Jarno Trulli a weak man
#1
Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:32
This is not the first time he has looked destroyed after (or during) the race. Remember a few years ago he struggled to get up to the podium after the race in Germany whereas other drivers looked reasonably fit.
Today he is blaming the car but I think his body failed him again. Looks like his body is optimized to operate in a narrow set of optimal parameters just like F1 cars
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#2
Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:34
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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:35
#4
Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:40
Originally posted by race addicted
I find it strange, 'cause he's done the New York marathon in under 4 hours. He atleast used to have great stamina. I guess that was a long time ago.
I've done four Sydney marathons in under 4 hours and I smoke 25 a day and drink way too much. Don't read too much into the marathon thing. I surely couldn't pedal an F1 car around Singapore for 2 hours.
Jarno isn't weak. Perhaps his fitness wasn't geared for the heat and high humidity of Singapore. All the drivers looked stuffed, quite rightly, that was seriously hard yakka.
#5
Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:40
Today all drivers looked fatigued but only Trulli failed spectacularly. Perhaps he needs to get some blood work done and get tested for hormone etc. Could be some long term health issue....
Today we also got to see the famous Trulli train. :
#6
Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:43
#7
Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:43
Originally posted by armchair expert
I've done four Sydney marathons in under 4 hours and I smoke 25 a day and drink way too much. Don't read too much into the marathon thing. I surely couldn't pedal an F1 car around Singapore for 2 hours.
Jarno isn't weak. Perhaps his fitness wasn't geared for the heat and high humidity of Singapore. All the drivers looked stuffed, quite rightly, that was seriously hard yakka.
I'm not an expert on training or stamina, but I know some, and I thought doing the marathon in around 3:40 was a mark of a well-trained sportsman.
But I guess not....
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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:46
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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:46
#10
Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:48
Originally posted by primer
This is not the first time he has looked destroyed after (or during) the race. Remember a few years ago he struggled to get up to the podium after the race in Germany whereas other drivers looked reasonably fit.
Today he is blaming the car but I think his body failed him again. Looks like his body is optimized to operate in a narrow set of optimal parameters just like F1 cars
:yawn:
The Toyota was clearly suffering on a high fuel load. The commentators pointed out that without Trulli there might not have been any overtaking.
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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:52
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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:57
#13
Posted 28 September 2008 - 15:22
Originally posted by Atreiu
I think he's been in F1 too long.
Nope. Others like Schumacher or Coulthard heve been in there longer, still no physical weaknesses.
#14
Posted 28 September 2008 - 15:25
Oh, and BTW-there are no weak men in F1
#15
Posted 28 September 2008 - 15:25
#16
Posted 28 September 2008 - 15:55
#17
Posted 28 September 2008 - 15:56
Originally posted by Bernd Rosemeyer
Nope. Others like Schumacher or Coulthard heve been in there longer, still no physical weaknesses.
I was not talking about his fitness, but about his talent combained with results and age. I think he's been around for too long, he's been there since slicks...
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Posted 28 September 2008 - 15:57
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Posted 28 September 2008 - 16:00
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Posted 28 September 2008 - 16:07
#21
Posted 28 September 2008 - 16:09
Originally posted by doggy
Another bullshit by yet a known Trulli hater. I thought JT did well considering that he had to drive harder than all the 2-stoppers he's racing with (he even jumped a couple of the lighter ones at the start. Heavier cars take more out of the driver, especially in this particular condition I suppose.
I don't hate Trulli, I just don't think he's all that good in the race itself...
#22
Posted 28 September 2008 - 16:14
Originally posted by primer
This is not the first time he has looked destroyed after (or during) the race. Remember a few years ago he struggled to get up to the podium after the race in Germany whereas other drivers looked reasonably fit.
Today he is blaming the car but I think his body failed him again. Looks like his body is optimized to operate in a narrow set of optimal parameters just like F1 cars
Weaker still is someone who, presumably, hasn't driven an F1 car, especially in these conditions criticises someone giving it their all. Granted, he is a professional F1 driver, specifically trained. How's life in your comfortable armchair?
#23
Posted 28 September 2008 - 16:14
Originally posted by primer
This is not the first time he has looked destroyed after (or during) the race. Remember a few years ago he struggled to get up to the podium after the race in Germany whereas other drivers looked reasonably fit.
You never saw Nigel Mansell after a GP?
#24
Posted 28 September 2008 - 16:15
Originally posted by primer
This is not the first time he has looked destroyed after (or during) the race. Remember a few years ago he struggled to get up to the podium after the race in Germany whereas other drivers looked reasonably fit.
Today he is blaming the car but I think his body failed him again. Looks like his body is optimized to operate in a narrow set of optimal parameters just like F1 cars
What unmitigated tosh - It is much harder to drive a bad car than a good one. In any sport the beaten seem much more tired than the winners. Remember he was driving a car so loaded with fuel it ran about 60% of the race before he stopped, and I can tell you from experience (at a minor level) to fend off a train of faster cars for lap after lap is bloody hard work!
#25
Posted 28 September 2008 - 16:18
Originally posted by cheapracer
You never saw Nigel Mansell after a GP?
I think that was mostly "acting"...
#26
Posted 28 September 2008 - 16:27
And remember Alonso a couple of years ago in Malaysia when he had to crouch down on the podium during the anthems? I thought he was gonna pass out on the podium.
#27
Posted 29 September 2008 - 02:27
Originally posted by OssieFan
Weaker still is someone who, presumably, hasn't driven an F1 car, especially in these conditions criticises someone giving it their all. Granted, he is a professional F1 driver, specifically trained. How's life in your comfortable armchair?
That's precisely the thing. Jarno is not competing against me, but other F1 drivers. And while all looked tired and exhausted, others did longer race than Jarno and were in relatively better shape.
JT's training regimen and entire lifestyle needs to analyzed by experienced specialists and modified to fix this.
#28
Posted 29 September 2008 - 02:47
Originally posted by sopa
If Trulli doesn't deserve to be in F1, then half of the drivers should retire with him.
Maybe not half, but...
Trulli, Fisichella, Barrichello, Sutil should be gone for sure. Webber and Heidfeld maybe... Coulthard is already gone and I'm not sure about Nakajima yet.
Anybody else?
#29
Posted 29 September 2008 - 04:12
Honestly, I agree no weak men in F1. I think it is hard even just to walk around in the heat and humidity of Singapore. That is why Hotels are adjoined to shopping malls, that have walkways to the MRT stations so if you plan your route well you can get about without even stepping out of the airconditioning.
#30
Posted 29 September 2008 - 04:57
Originally posted by race addicted
I'm not an expert on training or stamina, but I know some, and I thought doing the marathon in around 3:40 was a mark of a well-trained sportsman.
But I guess not....
3 hours would be an excellent run. Mine have been between 3:38 & 3:53.
I'm not sure how you prepare for a race in the stifling humidity of Singapore. Set up a treadmill in a sauna?
#31
Posted 29 September 2008 - 07:25
Originally posted by stevewf1
Maybe not half, but...
Trulli, Fisichella, Barrichello, Sutil should be gone for sure. Webber and Heidfeld maybe... Coulthard is already gone and I'm not sure about Nakajima yet.
Anybody else?
IMHO besides the names you mentioned Button, Bourdais, Rosberg, Kovalainen and of course Piquet aren't better than Trulli either. So Trulli is as good or better than at least half of the grid, if not more. Why should he leave and others keep going? And would you really like to see a lot of rookies next year in F1 as most of them won't be even close to Trulli's level? Out of all rookies we have seen during the last 3 seasons I would say only Hamilton, Vettel and Kubica are definetely better than Trulli - this makes one rookie per season.
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Posted 29 September 2008 - 07:35
#33
Posted 29 September 2008 - 08:05
#34
Posted 29 September 2008 - 08:15
Originally posted by kodandaram
To be fair everybody looked winded yesterday. Trulli prolly got the most exposure coz the cam was in the pits when he retired. The others looked equally stuffed on the podium - Didn't Alonso drink four glasses of water in the PC ?
Alonso's water bottle in the car didn't work, that's why he looked that way when he got out of the car ;)
And I don't think Trulli is "weak". These men are athletes. Even in a sport as tough as cycling, any champion fit to run 8 hours races can lose it and have to stop in the middle of one.
#35
Posted 29 September 2008 - 09:53
Originally posted by primer
This is not the first time he has looked destroyed after (or during) the race. Remember a few years ago he struggled to get up to the podium after the race in Germany whereas other drivers looked reasonably fit.
Today he is blaming the car but I think his body failed him again. Looks like his body is optimized to operate in a narrow set of optimal parameters just like F1 cars
what a load of bollocks! I suggest you should see a shrink, the sooner the better, because this is a really serious diagnosis
the whole problem is that the cameras switched to jarno immediately after someone had put a soaked towel on his head, thus making an impression jarno was dehydrated or something...
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:42
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#40
Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:43
Originally posted by postajegenye
I think the one who will be struggling tomorrow is Alonso.
Fernando Alonso has got ear infection and is ill, so he will definitely struggle.
While I like to see Toyota finally being competetive, I just hope Jarno's fitness doesn't let him down in race. They are so close to first victory.
#41
Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:43
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#43
Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:51
However, Jarno is by no way a weak man. He was 2nd in 2005 and 4th in 2008, in blistering heat in Sepang, showing no signs of not being able to cope with the hottest race on the calendar. Expect him to do strong tomorrow, if anything happens to the Brawns or to Rosberg or Webber, something very nice might be on the cards...
#44
Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:59
Originally posted by primer
Fernando Alonso has got ear infection and is ill, so he will definitely struggle.
I know, that's why I wrote it.
#45
Posted 04 April 2009 - 11:01
Originally posted by Slowinfastout
It's much easier on the body to be knocked out after Q1... that way you still look fresh if a camera catches you!
Oh well, that explains the Ferrari/Massa fiasco.
#46
Posted 04 April 2009 - 11:07
Originally posted by primer
This is not the first time he has looked destroyed after (or during) the race. Remember a few years ago he struggled to get up to the podium after the race in Germany whereas other drivers looked reasonably fit.
Today he is blaming the car but I think his body failed him again. Looks like his body is optimized to operate in a narrow set of optimal parameters just like F1 cars
Like everyone else, he lost a ton of fluids during the session. After that, first thing everyone does, is drink a ton of isotonic fluid, or just plain mineral water. This has the instant effect of sweating like a horse after the derby of epsom, and takes its toll on the heart, which shows badly from the outside, so I wouldn' say he is in a bad condition. Anyway, if they wouldn't be in top condition, they'd just faint out of the cockpit after 10 minutes in those conditions.
#47
Posted 04 April 2009 - 11:14
#48
Posted 04 April 2009 - 11:20
A couple of years ago at the USGP it was 37C and he drove a great race, if anything he is a driver who excels in the heat - Sepang is one of his best circuits.
He is only around 60kg and is one of the lightest drivers on the grid. He should be on for a good result tomorrow.
#49
Posted 04 April 2009 - 11:22
One problem may be that Jarno sweats a lot more than other drivers, this is not due to his fitness level, but some bodies naturally sweat more than others.
#50
Posted 04 April 2009 - 12:40
Some people are more prone to be exhausted when humidity is high.Originally posted by primer
Fernando Alonso has got ear infection and is ill, so he will definitely struggle.
While I like to see Toyota finally being competetive, I just hope Jarno's fitness doesn't let him down in race. They are so close to first victory.
I remember when I arrived the first time in Hongkong. It was July. It wasn't hotter than in Switzerland, but the humidity made me feel like I did run into a wall. I went showering and 5 minutes later I needed the next one. I've adjusted over the years living in tropical climate but still I've seen since many others that had a hard time to adjust. Human metabolism. It mostly depends how someones body reacts to high humidity. I suspect Trulli's body can't cope quick enough. I haven't heard of a remedy for that, except having enough time to adjust.
In the past there was a gap between Melbourne and Malaysia. Some drivers came early and got accustomed to the climate. That's not the case anymore.