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[Makarias]

Pole position: 97.555 seconds by Sebastian Vettel

Italy results

Name			  Total Precision Top8 Driver  Time 

Kooper			  [b]10[/b]	 0	  10	 0	 92.997

Apex				 [b]8[/b]	 0	   8	 0	 93.028

dnbn				 [b]6[/b]	 0	   6	 0	 91.462

D82				  [b]5[/b]	 0	   5	 0	 83.210

Estwald			  [b]4[/b]	 0	   4	 0	 83.208

scheivlak			[b]3[/b]	 0	   3	 0	 83.119

Frogman			  [b]2[/b]	 0	   2	 0	 83.064

Crazy Canuck		 [b]1[/b]	 0	   1	 0	 83.063

AcuraF1			  [b]0[/b]	 0	   0	 0	 82.890

boost				[b]0[/b]	 0	   0	 0	 82.888

brunopascal		  [b]0[/b]	 0	   0	 0	 82.888

dank				 [b]0[/b]	 0	   0	 0	 82.826

estoril85			[b]0[/b]	 0	   0	 0	 82.809

fisichella_2001	  [b]0[/b]	 0	   0	 0	 82.799

garth_b			  [b]0[/b]	 0	   0	 0	 82.746

italiansdoitbetter   [b]0[/b]	 0	   0	 0	 82.741

kismet			   [b]0[/b]	 0	   0	 0	 82.735

KWSN - DSM		   [b]0[/b]	 0	   0	 0	 82.727

LB				   [b]0[/b]	 0	   0	 0	 82.973

Makarias			 [b]0[/b]	 0	   0	 0	 82.711

MattFoster		   [b]0[/b]	 0	   0	 0	 82.650

mimin				[b]0[/b]	 0	   0	 0	 82.621

shays				[b]0[/b]	 0	   0	 0	 82.455

THE HUMAN MAN		[b]0[/b]	 0	   0	 0	 82.415

ville				[b]0[/b]	 0	   0	 0	 82.388

Xig				  [b]0[/b]	 0	   0	 0	 82.005

Apex cunningly edited his guess to wet after practice, and thus got well into the Top Eight points.
With a bit more smarts he woulda guessed further away from Kooper, so the 0.1 second penalty wouldn't have put him in second...
Obviously the results really can't get worse than this, as nothing but the ever-present Top Eight points was awarded.

The entries

The stats list:

[b] 

	  <--Reality-->   Number			<-Time Guesses->  <---------Driver Guesses---------> 

	   Pole   Pole	  Of	 Average  Too   Spot  Too   Guessed	% Of	Driver   Drivers

GP	 Time  Driver   Entries  Score	Fast   On   Slow   Right   Guessers  Value	Guessed  

[/b]   

OZ	86.714  Hami	  41	   6.585	31	 0	10	 9	   21.9	   2	   4

MAL   95.748  Mass	  40	   5.825	20	 0	20	 3		7.5	   3	   6

BAH   93.096  Kubi	  36	   6.694	15	 0	21	 2		5.5	   4	   5

ESP   81.813  Räik	  38	   8.657	17	 0	21	11	   28.9	   3	   6

TUR   87.617  Mass	  35	   8.171	 8	 0	27	25	   71.4	   2	   4

MON   75.787  Mass	  35	   6.171	 2	 0	33	 2		5.7	   2	   7

CAN   77.886  Hami	  34	   3.852	33	 0	 1	15	   44.1	   5	   4

FRA   76.449  Räik	  34	   4.529	33	 0	 1	15	   44.1	   3	   5

GB	81.049  Kova	  33	   5.151	24	 0	 9	 0		0.0	   4	   4

GER   75.666  Hami	  30	   7.933	23	 0	 7	14	   46.6	   4	   4

HUN   80.899  Hami	  28	   7.571	24	 0	 4	18	   64.2	   3	   4

EUR   98.989  Mass	  27	   5.518	26	 0	 1	 4	   14.8	   3	   3

BEL  107.338  Hami	  27	   6.407	18	 0	 9	 7	   25.9	   2	   3

ITA   97.555  Vett	  26	   1.500	26	 0	 0	 0		0.0	   5	   4

The only way to get a lower Average Score than this is to have similar freakiness with the weather, plus more players.

The ghost player list:

[b] 

	   <------Popularity Pole------>   <----Fastest Time---->   <----Slowest Time----> 

						Round  Total			 Round  Total			 Round  Total

GP	   Time   Driver  Score  Score	 Time	Score  Score	 Time	Score  Score  

[/b]																					   

OZ	  86.241   Räik	5	   5	  84.000	1	   1	  87.333	5	   5

MAL	 95.510   Hami	5	  10	  86.214	0	   1	 102.754	0	   5

BAH	 93.069   Mass   16	  26	  91.711	1	   2	  93.881	3	   8

ESP	 81.836   Mass   15	  41	  81.511	5	   7	  82.260	4	  12

TUR	 87.649   Mass   22	  63	  85.888	3	  10	  88.029	6	  18

MON	 77.302   Räik	1	  64	  75.588	6	  16	 110.711	0	  18

CAN	 76.138   Hami   12	  76	  75.555	5	  21	  84.500	5	  23

FRA	 76.016   Räik   15	  91	  74.950	4	  25	  95.594	3	  26

GB	  81.149   Hami   14	 105	  79.711	1	  26	  91.200	0	  26

GER	 75.339   Hami   13	 118	  74.000	6	  32	  81.206	4	  30

HUN	 80.381   Hami	7	 125	  79.593	4	  36	  81.288	8	  38

EUR	 97.042   Hami	3	 128	  93.309	1	  37	  99.135   20	  58

BEL	106.221   MaRä	2	 130	  70.000	0	  37	 117.441	0	  58

ITA	 83.901   Hami	5	 135	  82.005	0	  37	  93.028   10	  68

I decided not to include the 0.1s penalty to the Slow entry, as it sort of didn't impose it on itself.
The three rain guesses pulled the PP up to fourth slowest overall.
Note the horrendous total score for Fast, which probably has its last chance to save at least a bit of honour in the hazardous guessing for new circuit Singapore next time.


2008 overall standings

Name			  Total Precision Top8 Driver

Apex			   [b]133[/b]	74	  50	  9

Makarias		   [b]120[/b]	69	  33	 18

fisichella_2001	[b]113[/b]	64	  33	 16

THE HUMAN MAN	  [b]108[/b]	70	  26	 12

Frogman			[b]104[/b]	71	  21	 12

dank			   [b]100[/b]	67	  20	 13

ville			   [b]97[/b]	63	  15	 19

Estwald			 [b]95[/b]	64	  25	  6

scheivlak		   [b]94[/b]	61	  22	 11

Crazy Canuck		[b]93[/b]	60	  25	  8

dnbn				[b]89[/b]	56	  19	 14

D82				 [b]88[/b]	54	  20	 14

Alapan			  [b]84[/b]	61	  15	  8

boost			   [b]83,5[/b]  50	  16,5   17

brunopascal		 [b]82[/b]	60	  11	 11

mimin			   [b]81[/b]	56	  15	 10

MattFoster		  [b]80[/b]	56	  19	  5

shays			   [b]77,5[/b]  62	   8,5	7

Kooper			  [b]76[/b]	48	  19	  9

Xig				 [b]76[/b]	54	  14	  8

LB				  [b]75[/b]	55	   9	 11

garth_b			 [b]74[/b]	52	  11	 11

italiansdoitbetter  [b]67[/b]	46	   7	 14

Moanaman			[b]67[/b]	47	   7	 13

AcuraF1			 [b]65[/b]	47	  10	  8

estoril85		   [b]63[/b]	47	   0	 16

kismet			  [b]58[/b]	52	   0	  6

GTA				 [b]57[/b]	39	   7	 11

KWSN - DSM		  [b]50[/b]	35	   7	  8

SkorbiF1			[b]43[/b]	25	  10	  8

Juan Kerr		   [b]42[/b]	30	   0	 12

rodlamas			[b]38[/b]	33	   3	  2

an1res			  [b]37[/b]	23	  10	  4

paranoik0		   [b]31[/b]	24	   0	  7

race addicted	   [b]30,5[/b]  19	   4,5	7

imaginesix		  [b]30[/b]	22	   3	  5

Atreiu			  [b]26[/b]	13	  10	  3

FlashMaster		 [b]26[/b]	16	  10	  0

Barty			   [b]25[/b]	20	   5	  0

skylark68		   [b]18[/b]	15	   3	  0

1george			 [b]13,5[/b]  11	   2,5	0

gerry nassar		 [b]8[/b]	 6	   0	  2

Formulaonefan		[b]5[/b]	 5	   0	  0

lofoukie			 [b]4[/b]	 4	   0	  0

mindao			   [b]4[/b]	 4	   0	  0

molive			   [b]4[/b]	 4	   0	  0

D.M.N.			   [b]3[/b]	 0	   0	  3

Antti				[b]2[/b]	 2	   0	  0

V8 Fireworks		 [b]1[/b]	 1	   0	  0

Apex clearly pulled away, much to my dismay. But if he keeps on guessing wet, it's far from over yet...

[Kooper]

Just my opinion, but what Apex did was chicken ****. Cheated in other words. Yes, he cut the chicane and didn't give the position back.

What kind of game would this be if everyone did what Apex did? That the rules allow this shows there is a massive flaw in them. This is supposed to be a friendly competition (competitive yes), with everyone trying hard to guess as correctly as possible. Everyone is supposed to be playing on a level field and what Apex did was take an unfair advantage imo.

This whole deal stinks. If Apex wants to win this badly, he can have it. Deduct my score(s) or whatever, I'm out.

Apex * Hamilton * 83.117

[dank]

Whilst I'm not exactly going to throw my toys out of the pram over it (it is only a game on an Internet forum!) it does seem a little bit off to have quite a bit of an advantage in leaving the prediction as late as possible - especially well well after FP2! Why not make cut off for predictions or amendments up until FP1. Anything submitted after that won't be counted?

[THE HUMAN MAN]

Now I know this is only an online game but Apex clearly broke the rules and yet he wasn't even punished! If you break the rules, you should be disqualified, he gained a clear advantage from entering a late entry and should be treated accordingly, The fact that he is in 1st overall is even worse. If he wins this championship because of the points he got by cheating it would be a very unfortunate end to an otherwise good game.

[Makarias]

There's no need for anyone to be upset with Apex over this imo. What he did was 100% within the rules and if it wasn't, he wouldn't have scored a single point. So I gather that everyones beef is about the rule that allows entries or changes submitted after FP1 with a bit of penalty. I fully agree that this rule doesn't work well, and I will scrap it entirely from 2009 onwards, in favour of a hard deadline at start of FP1.
I will however NOT be tampering with the rules mid-season, and I will NOT change anything about this weekend's result. End Of.

Thank you for your attention.

[Crazy Canuck]

Well, now that we all know and understand the rules....




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