Jump to content


Photo

Motorcycle racing 1969-1990 nostalgia 2


  • Please log in to reply
22898 replies to this topic

#22101 Paul Collins

Paul Collins
  • Member

  • 644 posts
  • Joined: April 09

Posted 15 January 2013 - 22:52

A fairly handy GP privateer from what I remember of him, one of the continental circus Brits in the 70's

Advertisement

#22102 LittleChris

LittleChris
  • Member

  • 2,183 posts
  • Joined: April 01

Posted 15 January 2013 - 23:22

:wave: Hi Graham, that section is public roads still I think, or at least it was when I spent a very enjoyable Sunday blasting round the old circuit on a 600 in the 90s, it must have been awesome through the original section on an aircooled 2 stroke with skinny tyres back in the days of the original unadulterated track ! :up:


All of the old public roads that were used as part of the new circuit ( ie just before Blanchimont round to Les Combes / Haut de la Cote ) were closed off for daily use by the public around 2000 I think. I went there that year and wasn't able to do a complete lap of the old circuit. Still at least I could drive around the more challenging part of the old circuit ie Burnenville, Masta, Stavelot and Quarry :clap:

(Being picky, the uphill righthanded section of circuit in the picture is the Raidillon, Eau Rouge is the left hander at the bottom of the hill)

#22103 GD66

GD66
  • Member

  • 2,186 posts
  • Joined: December 07

Posted 15 January 2013 - 23:33

I always thought Raidillon was the name of the left-hander at the top of the crest that climbs on to the straight up to Les Combes, and that Eau Rouge was actually the low point over the bridge.

#22104 picblanc

picblanc
  • Member

  • 12,531 posts
  • Joined: October 06

Posted 15 January 2013 - 23:48

I have the programme for this, WWW? one easy one! :p

Posted Image



#22105 Robin127

Robin127
  • Member

  • 380 posts
  • Joined: May 10

Posted 16 January 2013 - 02:47

I have the programme for this, WWW? one easy one! :p

Posted Image



27 Charlie Sanby, 17 Derek Chatterton, 41 Tony Jefferies, Ray Pickerell at the back and I think that's Dave Nixon whose head you can see between Chatterton and the bloke with the checkered helmet.

As for Jerry Lancaster, he was obviously pretty useful as he had several top ten GP finishes and did well in many of the regular International races run throughout Europe during that period but he seems to be one of those that no one knows much about.

Edited by Robin127, 16 January 2013 - 02:53.


#22106 GD66

GD66
  • Member

  • 2,186 posts
  • Joined: December 07

Posted 16 January 2013 - 03:31

John Hedger #11 with the chequered helmet, Peter Butler's striped helmet above that, and is that Brian Kemp pushing Commando #25 ?
Terry Grotefeld #36 ?
Maybe Steve Jolly to Kemp's left : if we do get a successful id on this bloke it will help as I have him captioned-in-hope in another location... :drunk:

Edited by GD66, 16 January 2013 - 03:34.


#22107 greg1953

greg1953
  • Member

  • 346 posts
  • Joined: February 11

Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:57

John Hedger #11 with the chequered helmet, Peter Butler's striped helmet above that, and is that Brian Kemp pushing Commando #25 ?
Terry Grotefeld #36 ?
Maybe Steve Jolly to Kemp's left : if we do get a successful id on this bloke it will help as I have him captioned-in-hope in another location... :drunk:

Looks like Peter Mc Kinley's helmet next to 25

#22108 picblanc

picblanc
  • Member

  • 12,531 posts
  • Joined: October 06

Posted 16 January 2013 - 09:26

Well done chaps beteen you you have most of them,

L to r is

Charlie Sanby #27, John Hedger #11, its Peter Butler helmet you can just see between Chat & Hedger, Terry Hutton #6, Donald Grant #36, Tony Jefferies #41, Pete McKinley, Ray Pickrell at the back, Adrian Cooper #25, Louis Geeson #10,

#44 hidden behind Hedger is Tony Godfrey,

Snetterton Race of Aces meeting 1971.



#22109 GD66

GD66
  • Member

  • 2,186 posts
  • Joined: December 07

Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:51

How often did Tony Jefferies ride the Munch ?

#22110 Robin127

Robin127
  • Member

  • 380 posts
  • Joined: May 10

Posted 16 January 2013 - 13:32

Well done chaps beteen you you have most of them,

L to r is

......its Peter Butler helmet you can just see between Chat & Hedger......


Does guessing his teammate (Dave Nixon) on the Boyers bikes almost count as getting it right? :D


#22111 picblanc

picblanc
  • Member

  • 12,531 posts
  • Joined: October 06

Posted 16 January 2013 - 17:15

How often did Tony Jefferies ride the Munch ?





Just this once I think, it was not competitive as in it broke down. :D





#22112 OultonPark65

OultonPark65
  • Member

  • 30 posts
  • Joined: January 11

Posted 16 January 2013 - 18:28

Just this once I think, it was not competitive as in it broke down. :D

Saw him on it at Cadwell, came off at the bottom of the mountain.

Edited by OultonPark65, 16 January 2013 - 18:30.


#22113 Paul Collins

Paul Collins
  • Member

  • 644 posts
  • Joined: April 09

Posted 16 January 2013 - 19:01

John Hedger, I think he was the first winner of the Cadwell Conquerer title, never heard the name since

#22114 greg1953

greg1953
  • Member

  • 346 posts
  • Joined: February 11

Posted 16 January 2013 - 21:07

John Hedger, I think he was the first winner of the Cadwell Conquerer title, never heard the name since

I remember that...on a Rickman Metisse 8 valve
Greg

#22115 dixie

dixie
  • Member

  • 65 posts
  • Joined: October 09

Posted 16 January 2013 - 22:34

I remember that...on a Rickman Metisse 8 valve
Greg

He used to race (and usually win) in production races on a Bonneville. Done a lot of Bemsee meetings late 60's.

#22116 billlawrence

billlawrence
  • Member

  • 76 posts
  • Joined: August 12

Posted 17 January 2013 - 01:30

He used to race (and usually win) in production races on a Bonneville. Done a lot of Bemsee meetings late 60's.


Yes I used to go to Snetterton just to see the production races Hedger Buttler Ray Knight Buckmaster top racing .
Bill Lawrence

#22117 Falloffski

Falloffski
  • Member

  • 31 posts
  • Joined: December 07

Posted 17 January 2013 - 08:42

Anybody out there know the whereabouts of Dave Smith of Yamaha TD1C fame? PM me please with any contact details you may have. Thanks.

#22118 dixie

dixie
  • Member

  • 65 posts
  • Joined: October 09

Posted 17 January 2013 - 11:39

Yes I used to go to Snetterton just to see the production races Hedger Buttler Ray Knight Buckmaster top racing .
Bill Lawrence

Yeh Ken Buckmaster. Top bloke. He was chief scrutineer for bemsee when I was scrutineering.

#22119 Paul Collins

Paul Collins
  • Member

  • 644 posts
  • Joined: April 09

Posted 17 January 2013 - 21:48

Probably not connected but when I saw that young lad Luke Hedger on the 125's in BSB I wondered if it was a possibly a grandson or nephew, it was the first time i'd heard the name mentioned in racing since John's days.

Advertisement

#22120 picblanc

picblanc
  • Member

  • 12,531 posts
  • Joined: October 06

Posted 17 January 2013 - 22:48

Probably not connected but when I saw that young lad Luke Hedger on the 125's in BSB I wondered if it was a possibly a grandson or nephew, it was the first time i'd heard the name mentioned in racing since John's days.




I think the chances are he is?








#22121 Mick Robinson

Mick Robinson
  • Member

  • 263 posts
  • Joined: July 08

Posted 19 January 2013 - 13:08

I dont know much about him either, but got couple of pics of him from 1977.

Posted Image

Posted Image

Both Photos Copyrighted to Graham Etheridge.

I'm a bit late on this one, I know Jerry,met him at Chimay and Schliez in about 2000, he was doing some classic racing, he lent me a load of 60's and 70's photos to do a collage of him, there were some great shots of him in the pack with Saarinen and many other stars of that era, he lives in the Dulwich area and is a lovely guy.

#22122 picblanc

picblanc
  • Member

  • 12,531 posts
  • Joined: October 06

Posted 19 January 2013 - 16:01

I'm a bit late on this one, I know Jerry,met him at Chimay and Schliez in about 2000, he was doing some classic racing, he lent me a load of 60's and 70's photos to do a collage of him, there were some great shots of him in the pack with Saarinen and many other stars of that era, he lives in the Dulwich area and is a lovely guy.




Have you got a copy of what you did or even still got the photos Mick?






#22123 Mick Robinson

Mick Robinson
  • Member

  • 263 posts
  • Joined: July 08

Posted 20 January 2013 - 10:04

Have you got a copy of what you did or even still got the photos Mick?

Just found the scans Graham !

#22124 picblanc

picblanc
  • Member

  • 12,531 posts
  • Joined: October 06

Posted 20 January 2013 - 10:20

Just found the scans Graham !




Yay :clap: can you post them or need a hand?






#22125 RC162

RC162
  • Member

  • 332 posts
  • Joined: December 10

Posted 20 January 2013 - 13:50

Posted Image


Posted Image


Posted Image

#22126 Mick Robinson

Mick Robinson
  • Member

  • 263 posts
  • Joined: July 08

Posted 21 January 2013 - 14:44

The rider with red stars on leathers is Jerry Lancaster.


Jerry told me yesterday that he finished 7th in that race after passing Billy Nelson going through the Masta village, what a memory!!

#22127 exclubracer

exclubracer
  • Member

  • 1,676 posts
  • Joined: October 07

Posted 21 January 2013 - 20:13

I always thought Raidillon was the name of the left-hander at the top of the crest that climbs on to the straight up to Les Combes, and that Eau Rouge was actually the low point over the bridge.

:wave: Hi Glenn, hope you're not too hot over there! :D

Just to pick up on the Eau Rouge/Raidillon (or Radillion) not sure of the spelling.

When I worked in Belgium way back, a local from Liege (or Luik, depending if you were a Walloon or Flemish) told me an interesting story about the origin of the Eau Rouge name.

It was said that many years ago (19th or 18th century perhaps, when there was no such country as Belgium) that there was a Customs (Douane) post at that location and that following a battle between the dreaded excise men and a band of smugglers, there was much blood shed, hence the local naming of the stream under the road at that point. 'Eau Rouge' could be loosely interpreted as meaning a river or stream running with blood, as possibly named by the local inhabitants. An interesting tale to be sure, I'm not sure of its accuracy of course but it was said to me in all honesty by a (sober) Belgian, a rare breed indeed! I'll have to do a bit of Googling or, heaven forbid, search on that accurate fountain of knowledge, Wikipedia.

I'll be back.

Edited by exclubracer, 22 January 2013 - 00:00.


#22128 picblanc

picblanc
  • Member

  • 12,531 posts
  • Joined: October 06

Posted 21 January 2013 - 21:42

WWW? three well known names UK riders.

Posted Image

Copyrighted photo.



#22129 knickerbrook

knickerbrook
  • Member

  • 1,031 posts
  • Joined: September 06

Posted 22 January 2013 - 14:32

Our Mick, Graham (Butch) Hobbs - don't know the third one!

#22130 Mick Robinson

Mick Robinson
  • Member

  • 263 posts
  • Joined: July 08

Posted 22 January 2013 - 16:33

6100428[/url]']
WWW? three well known names UK riders.

Posted Image

Copyrighted photo.

I know all five in the shot but I'll wait until everyone's had a stab at them.

#22131 picblanc

picblanc
  • Member

  • 12,531 posts
  • Joined: October 06

Posted 22 January 2013 - 17:59

Correct Barry, number three is known to us on here, bit of a clue there!! ;)

#22132 picblanc

picblanc
  • Member

  • 12,531 posts
  • Joined: October 06

Posted 22 January 2013 - 18:00

Cant wait to hear who #41 & 21 are!!

#22133 Robin127

Robin127
  • Member

  • 380 posts
  • Joined: May 10

Posted 22 January 2013 - 18:03

Correct Barry, number three is known to us on here, bit of a clue there!! ;)


Yendor?

#22134 LittleChris

LittleChris
  • Member

  • 2,183 posts
  • Joined: April 01

Posted 22 January 2013 - 22:41

:wave: Hi Glenn, hope you're not too hot over there! :D

Just to pick up on the Eau Rouge/Raidillon (or Radillion) not sure of the spelling.

When I worked in Belgium way back, a local from Liege (or Luik, depending if you were a Walloon or Flemish) told me an interesting story about the origin of the Eau Rouge name.

It was said that many years ago (19th or 18th century perhaps, when there was no such country as Belgium) that there was a Customs (Douane) post at that location and that following a battle between the dreaded excise men and a band of smugglers, there was much blood shed, hence the local naming of the stream under the road at that point. 'Eau Rouge' could be loosely interpreted as meaning a river or stream running with blood, as possibly named by the local inhabitants. An interesting tale to be sure, I'm not sure of its accuracy of course but it was said to me in all honesty by a (sober) Belgian, a rare breed indeed! I'll have to do a bit of Googling or, heaven forbid, search on that accurate fountain of knowledge, Wikipedia.

I'll be back.


Continuing the Spa theme, the Raidillon was actually the link road, built in 1939, that by-passed the old hairpin on the inside of which stood the Customs House. I believe that the Eau Rouge stream has a reddish tint but it is due to the iron in the ground, though the smugglers is a much nicer explanation :D .

For anyone interested in the history and development of Spa Francorchamps, there's a lengthy thread on the car forum.

http://forums.autosp...l=francorchamps


#22135 Paul Collins

Paul Collins
  • Member

  • 644 posts
  • Joined: April 09

Posted 22 January 2013 - 23:29

Correct Barry, number three is known to us on here, bit of a clue there!! ;)


Adrian Godden?

#22136 picblanc

picblanc
  • Member

  • 12,531 posts
  • Joined: October 06

Posted 23 January 2013 - 00:34

Adrian Godden?



:clap:

Over to you Mick for identity of boot & faring at the back! :rolleyes:





#22137 Mick Robinson

Mick Robinson
  • Member

  • 263 posts
  • Joined: July 08

Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:31

:clap:

Over to you Mick for identity of boot & faring at the back! :rolleyes:




At the rear, Glyn Marriott and the front Barry Woodland !

Edited by Mick Robinson, 23 January 2013 - 06:32.


#22138 andyb1963

andyb1963
  • Member

  • 648 posts
  • Joined: December 06

Posted 23 January 2013 - 13:40

I know all five in the shot but I'll wait until everyone's had a stab at them.

Mick Ward in front of Ady Godden and perhaps either Yendor behind him,or if not Rod then maybe Phil Odlin? :wave:

Edited by andyb1963, 23 January 2013 - 13:41.


#22139 picblanc

picblanc
  • Member

  • 12,531 posts
  • Joined: October 06

Posted 23 January 2013 - 15:32

Our Mick, Graham (Butch) Hobbs - don't know the third one!




:clap: :clap:






Advertisement

#22140 picblanc

picblanc
  • Member

  • 12,531 posts
  • Joined: October 06

Posted 23 January 2013 - 15:33

Mick Ward in front of Ady Godden and perhaps either Yendor behind him,or if not Rod then maybe Phil Odlin? :wave:



Sorry Andy Barry got it, I didnt answer coz I forgot I posted pic, I thought Mick had!!! :blush:





#22141 Herr Wankel

Herr Wankel
  • Member

  • 885 posts
  • Joined: January 08

Posted 23 January 2013 - 20:58

Saw him on it at Cadwell, came off at the bottom of the mountain.


I saw him on it at Mallory

HW


#22142 RC162

RC162
  • Member

  • 332 posts
  • Joined: December 10

Posted 25 January 2013 - 18:39

:clap:
At the rear, Glyn Marriott and the front Barry Woodland !


Sorry to go off topic but I have a local newspaper report on the 1979 BFRC 500km Endurance race at West Raynham and the report goes " Among the fancied teams who failed to make it to the finish were Clive Simmons and Mick Robinson ( 1000 Suzuki ) who went out after Robinson suffered a spill when gearbox oil found its way on to the rear tyre " Is this you ?

#22143 Mick Robinson

Mick Robinson
  • Member

  • 263 posts
  • Joined: July 08

Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:55

6104280[/url]']
Sorry to go off topic but I have a local newspaper report on the 1979 BFRC 500km Endurance race at West Raynham and the report goes " Among the fancied teams who failed to make it to the finish were Clive Simmons and Mick Robinson ( 1000 Suzuki ) who went out after Robinson suffered a spill when gearbox oil found its way on to the rear tyre " Is this you ?

I did crash at West Raynham in '79 although that was onor off should I say a 250TZ!!




#22144 RC162

RC162
  • Member

  • 332 posts
  • Joined: December 10

Posted 30 January 2013 - 18:14

I did crash at West Raynham in '79 although that was onor off should I say a 250TZ!!


Did you ever have a ride in any of the long distance races at West Raynham ?


#22145 Mick Robinson

Mick Robinson
  • Member

  • 263 posts
  • Joined: July 08

Posted 30 January 2013 - 22:19

6108605[/url]']
Did you ever have a ride in any of the long distance races at West Raynham ?

I never did any long distance races at West Raynham RC, the only endurance races I ever did was Thruxton 6 or 8 hour 1976 and Bol D Or 1979.



#22146 doublos

doublos
  • New Member

  • 26 posts
  • Joined: August 10

Posted 02 February 2013 - 17:19

I never did any long distance races at West Raynham RC, the only endurance races I ever did was Thruxton 6 or 8 hour 1976 and Bol D Or 1979.

Ciao Mick,

Do you have any picture of this "vibrating" experience at the Bol d'Or 79 ?

I have no one.

#22147 Mick Robinson

Mick Robinson
  • Member

  • 263 posts
  • Joined: July 08

Posted 02 February 2013 - 20:10

6112613[/url]']
Ciao Mick,

Do you have any picture of this "vibrating" experience at the Bol d'Or 79 ?

I have no one.

Hi Jean Jacques
Picblanc has access to my photos(I don't have any luck posting them on here)
There is one from that unforgettable year! Perhaps Graham would post it for me ?

#22148 GD66

GD66
  • Member

  • 2,186 posts
  • Joined: December 07

Posted 02 February 2013 - 22:48

Why not open a new thread about it, Mick ? I must say the idea of those endurance races, particularly in those days when the factories were involved, had great appeal. The rider lists were strong, plus there was often an influx of circuit racers like yourself that turned up for occasional rides. Who did you partner, what did you ride : most importantly, did you finish ?

#22149 exclubracer

exclubracer
  • Member

  • 1,676 posts
  • Joined: October 07

Posted 02 February 2013 - 22:52

Why not open a new thread about it, Mick ? I must say the idea of those endurance races, particularly in those days when the factories were involved, had great appeal. The rider lists were strong, plus there was often an influx of circuit racers like yourself that turned up for occasional rides. Who did you partner, what did you ride : most importantly, did you finish ?

:wave: Good call Glenn, a cracking thread in prospect, I think!! :up:

#22150 picblanc

picblanc
  • Member

  • 12,531 posts
  • Joined: October 06

Posted 02 February 2013 - 23:53

Hi Jean Jacques
Picblanc has access to my photos(I don't have any luck posting them on here)
There is one from that unforgettable year! Perhaps Graham would post it for me ?


I'll have a look tomorrow hopefully? er what am I looking for though?