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#22151 picblanc

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:40

I'll have a look tomorrow hopefully? er what am I looking for though?




Micks photo I have put in the new thread that Tony has started called Endurance Racing.

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#22152 picblanc

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:49

WWW? neither are Mick by the way! :p

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Mick Robinson photo.



#22153 picblanc

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:51

While I am here who are the other two with Mick Robinson who is #2.

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#22154 tonyed

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:16

WWW? neither are Mick by the way! :p

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No26 looks like an early Bill Warthog and no70 obviously escaped from the flower power era (late blooming in Holland)

#22155 tonyed

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:23

While I am here who are the other two with Mick Robinson who is #2.

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Photo Mick Robinson.



Mark Baldwin (1st) and James Courtney (3rd)

Marks and Mcks numbers (1 and 2) are correct but James should be no 3 not 74 as in the piccie.

#22156 picblanc

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:30

No26 looks like an early Bill Warthog and no70 obviously escaped from the flower power era (late blooming in Holland)


I think its Wil also, the other guy is British & GP regular in late 60's early 70's.






#22157 knickerbrook

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 13:13

I'm going with Kent Anderson for number 26?

#22158 SgtPepperoni

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 13:33

No26 looks like an early Bill Warthog and no70 obviously escaped from the flower power era (late blooming in Holland)

Bill Warthog...............bwaaaahahahahahahaha. That cracked me up. Thanks Tony.

Actually, I think the Kent Anderson look alike who could be Bill Warthog is actually Bert Struijk, a multi Dutch 250 and 350 champion. Of course, that could also be a load of you-know-what. :lol:

Can I change my mind? Harthog it is. Just looked up the Jumping Jack site and unless Bert grew about 6 inches, had an identical pair of white leathers and the same style helmet, it's Will. :drunk:

Edited by SgtPepperoni, 03 February 2013 - 13:40.


#22159 Russell Burrows

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 13:34

WWW? neither are Mick by the way! :p

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Lancaster/Hartog, '71.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 13:44

Lancaster/Hartog, '71.



Correct Russell, Jerry Lancaster & Wil, the date dont know, I think its more like 1973/74?





#22161 GD66

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 08:39

Hi Stan, Keith Williams brought a Reg Orpin RDS back to NZ from England at the end of the 1968 season, it was pretty quick and embarrassed a few in the wet a couple of times that I saw, but was put away when Keith got a Yamaha going and I know not whence it ended up. I'll make a couple of enquiries as I have a mate in NZ that knows Keith : if anything transpires, I'll be back... :wave:





Ah yeah,well anyway..... I spotted an email address for Keith Williams and shot him a note re his Orpin Greeves. This is what Keith wrote back..

"I purchased a new Greeves from Comerfords Ltd (via Greeves) in 1966. Reg Orpin advertised a conversion for 167.00 pounds. Watercooled cylinder, aircooled head with an LE Velo rad mounted behind the engine with 2 air scoops and hoses to feed the air. He also made a new expansion chamber. Reg said he fitted a different cylinder as my one wasn't a good one. I asked him how many he had done and he told me he wasn't doing any more because it cost too much. I was later told the cylinder was off the Peter Williams one. I have never heard of another one. The difference : 1000 revs - from 7000 to 8000, also more reliable as the old cylinder used to rapidly wear the Dykes rings out. No bottom end trouble with the extra 1000 revs. I think the conversion was done in the 1966-67 winter. I used it in the 1967 IoM TT, but used a straight-ring piston which took about 10 mph off the top speed. Was competitive against a Bultaco but when the Jap twins became reliable it was all over. The last I heard of it was when Matt McCahon had it, but Matt died about three years ago so his bro William may have it. The Peter Williams bike had a different frame and possibly tele forks."

So hopefully Keith's info may help you on your quest, Stan. I had a peek on the TT database and Keith finished 26th at 74.9 mph.
Regards GD

Edited by GD66, 04 February 2013 - 08:46.


#22162 picblanc

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 09:09

Nice one Glenn.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 15:40

Correct Russell, Jerry Lancaster & Wil, the date dont know, I think its more like 1973/74?


Tubbergen 1972 250cc ................ click.

Edited by HEMEYLA, 04 February 2013 - 15:43.


#22164 StanN

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 15:57

Hi Glenn,
Thanks for following up on this and posting. :wave:
The use of the PW water-cooled cylinder on Keith's RDS would fit with the story I was told that the PW/Orpin bike was rebuilt with a standard motor after Peter crashed it at Snetterton late in 1966. I remember seeing the Orpin customer water-cooled cylinder conversion at the Earl's Court motor cycle show, probably in 66, but didn't pay a lot of attention to it as I was racing my ex-Grant Gibson 4 speed 125 Bultaco at the time. Never thought I would still be racing a Silverstone 46 years later. :rolleyes:
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 18:45

Hi Glenn,
Thanks for following up on this and posting. :wave:
The use of the PW water-cooled cylinder on Keith's RDS would fit with the story I was told that the PW/Orpin bike was rebuilt with a standard motor after Peter crashed it at Snetterton late in 1966. I remember seeing the Orpin customer water-cooled cylinder conversion at the Earl's Court motor cycle show, probably in 66, but didn't pay a lot of attention to it as I was racing my ex-Grant Gibson 4 speed 125 Bultaco at the time. Never thought I would still be racing a Silverstone 46 years later. :rolleyes:
Stan


As my previous posts. There was at least one other Orpin glycol cooled Silverstone raced by Ray Guy at club events during the very early 70s.
I bought my Chat Greeves Silverstone around August 1970 from Martin Harrison and during 1971 Ray had his Orpin Greeves at circuits such as Snetterton and probably Brands Hatch at this time.

#22166 dixie

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 22:50

As my previous posts. There was at least one other Orpin glycol cooled Silverstone raced by Ray Guy at club events during the very early 70s.
I bought my Chat Greeves Silverstone around August 1970 from Martin Harrison and during 1971 Ray had his Orpin Greeves at circuits such as Snetterton and probably Brands Hatch at this time.

Posted Image King of Brands 1969 (I think) #193 Ray Guy

Edited by dixie, 04 February 2013 - 22:56.


#22167 GD66

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:42

Ah yeah,well anyway..... I spotted an email address for Keith Williams and shot him a note re his Orpin Greeves. This is what Keith wrote back..

"I purchased a new Greeves from Comerfords Ltd (via Greeves) in 1966. Reg Orpin advertised a conversion for 167.00 pounds. Watercooled cylinder, aircooled head with an LE Velo rad mounted behind the engine...
I had a peek on the TT database and Keith finished 26th at 74.9 mph.



Found this article about Keith on a kiwi site.
http://www.nzsbk.net...h-williams.html


#22168 tonyed

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 17:22

Posted Image King of Brands 1969 (I think) #193 Ray Guy


Dixie - year 1969 ties up with what I recollect.

Also see# 43 Jerry Lancaster (as seen on this site recently).

I also have Raymond Guy - Orpin Greeves 27th October 1968 Brands Hatch Kentish 100 as #166 in the 1st heat of he 'Hartley Trophy Race' solo M/Cs over 100cc and not over 250cc' as is again Jeremy lancaster #146 in heat 2..

Regards

Edited by tonyed, 07 February 2013 - 17:34.


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Posted 12 February 2013 - 11:33

Just found a 1974 H Dugdale Motors Yamaha spares catalogue.

TR3/TD3 Crankshaft complete £75.00
TR3 cylinder barrel £45.50
TR3 piston £5.25
TR3/TD3 Crankshaft rebuild – new centre mains, oil seals, rods, big end assy, reassembled and trued £31.50
TR3/TD3 expansion chambers £16.00

Yamaha 4LS front wheel complete with rim and spokes £97.00, rear wheel £79.50

Girling hydraulic steering damper with fittings £5.00

I phoned the BT switchboard to be contacted to Helsby 2692 but I couldn’t get through to the switchboard despite pressing the phone hook repeatedly.

There does not appear to be an e-mail or web site address anyware on the catalogue.

Does Hector not want the business? :confused:


#22170 GD66

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:28

Ah yeah,well anyway..... I spotted an email address for Keith Williams and shot him a note re his Orpin Greeves. This is what Keith wrote back..

"I purchased a new Greeves from Comerfords Ltd (via Greeves) in 1966. Reg Orpin advertised a conversion for 167.00 pounds. Watercooled cylinder, aircooled head with an LE Velo rad mounted behind the engine with 2 air scoops and hoses to feed the air.



Here's a pic of the Orpin conversion Keith has sent me :
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#22171 Herr Wankel

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 13:43

Just found a 1974 H Dugdale Motors Yamaha spares catalogue.

TR3/TD3 Crankshaft complete £75.00
TR3 cylinder barrel £45.50
TR3 piston £5.25
TR3/TD3 Crankshaft rebuild – new centre mains, oil seals, rods, big end assy, reassembled and trued £31.50
TR3/TD3 expansion chambers £16.00

Yamaha 4LS front wheel complete with rim and spokes £97.00, rear wheel £79.50

Girling hydraulic steering damper with fittings £5.00

I phoned the BT switchboard to be contacted to Helsby 2692 but I couldn’t get through to the switchboard despite pressing the phone hook repeatedly.

There does not appear to be an e-mail or web site address anyware on the catalogue.

Does Hector not want the business? :confused:


Have you tried HM Prison Service, Tony ? :drunk:

HW



#22172 tonyed

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 17:55

Have you tried HM Prison Service, Tony ? :drunk:

HW


Oh :( surely not the 'Snout King of 'D' Wing' :smoking:

#22173 Herr Wankel

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 18:45

Oh :( surely not the 'Snout King of 'D' Wing' :smoking:


The very same

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#22174 dixie

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 19:03

Here's a pic of the Orpin conversion Keith has sent me :
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Seeing that photograph, did anyone else out there have the internal part of the rev counter drive shear off resulting in an expensive gearbox disaster?

#22175 picblanc

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 23:28

Who is this?

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#22176 Robin127

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 01:27

Who is this?

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The leathers look similar to some in the earlier pic of the Belgian GP at Spa, so.........

Jerry Lancaster?


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:34

:clap: :clap: Yes Robin its Jerry......stand by for a couple more WWW that might be Jerry as well! :D

#22178 StanN

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 15:27

Hi Glenn, Thanks for posting the photo of Keith’s Orpin Greeves. I see that Reg Orpin did the same modification to the footrest hanger frame loop as Peter Williams did to fit the LE Velocette radiator, but Peter went further and removed the rest of the loop as part of his modifications to move the footrests position, reduce seat height and the frontal area. Keith’s frame looks pretty standard except for that one modification.
We are up to our necks in snow here still, but when I can get my Silverstone out of the workshop I will take a couple of photos and post here, assuming I can work the intricacies of posting these. :)
Stan

Edited by StanN, 14 February 2013 - 15:28.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 15:40

Hi folks ,
Its time to pick your team again for the MCN fantasy league MCN Fantasy League I have also started a league called Old Farts if anyone would like to join. The pin is 12060

Edited by andyb1963, 20 February 2013 - 15:42.


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#22180 tonyed

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 17:19

:clap: :clap: Yes Robin its Jerry......stand by for a couple more WWW that might be Jerry as well! :D


WWW

Jerry Lancaster :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Just in case you forgot to post them :well: :well: :well: :well: :well:

#22181 RC162

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 18:46

Hi folks ,
Its time to pick your team again for the MCN fantasy league MCN Fantasy League I have also started a league called Old Farts if anyone would like to join. The pin is 12060


Nice one. All done.

#22182 Classicpics

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 20:45

Nice one. All done.


OK joined again 3rd year I think. Thanks.

My team name, as usual, pinched from Spike Milligan: R Slicker

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 12:29

OK joined again 3rd year I think. Thanks.

My team name, as usual, pinched from Spike Milligan: R Slicker

Thanks mate The more the merrier :wave:

#22184 SgtPepperoni

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 18:07

Where is Russel? Been a while since he posted. Hope all is well Russ.

#22185 RC162

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 10:27

As my previous posts. There was at least one other Orpin glycol cooled Silverstone raced by Ray Guy at club events during the very early 70s.
I bought my Chat Greeves Silverstone around August 1970 from Martin Harrison and during 1971 Ray had his Orpin Greeves at circuits such as Snetterton and probably Brands Hatch at this time.


Here's a picture taken by my friend Keith Gibbons at an early CRMC meeting at Cadwell in what we think is 1984 of a Greeves owned by a father and son. Tale is that the father was a Professor of some kind and that the bike was pretty quick. Anyone recognise it ?

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 00:39

Here's a picture taken by my friend Keith Gibbons at an early CRMC meeting at Cadwell in what we think is 1984 of a Greeves owned by a father and son. Tale is that the father was a Professor of some kind and that the bike was pretty quick. Anyone recognise it ?

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I think that might be the one raced by Martin Studer. He won a bunch of CRMC races on it in the early 80's.

#22187 ShakenNstirred

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 18:44

found this thread the other day, been a great read, love all the old pictures they bring back a lot of memory's
2 pictures from me, taken with an old instamatic

Mick grant getting a bump-start in the donington pits
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Alex George's TZ750, this was a great day for me as kid, he asked me to help him set the carb balance on this bike
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#22188 Matthias

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 08:04

No reed valve intake, quite a beastie.

#22189 SgtPepperoni

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 08:29

No reed valve intake, quite a beastie.

Sadly, I never got to ride the cantilever 750, although I did have a go once on a 1976 model 700 with twin shocks and flat pipes. Very fast in a straight line but a bit of a camel through the twisty bits, so the single shock 750 must have been a vast improvement in the handling department. In hindsight, those flat pipes must have cost an awful amount of horsepower, so the extra 50cc and correct pipes would have been quite a boost. Altogether a vastly superior machine I imagine.

#22190 picblanc

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 21:01

WWW?
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#22191 GD66

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 22:21

Brian Kemp, Mick Andrew and Charlie Sanby chasing a mystery guest into Druids.

#22192 picblanc

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 22:57

I dunno Glenn, its one of Mick Robinsons photos hope he tells us!

#22193 Russell Burrows

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 22:58

The hairpin at Lydden around 68/9. Sanby, Andrew, Kemp chasing Michal Dix on his Chat Yam ?

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 00:14

The hairpin at Lydden around 68/9. Sanby, Andrew, Kemp chasing Michal Dix on his Chat Yam ?


Yes I go along whith that Bill Lawrence

#22195 dixie

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 13:24

Yes I go along whith that Bill Lawrence

Sorry guys, agreed it does look a bit Chat Yamaha-ish but it's not me.

#22196 Mick Robinson

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 11:25

[quote name='picblanc' date='Mar 6 2013, 21:01' post='6155309']
WWW?
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20 Jerry Lancaster, 5 Mick Andrew,6 Charlie Sanby and 80 Brian Kemp in the 1968 "Lord of Lydden"Jerry is riding his newly acquired ex Derek Chatterton TD1B.I only know as Jerry identified them for me this morning, I'm not old enough to know who they are !!!




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Posted 08 March 2013 - 11:51

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20 Jerry Lancaster, 5 Mick Andrew,6 Charlie Sanby and 80 Brian Kemp in the 1968 "Lord of Lydden"Jerry is riding his newly acquired ex Derek Chatterton TD1B.I only know as Jerry identified them for me this morning, I'm not old enough to know who they are !!!

I wonder why the Chat Yamaha didn't use the original fairing which was more attractive and probably just as functional IMO? Any idea Dixie?
Gotta love Brain Kemp' s TD1C. I had a real soft spot for that particular Yamaha model. :clap:

#22198 dixie

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 19:02

I wonder why the Chat Yamaha didn't use the original fairing which was more attractive and probably just as functional IMO? Any idea Dixie?
Gotta love Brain Kemp' s TD1C. I had a real soft spot for that particular Yamaha model. :clap:

:confused: No idea. I guess the only person who could answer that would be Mr. Chatterton.

#22199 ShakenNstirred

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 19:05

Kenny on the full factory Yamaha OW48? in 1978.
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Photo Copyrighted to Graham Etheridge.

But what was Ron Haslam riding here, as the TZ500G did not arrive till 1980? here he is in 1978 @ the Silverstone GP.
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Photo Copyrighted to Graham Etheridge.

running TZ250 top ends no doubt

on the Roberts pic, as its 1978 it will be a 0W35K the 0W48 was 1980

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#22200 Paul Collins

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 21:14

Yep i'd say TZ250 top ends on a TZ750, a cheap way of getting a 500 together, but from those that tried them a power band resembling a light switch.