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#1 fredeuce

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Posted 10 October 2008 - 20:51

This weekend the Lobethal Grand Carnival is being run.

This event commemorates the ten years of motor racing (cars and bikes) that took place at Lobethal in the Adelaide hills between 1938 and 1948. Also the site of the Australian Grand Prix in 1939. The winner of that Race Alan Tomlinson will appear at this event.

I'm about to step out and head off for a fun and nostalgic day.

http://www.lobethalg...carnival.com.au

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#2 fredeuce

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Posted 11 October 2008 - 10:12

Here are a selection of pics taken at the pits in Lobethal township.


Bugatti Type 37 A
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Dodge Special

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Jag/Ford Special (272 "Y" Block V8 powered)

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Black Bess S/V Ford V8 special. Winner of the last event in 1948 and AGP winner 1950 at Nuriootpa

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MGK3

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Porsche 550 Spyder
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Prad Holden Special

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Elfin Mallala Special

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Repco Ricardian (Originally a Buchanan, a replica of an Aston Martin DB3)

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Aston Martin DB 2 replica

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Milano MG Special

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Milano MG engine bay
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MG PB
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1925 Packard (Sedan cut down to breakdown truck)
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#3 David Shaw

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Posted 11 October 2008 - 10:39

:clap: Thank you fredeuce, great photos. I would have loved to have been there myself, but having returned home on Friday from a months roadtrip with the family, it was out of the question.

The lemon supercharged Milano looks fantastic.

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 06:04

HI,

Lobethal today, Sunday

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#5 Derek Pitt

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 06:11

Sunday ,again

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 06:24

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#7 Gary Davies

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 08:32

A few more from Sunday, another lovely day in The Hills. A random selection here, hope they're interesting.

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The Milano MGB Special. An MGB underneath, with supercharged engine. The glass
fibre body started life in Sydney, widened to fit the B monocoque.

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Asto Martin DBR2 replica with Jaguar engine. A very nicely done car, built up in
Queensland and now resident in South Australia.

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Listed as 'Alfa Monza (Type)'. Don't know this car.

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A beautifully done Allard J2 with, according to the owner 'correct' front AND rear wheels!!

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A very pretty Riley special. Again, I don't know this car.

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Those who attended the Australian Grand Prix in Adelaide will recognise Glen Dix.
Still waving the flag too fast for my trigger finger.

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These last three shots are of the 220SL. I will find out more about this car if anyone is
interested. But for now, this was its first public appearance after a restoration lasting
some 6 years. It was acquired, derelict, from Macau where, I believe, it spent most of
its life previously. It was one of (I think but I'll find out) six built by the factory with a
2.2 litre 6 cylinder engine and (I think but I'll find out) there are three remaining.
The Mercedes Museum (This I do know because the then curator told me) does not
have one. It has been restored in Adelaide and this is where it will live.

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#8 David Shaw

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 09:03

More great photos to make me envious :love: . Thanks.

#9 Ray Bell

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 10:55

Originally posted by Vanwall
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Listed as 'Alfa Monza (Type)'. Don't know this car.[/IMG]


Built up using a six cylinder engine and two extra exhaust pipes...

"A real one would cost $10million! This one only cost a couple of hundred thousand."

Would you please call me... 0409 063 662 so we can catch up tomorrow?

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 11:54

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John Ellis in the Tillett TC special.
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Kevin Shearer, White 500 JAP (.. yes yes, it IS yellow!)
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Mark Poole/John Klose, Elfin Mallala 2138cc

#11 onelung

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 12:13

The 1935 MG "R" s/c 750cc. An absolutely exquisite piece of machinery, and it sounds just GREAT!
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Posted 15 October 2008 - 03:39

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Boeing Stearman flown by Ivor Paech: part of an excellent "vintage" aeroplane flyover on the Saturday.
Sunday's wind was too strong to allow safe use of the nearby grass strip. unfortunately.

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 03:52

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The MG R leads the pack toward Charleston. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrip!

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 04:30

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K3, Jag-Ford, Chrysler(?), and the Uffindel A7.
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Uffindel A7: a tight fit for the passenger....
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My, how times (and motorsport) have changed.....

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 09:27

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Vanwall
[B]A few more from Sunday, another lovely day in The Hills. A random selection here, hope they're interesting.


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A very pretty Riley special. Again, I don't know this car.

this is peter bails car, with andrew ford driving. i believe it was the first time its been out since being restored

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 10:15

Here's a front-on view of that ugly monster with the silver 'boat tail' (ocean liner tail?) rear... it's obviously a Chev:

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And here's the 'down and dirty' side of the MG R(acer) of the Bucknell family... what a car!

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Chris said he was able to get a run that let him go to about 85mph through Charleston. He certainly enjoyed himself, as you can all well imagine.

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 22:53

Sorry to have missed you, Ray - and I was wearing my pink carnation, too!
Here's a very brief clip of the "R" heading toward Charleston.



#18 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 23:27

Those pics from Fred Duece are great. That Meadows S/S towtruck i can remember in service. And I am not that old!!
It is a pity this event clashed with Bathhurst. I would have liked to have gone but too many events on the same day was a problem.
I believe that this was a precursor to a full on event next year? Who knows?

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 23:40

And an equally brief look and listen to Kevin Shearer in the yellow White 500 JAP.


The engine of the ocean liner tailed Chev. Mechanically prosaic, but it motored quite well.
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And the MG R rear end (taken at Vintage Collingrove the previous weekend) - simply beautiful.
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Posted 15 October 2008 - 23:54

Barry Hills' DH 82 ... an absolutely immaculate job - taken on the Saturday.
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Posted 16 October 2008 - 00:02

That blue thing again .. fugly ain't the word - I think we're looking at a couple of recycled black-painted lifebuoys incorporated into the canoe stern.
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Posted 16 October 2008 - 01:44

I think those are where they mount the machine guns on Scarf rings :stoned:

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#23 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 02:51

Originally posted by onelung
And an equally brief look and listen to Kevin Shearer in the yellow White 500 JAP.


The engine of the ocean liner tailed Chev. Mechanically prosaic, but it motored quite well.
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And the MG R rear end (taken at Vintage Collingrove the previous weekend) - simply beautiful.
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#24 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 02:53

What I tried to do is. Did Kevin Shearer have the A model racer there?

#25 fredeuce

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 03:34

Lee,
Kevin drove his new replica Cooper Jap 500 at this meet.Called a "White" apparently. His Ford A special was nowhere to be seen.

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 03:55

those MG's look good!

#27 onelung

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 05:30

Doug Partington, Wikner Ford Special (Rayjay OHV head), 2978cc.
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And it sounded good, too....

#28 onelung

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 05:44

Peter Rayner's 350 AJS "Boy Racer" - Yum Yum!
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#29 Ray Bell

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 10:54

Originally posted by fredeuce
Lee,
Kevin drove his new replica Cooper Jap 500 at this meet.Called a "White" apparently. His Ford A special was nowhere to be seen.


I seem to recall a car called the 'White 500' being listed in the CAMS Manual somewhere...

Might be in the list of cars that have won the Australian Hillclimb Championship. Could this be the very car?

Those last pics, along with some posted in similar places yesterday, remind me that it's going to be imperative to know the ways around at future events. Getting to see the cars on different parts of the circuit is important, I feel.

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 11:38

Re knowing one's way around the circuit for viewing purposes: I was stationed for road closure duties & so was stuck in the one spot, Ray.
There are two direct roads to access Charleston and my location at the bridge near Hartmann & Jungfer Roads from Lobethal - but only from a position inside the circuit. It's a big circuit, and not easy to get "everywhere". Best thing is what we're doing in this thread - share one's shots with everyone else.

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 14:20

Many thanks from over here. Brilliant shots, esp the Boeing Stearman and the R type. A chassis cutaway drawing shows the tubular spine chassis and the all torsion bar suspension,- a brilliant concept from the early '30s. Any chance of captions for the less obvious cars in the first set of photos please? Some I know but not others.
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Posted 16 October 2008 - 17:14

I love this thread - happy memories of ten visits to Lobethal - every time in awe at the circuit. If only there had been global jet travel in period what magnificent Australian GPs could have been run there, Alfettas v. Ferrari 375s, or you name it. Aesthetically it would have been stunning...

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#33 Ray Bell

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 21:38

Need a holiday this time next year, Doug?

With sponsorships, the Tipo B which ran here in 1939 is booked to take advantage of that International travel availability for the next event... as is Allan Tomlinson and possibly others.

With regard to moving between points during the day, I think it would be a good idea if this was a central part of the information given in the programme. Some of the diversions around the town were long and complex, a system could be worked out to give spectators an even better time.

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 22:45

Bradbury, I have inserted captions in the first set of pics. The bikes are basically self explanatory.

As for moving about the track I took the view that with the road closures it really did dictate that you needed to content yourself with one good vantage point close to one of the temporary Beer Gardens set up at various locations around the track. The Northern Hairpin was one such place so in company of brother and some friends we enjoyed the spectale and a number of Coopers' finests ales. :) :up:

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 23:00

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by fredeuce I have inserted captions in the first set of pics. QUOTE]
Many thanks
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Posted 17 October 2008 - 00:12

100S Healey of Tony Jarvis - over the bridge and on towards Charleston.
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and a clip of the bikes headed in the same direction..
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Posted 17 October 2008 - 00:19

The pair of 100S's: Tony Parkinson's (L) shown in the programme as 2973cc, the other 2660.
Is this a boring bar job or just a typo, I wonder....
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Posted 17 October 2008 - 01:59

Ray, you are correct about Dick White and the White 500/1000 being former Australian hillclimb champions, can't remember what year but the car was advertised in Just Cars a few years ago and a friend of mine looked at it but didn't buy as it was fitted with a flat four Lancia engine.
It appeared at Morgan Park in August in the hands of a new owner who had the misfortune to do a head on job into a concrete wall doing quite some damage. It was then entered for Speed on Tweed a month later but I don't recall seeing it there. I would think that Kevin Shearer's car bears no relationship to the Dick White Special.

This has been a great thread and my sincere thanks to those who have posted pics, must try and get there next year. I liked the JAG FORD which I haven't seen for many years.

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Posted 17 October 2008 - 02:58

Originally posted by fredeuce
Bradbury, I have inserted captions in the first set of pics. The bikes are basically self explanatory.

As for moving about the track I took the view that with the road closures it really did dictate that you needed to content yourself with one good vantage point close to one of the temporary Beer Gardens set up at various locations around the track. The Northern Hairpin was one such place so in company of brother and some friends we enjoyed the spectale and a number of Coopers' finests ales. :) :up:


Hi fredeuce, thanks for the photos. I was running my PRAD Holden & I can honestly say that those who competed here pre & post war were really titans of aussie motor racing. The track is awesome and leaves no margin for error. Tree lined roads and lots of other dangers such as wire fences to injure yourself if you make an error! I can only surmise that the roads were smoother than they are now as my car was being pitched about by the bumps. The last run for packet 2 had a really keen police motorcyclist who was laying it over through the corners and got up to 100mph plus on the road into Charleston. Great fun but we were not racing!

Dick if my memory is correct I believe the White 500/1000 was repowered with a supercharged VW in the late 60's early 70's & won the Aust hillclimb championship. The success of Dick White then inspired Paul England's car and Ray Cann then repowered the Cann Vincent to supercharged VW & also won Aust hillclimb championship.

regards Shane

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Posted 17 October 2008 - 03:10

Jag-Ford ... Lindner/Lehmann
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#41 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 17 October 2008 - 03:23

Those tyres on the Jag Ford look nicely feathered up!! Lovely photo.

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Posted 17 October 2008 - 03:51

Originally posted by Shane Bowden


Hi fredeuce, thanks for the photos. I was running my PRAD Holden & I can honestly say that those who competed here pre & post war were really titans of aussie motor racing. The track is awesome and leaves no margin for error. Tree lined roads and lots of other dangers such as wire fences to injure yourself if you make an error! I can only surmise that the roads were smoother than they are now as my car was being pitched about by the bumps. The last run for packet 2 had a really keen police motorcyclist who was laying it over through the corners and got up to 100mph plus on the road into Charleston. Great fun but we were not racing!

Dick if my memory is correct I believe the White 500/1000 was repowered with a supercharged VW in the late 60's early 70's & won the Aust hillclimb championship. The success of Dick White then inspired Paul England's car and Ray Cann then repowered the Cann Vincent to supercharged VW & also won Aust hillclimb championship.

regards Shane


Shane ,
Intersting story about the "White". Below is a pic of the Ray Cann/Ian Wells/Kev Rohrlach car taken at Collingrove Easter 1971. They do look different however.


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Posted 17 October 2008 - 04:28

Here's something for you, Shane .. I'd not seen your car in the metal up to this time, and was taken by its compactness, particularly when compared to the Ricardian. Look carefully and don't blink: yours is the 4th car to come by. http://au.youtube.co...h?v=hF1VrpNe6Aw
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Posted 17 October 2008 - 04:38

And re the yellow White 500, these were taken at the Vintage Collingrove meeting. Hopefully, of interest.
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Posted 17 October 2008 - 05:00

"Those tyres on the Jag Ford look nicely feathered up!!" (Lee Nicolle)
Goldarn, Lee - what an eye for detail: well done! Hadn't noticed it m'self...
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Posted 17 October 2008 - 05:13

Originally posted by onelung
Here's something for you, Shane .. I'd not seen your car in the metal up to this time, and was taken by its compactness, particularly when compared to the Ricardian. Look carefully and don't blink: yours is the 4th car to come by. http://au.youtube.co...h?v=hF1VrpNe6Aw
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Hi onelung, yes it is long & narrow as the chassis is a modified HRG. Started life as a "Bathurst" model HRG bodied as a single seater. It was interesting to compare it with the HRG 1500 also there. You can still see the mounting points for 1/4 elliptic front spring mounts made redundant when Jack Pryer constructed the independent front end utilising Holden & Standard 10 components. Clever blokes Jack Pryer & Clive Adams!

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Posted 17 October 2008 - 05:48

Doug Potts' 1500 HRG
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And a clip of it at speed... http://au.youtube.co...h?v=wHQnWTMYmkU

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Posted 17 October 2008 - 06:43

Just had a thought - for the benefit of those who don't know what we're talking about here ......
Voila - the track layout.
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Posted 17 October 2008 - 11:36

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The pretty Bedmore Special which competed in the 1948 race. More here.


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Another view of the White 500.

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Posted 17 October 2008 - 18:14

Originally posted by onelung
Just had a thought - for the benefit of those who don't know what we're talking about here ......
Voila - the track layout.
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Thanks for that, I don't think I ever saw one before! :up:

Looks a bit like Spa-Francorchamps, though: right after the start I can see Stavelot, Blanchimont and La Source, even a little Eau Rouge wiggly bit, Kemmel straight and the left before Burnenville, which itself is a bit "sharp" : And on the "bottom" straight even a Masta kink! :D Brilliant! :up: