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#51 pino

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 16:28

Originally posted by doggy
Another bullshit by yet a known Trulli hater. I thought JT did well considering that he had to drive harder than all the 2-stoppers he's racing with (he even jumped a couple of the lighter ones at the start. Heavier cars take more out of the driver, especially in this particular condition I suppose.


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#52 Ghostrider

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 16:33

So if someone sweats more than another driver, he is by default weaker?

That does not seem like a foulproof theory.

#53 travbrad

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 16:45

He did look exhausted (even more than the other 2), but he still beat his teammate, and qualified 2nd by an incredibly small margin. So if his fitness is a "problem" it sure isn't showing in the results.

Originally posted by race addicted
I find it strange, 'cause he's done the New York marathon in under 4 hours. He atleast used to have great stamina. I guess that was a long time ago.


You don't pull 5gs sustained in a marathon, and you don't wear a thick heavy race suit ;)


Originally posted by Ghostrider
So if someone sweats more than another driver, he is by default weaker?

That does not seem like a foulproof theory.


Exactly. If anything, that would actually seem to indicate he has a better "cooling system" in his body than the others. In the hunter-gatherer days humans caught animals simply by outrunning them endurance wise (because the animals don't sweat as much/at all)

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 17:04

You actually sweat more the fitter you are. Unless you're obese but I don't think that is an accusation you could level at any F1 driver :)

Anyway, I dare say for a guy in his mid 30s he probably feels it more than Button but I think this thread is a bit OTT.

#55 David M. Kane

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 17:05

I thought Jenson looked fresher than JT, but so what. JB clearly focused on his conditioning in the off-season. It's the bloodly tropics folks.

#56 Ghostrider

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 17:19

Originally posted by travbrad
Exactly. If anything, that would actually seem to indicate he has a better "cooling system" in his body than the others. In the hunter-gatherer days humans caught animals simply by outrunning them endurance wise (because the animals don't sweat as much/at all)


Interesting. :up:

#57 Dalek Caan

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 17:22

Originally posted by David M. Kane
I thought Jenson looked fresher than JT, but so what. JB clearly focused on his conditioning in the off-season. It's the bloodly tropics folks.


But Vettel had even better conditioning imo.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 17:56

Vettel's a child. Children have no endurance.

Nought wrong with Jarno. He's been sweating like that since telling the Melbourne stewards that Hamilton stopped in front of him ;)

#59 VresiBerba

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 17:58

Originally posted by primer
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This is not the first time he has looked destroyed after (or during) the race. Remember a few years ago he struggled to get up to the podium after the race in Germany whereas other drivers looked reasonably fit.

His Renault was rubbish that day though and it was close to 40 degrees in the shade, and he made an heroic effort to hold Shumi behind him almost the whole race. Seeing how Montoya was almost shamefully fresh after the race is also a testament to how difficult it is to have an ill-handling car to an almost perfect one, eventhough Montoya always looked nearly unaffected after the races regardless of temperatures and ill-handling cars.

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#60 kar

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 18:06

Genetics plays a huge factor too. I used to be able to run around in 42-45 degree heat in Adelaide and quite safely run 10km in it. Would be sweating but not excessively. So dry heat, I'm okay.

Watch some people from the equator regions and they struggle with the temperature in Adelaide, sweating quite a lot.

Conversely, me, 30 minutes in Singapore (hell, even a 26+ degree day in England) and even stationary I'm perspiring. My body doesn't take to humidity as it does dry heat.

What I'm saying here is how much a driver has been perspiring has zero correlation with their fitness or amount of effort exerted. There's a huge range of genetic and physiological factors at play.

And the OP is so ludicrously simplistic in his 'analysis' of the situation I'm surprised this thread has gone as far as it has. Or maybe I'm not :)

#61 christoff

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 21:35

Originally posted by G. Piezano
I heard or read somewhere that JT is very very smart. The theory was that he was a great qualifier because he could really concentrate on his breaking points on his hot lap, but that he couldn't (and no one can, so it's not a knock on JT) maintain that level of concentration for an entire race. Evidently he's not so great at "feeling" the car like some of the other drivers so his race pace suffers.

Oh, and BTW-there are no weak men in F1


Don't know if this applies to Trulli but I believe that there are those who are naturals and those that have to work harder and learn, each will reach their peak but who is to say which is higher?

'Watched Sutil today and thought he's not too bad for an 'also ran' driver, then thought who ever is the worst is the worst of the best and in my reckoning that ain't too bad! [Not slagging Sutil, just trying to make a point]

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 22:03

Originally posted by primer
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This is not the first time he has looked destroyed after (or during) the race. Remember a few years ago he struggled to get up to the podium after the race in Germany whereas other drivers looked reasonably fit.

Today he is blaming the car but I think his body failed him again. Looks like his body is optimized to operate in a narrow set of optimal parameters just like F1 cars :lol:


Weak, yet second on the grid after a podium from pit lane in Oz. Just imagine how much he would thrash the field if he was strong?

#63 Lada Lover

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 23:36

Ant D said the driver's heartrate never gets over 155.

#64 VresiBerba

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 05:57

Originally posted by Lada Lover
Ant D said the driver's heartrate never gets over 155.

I think it's a bit more than that actually. During an interview with former Indycar/CART driver Kenny Br├Ąck, he said that during a CART test session they had strapped medical test equipment on Kenny to measure body functions, and his heart rate were constantly at 180 beats per minute and Kenny was extraordinary fit - which was a major contributor why he survived the awful crash at Texas motor speedway in 2003. People don't understand how much work it is to wheel a race-car at those speeds, it's a tremendous strain on the body for almost two hours straight. No wonder they sweat when ambient temperatures can exceed 60 degrees in the cockpit.

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 06:14

Originally posted by airwise

Nought wrong with Jarno. He's been sweating like that since telling the Melbourne stewards that Hamilton stopped in front of him ;)


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