit of a rarity.


This, I think, is one of the "modern" AJRs - he rides it at the Pre-TT at Billown regularly - he, and it, are bloody quick.

#21974 fil2.8

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 19:11

This, I think, is one of the "modern" AJRs - he rides it at the Pre-TT at Billown regularly - he, and it, are bloody quick.



Yes , Ginger Malloy also had a brace of them at Assen in 1998 , and agreed they , and Ginger were bloody quick :up:


#21975 Herr Wankel

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 20:43

This, I think, is one of the "modern" AJRs - he rides it at the Pre-TT at Billown regularly - he, and it, are bloody quick.


I think its Ken Platts AJR

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#21976 Robin127

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 21:28

Two photos from 1973 both from Brands Hatch.

The first is the start of the very wet Mellano Trophy race at the Hutchinson 100, the quality isn't that great, I took it on a regular 35mm camera from the grandstand I've adjusted it the best I can but if you look closely it should be possible to pick out most of the riders.

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The second is a photo I particularly like, nothing special about it but to me it just sums up a typical club race in the early 70's.

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#21977 Paul Collins

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 21:52

Two photos from 1973 both from Brands Hatch.

The first is the start of the very wet Mellano Trophy race at the Hutchinson 100, the quality isn't that great, I took it on a regular 35mm camera from the grandstand I've adjusted it the best I can but if you look closely it should be possible to pick out most of the riders.

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#22 Pat Mahoney on the monocoque 500 Seeley Suzuki, #15 Sheene behind on the sister bike, Percy Tait obscured by Mahoney, #11 Peter Williams, #8 Dave Potter, #2 Dave Croxford, #39 possibly Ron Chandler

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#21978 fil2.8

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 22:44

great pics , from when Brands had character :well: ...............without all the corporate crap it has now :down:

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 02:22

Yes , Ginger Malloy also had a brace of them at Assen in 1998 , and agreed they , and Ginger were bloody quick :up:


Ginger still has the Bultaco 350 on which he won the Ulster GP (1964? in immaculate and fully rideable condition).

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#21980 johnyC

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 06:13

Ginger still has the Bultaco 350 on which he won the Ulster GP (1964? in immaculate and fully rideable condition).

I saw it up for sale in the last issue of Classic Racer magazine (uk)

#21981 Redneb

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 07:00

Yes they are all for sale.

#21982 fil2.8

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 10:28

Yes they are all for sale.



With a hefty price tag , i'll wager


#21983 GD66

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 12:23

Ginger still has the Bultaco 350 on which he won the Ulster GP (1964? in immaculate and fully rideable condition).


1966 250.


#21984 Robin127

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 15:21

#22 Pat Mahoney on the monocoque 500 Seeley Suzuki, #15 Sheene behind on the sister bike, Percy Tait obscured by Mahoney, #11 Peter Williams, #8 Dave Potter, #2 Dave Croxford, #39 possibly Ron Chandler


From what I remember 39 is Ron Chandler. I thought Sheene's bike had a tubular frame not the monocoque as on Mahoney's bike.

#21985 Paul Collins

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 17:54

From what I remember 39 is Ron Chandler. I thought Sheene's bike had a tubular frame not the monocoque as on Mahoney's bike.


Just zoomed in and think you're right Robin, there are certainly differences in the seat unit and the area below, for some reason I always thought Seeley built two identical bikes, I remember seeing Pat's close up at Cadwell and I remember thinking at the time what lovely pieces of kit they were.

#21986 picblanc

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 19:09

What frame is this? I have no idea, photo taken 1977.

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#21987 Paul Collins

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 20:31

Maxton I think, I seem to remember Colin Bevan bought the ex Chas Mortimer Sarome Yamaha in 1977

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 22:20

It's got Peter Williams wheels which Ron did fit to some bikes, but I had the original Maxton Monoshock that Charlie Williams won the 1975 Junior TT and It didn't look like this frame . Ron Williams did convert some twin shock frames to Monoshock but I don't think this is one of them . I think it could be a Vendetta frame.

John.

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#21989 GD66

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 23:42

The rear axle clamps and adjusters look like Maxton. It's not a Bakker or Spondon. I'd still be putting $2 on it being a Maxton.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 03:26

The rear axle clamps and adjusters look like Maxton. It's not a Bakker or Spondon. I'd still be putting $2 on it being a Maxton.

I'm with Glenn here, the seat and tank are also classic Maxton

#21991 Paul Collins

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:04

The rear axle clamps and adjusters look like Maxton. It's not a Bakker or Spondon. I'd still be putting $2 on it being a Maxton.


and i'll have £1.30 (just checked Aussie $ to GB £ rate on google) on it being the ex Mortimer bike.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:22

These may be of no help? :eek: Chas 1976.

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and in 1977, I know its the 350.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:28

This taken same day as Bevan bike, frames look very similar?

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#21994 Paul Collins

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:38

This taken same day as Bevan bike, frames look very similar?

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That looks more like an early Harris 'lowboy' frame (wedge shaped tank)

The Bevan bike looks to have a different swingarm to any of the shots of Mortimer I can find, if you look the top swingarm tube joins the bottom tube almost over the spindle on Bevans bike, whereas on the pictures of Mortimers bike from the same era the two tubes meet forward of the spindle.

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#21995 tonyed

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:38

The Bevan bike looks (at least to me) like a monoshocked standard TZ frame that has been nickle plated. You can see where the original rear shock mounting points have been welded up and the rear fairing mount looks standard TZ. Modified TZ A/B tank.

#21996 Paul Collins

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:43

The Bevan bike looks (at least to me) like a monoshocked standard TZ frame that has been nickle plated. You can see where the original rear shock mounting points have been welded up and the rear fairing mount looks standard TZ. Modified TZ A/B tank.


Think you're right Tony, its a twin shock A/B frame with a monoshock conversion by either Maxton or Harris, he must have moved on to the mortimer bike later in the season.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 16:26

I agree it does look like a Yamaha A/B twin shock , but sorry guy's I still don't think it's a Maxton ! If I remember correctly the tubes running from the top of the rear shock to the swinging arm were curved on the twin shocks that Ron converted too cantilever.i think Eddie Roberts rode a converted Maxton back in 1975 , some one might have a photo of that bike ?. It does look like its got a short DeCarbon unit fitted .
We need Em Roberts on the forum, nobody knows more about Maxton's than him!

John.


#21998 Paul Collins

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 17:27

I agree it does look like a Yamaha A/B twin shock , but sorry guy's I still don't think it's a Maxton ! If I remember correctly the tubes running from the top of the rear shock to the swinging arm were curved on the twin shocks that Ron converted too cantilever.i think Eddie Roberts rode a converted Maxton back in 1975 , some one might have a photo of that bike ?. It does look like its got a short DeCarbon unit fitted .
We need Em Roberts on the forum, nobody knows more about Maxton's than him!

John.


The two swingarms are pretty much identical John and I reckon the red bike is a Harris so the Bevan bike is probably an A/B twin shock converted to monoshock by Harris.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 17:43

I had a 250 A/B which was converted to monoshock and the rear wheel adjustment looks very similar. It used a short de-carbon unit like the one in the photo but from the pictures I have it is difficult to see the actual shock mounting, but it does look very similar all round.

The manufacturer of this conversion was Messers Harris.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 20:24

I had a 250 A/B which was converted to monoshock and the rear wheel adjustment looks very similar. It used a short de-carbon unit like the one in the photo but from the pictures I have it is difficult to see the actual shock mounting, but it does look very similar all round.

The manufacturer of this conversion was Messers Harris.

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Must have been a quick 'un Tony, that front disc didn't get much use.  ;)