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[Nanice]

Hello

I am new on this forum and hope you'll be able to help me. I am Jean Heurtaux's grand daughter. I never knew him obviously as he died in a car accident when he won the race of Planfoy in Saint Etienne when my mother was a child
I am trying to find information and pictures about him. So if you have or know anything, please let me know, because I don't even know if he won many races!!

Many thanks!!!!!

Nanice

[Jean L]

You can found photos and text of the race and the accident in:"Histoire du sport automobile forézien 1891-1960 tome1" by Frédéric Reydellet .
Published in 1989 by Studio Frédéric Reydellet,Le Fontainebleau 46 bis Boulevard Jules-Janin 42 000 Saint-Etienne.
His car at the Planfoy hill climb was Jaguar XKC 035.

[Nanice]

Many thanks Jean!!!

Do you know anything else about him?

[Jean L]

I just remember to have read this history in this book.It is say that he was recordman of Alger-Le Cap and winner of the 12 heures d'Hyères*.
Looking at the story of the Jaguar XKC 035 in "Jaguar sports racing cars" by Phil Porter,I found:
1953 Soleil Cannes Rally**;Mille Miglia,accompagned by Madame Heaurteaux (sic) as co-driver (Capt Crespin*** failed to arrive in time),completed course but unplaced;Planfoy hillclimb,StEtienne,broke record but Heaurtaux (sic) crashed fatally after finish.
In Orsini Mille Miglia book:1953:n°623 Heartaux J.(sic)-Millo S. Jaguar

* 8/6/52 12 heures d'Hyères:Heurtaux/Crespin Jaguar 1st
** 29/3/53,2/4/53 Rallye Soleil Cannes Heurtaux/Mlle Millo
*** Capitaine Marceau Créspin I presume.

[Nanice]

I asked my mother to buy the book. Thanks again.
By the way, he wasn't with his wife. My grand mother was trying to divorce because he had too many mistresses....

[Hieronymus]

Nanice

Also ask at this French language forum, if you wish. I am sure someone there will have more details:

http://www.autodiva....ewforum.php?f=2

[Carles Bosch]

On Jean Heurtaux, I've found a few results through my database:

- '50 Liège Rome Liège, #26, Jean? Heurtaux & Huppert, Simca, DNF
- '52 Rallye Monte-Carlo, #40, 3998 TT 1Y, J.H. & Col. Marceau Crespin, Jaguar Mark VII, 6th o/a
- '52 Rallye Lyon-Charbonnières, #142, 1587 TT 1Y, J.H. & Col. Marceau Crespin, Jaguar XK120 Roadster, DNF (roll over)
- '52 Stella Alpina, J.H., Jaguar XK120, 3rd o/a
- '52 Liège Rome Liège, #35, J.H. & Col. Marceau Crespin, Jaguar 3.4-l. XK120?, DNF
- '52 Tour de France, Molinelli & Jean? Heurtaux, Porsche 356 1500, 54th o/a
- '53 Rallye Monte-Carlo, #107, Col. Marceau Crespin & J.H., Delahaye 235, 116th ex.aequo o/a
- '53 Rallye Soleil Cannes, #563, 887 TT 3X, J.H. & Miss S. Millo, Jaguar XK120C-Type, classified


Carles.

[Nanice]

Merci Carles. Tu sais ou je peux trouver plus de details sur toutes ces courses? Des photos meme?

Je me suis inscrite sur l'autre site. Bon conseil. Merci Hyeronymus

[Nanice]

Sorry I posted it in French. Don't know who speaks french and who doesn't

Thanks for all the answers and the address of the other forum.

Carles, do you know where I could find more details on those races? I'd like to find pictures as well if possible.

[uechtel]

Here you can see him in action, in the Monaco race of 1952, driving the Veritas-BMW #24 (third car in the picture)



From what you wrote it seems needless to ask for the circumstances how he came into the cockpit of that car. But perhaps you have some more in your family album?

[raceannouncer2003]

Does Allen Lloyd still own Jaguar XKC 035?

Vince H.

[Nanice]

Thanks Uetchel for this picture.

M grand father went to a very good french school. He was major of Supelec. When he got out, he became a soldier and that's when he met my grand mother, in Nice. I don't know how much he loved her because he pretty much married her for money. Once he became rich, he started to have affairs and race. He also sold cigarettes in the black market. Apparently he illegaly earned a lot of money but put everything in switzerland and my grand mother was never able to get it back.
Unfortunately it seems all the pictures were lost, and my mother only have a picture of him with a uniform on.

[Nanni Dietrich]

Hello Nanice, this is the page that the Motorsport Memorial dedicated to your grand-father:

http://www.motorspor...hp?db=ct&n=1258

[Tim Murray]

A snippet I've just come across in a contemporary Autosport magazine: at the 1953 running of the 12 Hours of Hyères (which Jean Heurtaux had won the previous year) a special trophy named after him was awarded. Also, at the end of the race a minute's silence was observed, to honour both his memory and that of Pierre Pagnibon who had lost his life in the race itself.

[Nanice]

Thanks Tim

What is this magazine?

[Tim Murray]

Nanice, it is a British motor sport magazine, published weekly. It was founded in 1950 and is still going, although most of us on this forum think that it is not nearly as good as it used to be. :

[Frank Verplanken]

Originally posted by Nanice
My grand father went to a very good french school. He was major of Supelec. When he got out, he became a soldier and that's when he met my grand mother, in Nice.

The Supelec and army part might explain the link with Capitaine Crespin. Crespin later became a Colonel and also the equivalent of French minister for sports (early 60s).

I can add a few results for Jean Heurtaux :

1952 Apr. 27, Coupes de Printemps, Montlhéry, Production cars race : 1st 2000cc class (Porsche)
1952 May 26, 12 Heures de Casablance, DNA with Marceau Crespin (Jaguar)
1952 Sep. 16, Tour de France Automobile : 54th, with Molinelli (Porsche 936)
1952 Sep. 28, Circuit d'Agen : 5th (Jaguar XK120)

A Daniel Heurtaux raced various Panhard and Renault cars in the late 1960s - any relation ?

I'm in Nice too Nanice - did you check the local archives for information ? Lots of periodicals there http://www.nice.fr/m...e_nice_776.html

[eukie]

Another photo from the german report (Christophorus 3/1952) about the 12 heures at Hyères 1952. The caption says that it shows some kind of prize giving ceremony immediately after the race - the Jaguar in the background is the Heurteaux/Crespin- car.

[DaisyDugan]

I realize this thread is quite old, wandering if Nanice is still active here.  I have recently acquired my father's photos he took in Italy when he was a TRUST trooper in Trieste 1952-1953.  Among the photos are some of the Mille Miglia '53 and one photo of Jean and Susanna Heurtaux in car #623. 

 

[nexfast]

I realize this thread is quite old, wandering if Nanice is still active here.  I have recently acquired my father's photos he took in Italy when he was a TRUST trooper in Trieste 1952-1953.  Among the photos are some of the Mille Miglia '53 and one photo of Jean and Susanna Heurtaux in car #623. 

Indeed it is an old thread and Nanice is not probably around anymore but just in case, a photo of Jean Heurtaux can be found here:

 

https://revslib.stan...1446505125571[event_ssi][]=Monaco+Grand+Prix+Sports+Cars&page=2&per_page=100

 

According to the caption it is the Monaco GP of 1952. No doubt it is Monte Carlo but oddily enough his name is not in the list of participants in the 1952 race other sources mention. A support race?

[Tim Murray]

It was indeed a support race. The big cars (over 2 litres) ran in the main Grand Prix. The smaller classes (2 litres and under) ran in the Prix de Monte Carlo, held the day before the main event. It was while practising for this event that Luigi Fagioli had his ultimately fatal accident.

Jean Heurtaux drove a Veritas in this event, being classified 15th although apparently not running at the finish:

http://www.wsrp.cz/n...amp1952.html#23

[nexfast]

It was indeed a support race. The big cars (over 2 litres) ran in the main Grand Prix. The smaller classes (2 litres and under) ran in the Prix de Monte Carlo, held the day before the main event. It was while practising for this event that Luigi Fagioli had his ultimately fatal accident.

Jean Heurtaux drove a Veritas in this event, being classified 15th although apparently not running at the finish:

http://www.wsrp.cz/n...amp1952.html#23

 

Thanks, Tim, for clarifying.