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#1 primer

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:32

:down:

This is not the first time he has looked destroyed after (or during) the race. Remember a few years ago he struggled to get up to the podium after the race in Germany whereas other drivers looked reasonably fit.

Today he is blaming the car but I think his body failed him again. Looks like his body is optimized to operate in a narrow set of optimal parameters just like F1 cars :lol:

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#2 race addicted

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:34

I find it strange, 'cause he's done the New York marathon in under 4 hours. He atleast used to have great stamina. I guess that was a long time ago.

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:35

I think he's been in F1 too long.

#4 armchair expert

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:40

Originally posted by race addicted
I find it strange, 'cause he's done the New York marathon in under 4 hours. He atleast used to have great stamina. I guess that was a long time ago.


I've done four Sydney marathons in under 4 hours and I smoke 25 a day and drink way too much. Don't read too much into the marathon thing. I surely couldn't pedal an F1 car around Singapore for 2 hours.

Jarno isn't weak. Perhaps his fitness wasn't geared for the heat and high humidity of Singapore. All the drivers looked stuffed, quite rightly, that was seriously hard yakka.

#5 primer

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:40

Well how does the physiological demands of a marathon compare to singapore type hard race? I do not know, but really his body lets him down. His training should have been modified a long time ago to fix this.

Today all drivers looked fatigued but only Trulli failed spectacularly. Perhaps he needs to get some blood work done and get tested for hormone etc. Could be some long term health issue....

Today we also got to see the famous Trulli train. :

#6 Risil

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:43

'Cause that sure hurt Nelson Piquet's speed, didn't it? He could probably have won, oh, 6 world titles if only he'd kept himself in shape. :rolleyes:

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:43

Originally posted by armchair expert


I've done four Sydney marathons in under 4 hours and I smoke 25 a day and drink way too much. Don't read too much into the marathon thing. I surely couldn't pedal an F1 car around Singapore for 2 hours.

Jarno isn't weak. Perhaps his fitness wasn't geared for the heat and high humidity of Singapore. All the drivers looked stuffed, quite rightly, that was seriously hard yakka.


I'm not an expert on training or stamina, but I know some, and I thought doing the marathon in around 3:40 was a mark of a well-trained sportsman.
But I guess not.... :lol:

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:46

His car did not look good today and tbh Alonso looked absolutely f*cked after the race as well. He had a huge fuelload and had to work hard to keep many behind him, so I don't think anyone should really be jumping on his back

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:46

He looked hot, they all did.

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:48

Originally posted by primer
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This is not the first time he has looked destroyed after (or during) the race. Remember a few years ago he struggled to get up to the podium after the race in Germany whereas other drivers looked reasonably fit.

Today he is blaming the car but I think his body failed him again. Looks like his body is optimized to operate in a narrow set of optimal parameters just like F1 cars :lol:



:yawn:

The Toyota was clearly suffering on a high fuel load. The commentators pointed out that without Trulli there might not have been any overtaking. ;)

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:52

Could have been a case of dehydration... How people function when the temperature rises seems to differ a lot regardless of fitness. Personally I can't take heat, my brain just shuts down. A problem with the water bottle could easily explain Trullis problems.

#12 rolf123

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 14:57

How do you not know that he didn't pour a bottle of water on his head before the cameras switched to him?

#13 Bernd Rosemeyer

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 15:22

Originally posted by Atreiu
I think he's been in F1 too long.


Nope. Others like Schumacher or Coulthard heve been in there longer, still no physical weaknesses.

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 15:25

I heard or read somewhere that JT is very very smart. The theory was that he was a great qualifier because he could really concentrate on his breaking points on his hot lap, but that he couldn't (and no one can, so it's not a knock on JT) maintain that level of concentration for an entire race. Evidently he's not so great at "feeling" the car like some of the other drivers so his race pace suffers.

Oh, and BTW-there are no weak men in F1

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 15:25

The "Trulli train" again... I think he has a "mental" weakness - maybe good over one lap, but not in a race.

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 15:55

Another bullshit by yet a known Trulli hater. I thought JT did well considering that he had to drive harder than all the 2-stoppers he's racing with (he even jumped a couple of the lighter ones at the start. Heavier cars take more out of the driver, especially in this particular condition I suppose.

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 15:56

Originally posted by Bernd Rosemeyer


Nope. Others like Schumacher or Coulthard heve been in there longer, still no physical weaknesses.


I was not talking about his fitness, but about his talent combained with results and age. I think he's been around for too long, he's been there since slicks...

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 15:57

His car is doing a one-stopper, so it's pretty heavy compared to the ones he's racing against. Hence the "train". Why are people here so freaking dim?

#19 Phucaigh

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 16:00

Gary Anderson said during the race that Trulli is one of the fittest drivers on the grid, he was doing a good job with the heaviest fuel load, would have finished 5th if the hydraulics had survived.

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 16:07

If Trulli doesn't deserve to be in F1, then half of the drivers should retire with him.

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 16:09

Originally posted by doggy
Another bullshit by yet a known Trulli hater. I thought JT did well considering that he had to drive harder than all the 2-stoppers he's racing with (he even jumped a couple of the lighter ones at the start. Heavier cars take more out of the driver, especially in this particular condition I suppose.


I don't hate Trulli, I just don't think he's all that good in the race itself...

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 16:14

Originally posted by primer
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This is not the first time he has looked destroyed after (or during) the race. Remember a few years ago he struggled to get up to the podium after the race in Germany whereas other drivers looked reasonably fit.

Today he is blaming the car but I think his body failed him again. Looks like his body is optimized to operate in a narrow set of optimal parameters just like F1 cars :lol:


Weaker still is someone who, presumably, hasn't driven an F1 car, especially in these conditions criticises someone giving it their all. Granted, he is a professional F1 driver, specifically trained. How's life in your comfortable armchair? ;)

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 16:14

Originally posted by primer
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This is not the first time he has looked destroyed after (or during) the race. Remember a few years ago he struggled to get up to the podium after the race in Germany whereas other drivers looked reasonably fit.


You never saw Nigel Mansell after a GP?

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 16:15

Originally posted by primer
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This is not the first time he has looked destroyed after (or during) the race. Remember a few years ago he struggled to get up to the podium after the race in Germany whereas other drivers looked reasonably fit.

Today he is blaming the car but I think his body failed him again. Looks like his body is optimized to operate in a narrow set of optimal parameters just like F1 cars :lol:


What unmitigated tosh - It is much harder to drive a bad car than a good one. In any sport the beaten seem much more tired than the winners. Remember he was driving a car so loaded with fuel it ran about 60% of the race before he stopped, and I can tell you from experience (at a minor level) to fend off a train of faster cars for lap after lap is bloody hard work!

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 16:18

Originally posted by cheapracer
You never saw Nigel Mansell after a GP?


I think that was mostly "acting"... ;)

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 16:27

They all looked exhausted, Alonso, Nico too on the podium... Even after yesterday's quali, some drivers looked shattered! There was heat, humidity, it was a long race..

And remember Alonso a couple of years ago in Malaysia when he had to crouch down on the podium during the anthems? I thought he was gonna pass out on the podium.

#27 primer

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 02:27

Originally posted by OssieFan


Weaker still is someone who, presumably, hasn't driven an F1 car, especially in these conditions criticises someone giving it their all. Granted, he is a professional F1 driver, specifically trained. How's life in your comfortable armchair? ;)


That's precisely the thing. Jarno is not competing against me, but other F1 drivers. And while all looked tired and exhausted, others did longer race than Jarno and were in relatively better shape.

JT's training regimen and entire lifestyle needs to analyzed by experienced specialists and modified to fix this.

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 02:47

Originally posted by sopa
If Trulli doesn't deserve to be in F1, then half of the drivers should retire with him.


Maybe not half, but...

Trulli, Fisichella, Barrichello, Sutil should be gone for sure. Webber and Heidfeld maybe... Coulthard is already gone and I'm not sure about Nakajima yet.

Anybody else?

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 04:12

As a Williams fan I thought Jarno did a great job for the wider Toyota team. He held up all the others while Nico scampered away, and even convinced Fisi to help out as well.

Honestly, I agree no weak men in F1. I think it is hard even just to walk around in the heat and humidity of Singapore. That is why Hotels are adjoined to shopping malls, that have walkways to the MRT stations so if you plan your route well you can get about without even stepping out of the airconditioning.

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 04:57

Originally posted by race addicted


I'm not an expert on training or stamina, but I know some, and I thought doing the marathon in around 3:40 was a mark of a well-trained sportsman.
But I guess not.... :lol:


:up: :lol:
3 hours would be an excellent run. Mine have been between 3:38 & 3:53.

I'm not sure how you prepare for a race in the stifling humidity of Singapore. Set up a treadmill in a sauna? ;)

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 07:25

Originally posted by stevewf1


Maybe not half, but...

Trulli, Fisichella, Barrichello, Sutil should be gone for sure. Webber and Heidfeld maybe... Coulthard is already gone and I'm not sure about Nakajima yet.

Anybody else?


IMHO besides the names you mentioned Button, Bourdais, Rosberg, Kovalainen and of course Piquet aren't better than Trulli either. So Trulli is as good or better than at least half of the grid, if not more. Why should he leave and others keep going? And would you really like to see a lot of rookies next year in F1 as most of them won't be even close to Trulli's level? Out of all rookies we have seen during the last 3 seasons I would say only Hamilton, Vettel and Kubica are definetely better than Trulli - this makes one rookie per season.

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 07:35

To be fair everybody looked winded yesterday. Trulli prolly got the most exposure coz the cam was in the pits when he retired. The others looked equally stuffed on the podium - Didn't Alonso drink four glasses of water in the PC ?

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 08:05

Don't think he had a great weekend all toll. Fined 10,000 Euros on Friday, didn't qualify particularly well on Saturday and top it all off, he had his phone nicked outside the paddock by an opportunist thief whilst he was talking to someone.

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 08:15

Originally posted by kodandaram
To be fair everybody looked winded yesterday. Trulli prolly got the most exposure coz the cam was in the pits when he retired. The others looked equally stuffed on the podium - Didn't Alonso drink four glasses of water in the PC ?


Alonso's water bottle in the car didn't work, that's why he looked that way when he got out of the car ;)

And I don't think Trulli is "weak". These men are athletes. Even in a sport as tough as cycling, any champion fit to run 8 hours races can lose it and have to stop in the middle of one.

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 09:53

Originally posted by primer
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This is not the first time he has looked destroyed after (or during) the race. Remember a few years ago he struggled to get up to the podium after the race in Germany whereas other drivers looked reasonably fit.

Today he is blaming the car but I think his body failed him again. Looks like his body is optimized to operate in a narrow set of optimal parameters just like F1 cars :lol:


what a load of bollocks! I suggest you should see a shrink, the sooner the better, because this is a really serious diagnosis :down:

the whole problem is that the cameras switched to jarno immediately after someone had put a soaked towel on his head, thus making an impression jarno was dehydrated or something...

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:38

How do you think Jarno coped with Qualifying today? IMO he needs improvement to fitness, although there is some consolation that tomorrow's race is later in the afternoon, and it might rain so the temperatures won't be as high as past years. :

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:39

Jarno trulli is awesome man :clap:

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:40

I think the one who will be struggling tomorrow is Alonso.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:42

i don't see why he's being called a weak man. Every driver can improve their fitness and their adaptability to different conditions (ie high heat and humity in Malaysia) but it doesn't make him weak. It's not like he's the only one looking hot etc. Would like to see the people calling him weak try doing 1 lap driving an F1 car in normal conditions, let alone driving for 90mins in high heat and humidity.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:43

Originally posted by postajegenye
I think the one who will be struggling tomorrow is Alonso.


Fernando Alonso has got ear infection and is ill, so he will definitely struggle.

While I like to see Toyota finally being competetive, I just hope Jarno's fitness doesn't let him down in race. They are so close to first victory.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:43

He looked in the same condition as Button and both were grinning like Cheshire cats. I suspect he's on for another podium on Sunday.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:45

It's much easier on the body to be knocked out after Q1... that way you still look fresh if a camera catches you!

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:51

Rumour is that the Toyota´s have gone light on fuel (as we will see later, when the weight list is going to be published), so don´t expect miracles.

However, Jarno is by no way a weak man. He was 2nd in 2005 and 4th in 2008, in blistering heat in Sepang, showing no signs of not being able to cope with the hottest race on the calendar. Expect him to do strong tomorrow, if anything happens to the Brawns or to Rosberg or Webber, something very nice might be on the cards...

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:59

Originally posted by primer


Fernando Alonso has got ear infection and is ill, so he will definitely struggle.


I know, that's why I wrote it.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 11:01

Originally posted by Slowinfastout
It's much easier on the body to be knocked out after Q1... that way you still look fresh if a camera catches you!


Oh well, that explains the Ferrari/Massa fiasco.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 11:07

Originally posted by primer
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This is not the first time he has looked destroyed after (or during) the race. Remember a few years ago he struggled to get up to the podium after the race in Germany whereas other drivers looked reasonably fit.

Today he is blaming the car but I think his body failed him again. Looks like his body is optimized to operate in a narrow set of optimal parameters just like F1 cars :lol:


Like everyone else, he lost a ton of fluids during the session. After that, first thing everyone does, is drink a ton of isotonic fluid, or just plain mineral water. This has the instant effect of sweating like a horse after the derby of epsom, and takes its toll on the heart, which shows badly from the outside, so I wouldn' say he is in a bad condition. Anyway, if they wouldn't be in top condition, they'd just faint out of the cockpit after 10 minutes in those conditions. :)

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 11:14

Well the stopwatch seems to think his fitness is OK. Is there any data to actually show his fitness (or lack of) affecting laptimes (eg. getting progressively slower in a hot race when compared with his team mate)???

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 11:20

Trulli explained this last year, he says its the way his body reacts, its natural for him and had nothing to do with fitness.

A couple of years ago at the USGP it was 37C and he drove a great race, if anything he is a driver who excels in the heat - Sepang is one of his best circuits.

He is only around 60kg and is one of the lightest drivers on the grid. He should be on for a good result tomorrow.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 11:22

Lol this topic makes me laugh. Look at you people, making comments pretending that you're all professionals in sports science.

One problem may be that Jarno sweats a lot more than other drivers, this is not due to his fitness level, but some bodies naturally sweat more than others.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 12:40

Originally posted by primer


Fernando Alonso has got ear infection and is ill, so he will definitely struggle.

While I like to see Toyota finally being competetive, I just hope Jarno's fitness doesn't let him down in race. They are so close to first victory.

Some people are more prone to be exhausted when humidity is high.

I remember when I arrived the first time in Hongkong. It was July. It wasn't hotter than in Switzerland, but the humidity made me feel like I did run into a wall. I went showering and 5 minutes later I needed the next one. I've adjusted over the years living in tropical climate but still I've seen since many others that had a hard time to adjust. Human metabolism. It mostly depends how someones body reacts to high humidity. I suspect Trulli's body can't cope quick enough. I haven't heard of a remedy for that, except having enough time to adjust.

In the past there was a gap between Melbourne and Malaysia. Some drivers came early and got accustomed to the climate. That's not the case anymore.