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#1 kevthedrummer

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Posted 30 October 2008 - 13:44

I'm trying to find out where the Voisin Laboratoires finished in this event. If anyone can provide the final classification it would be much appreciated.

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#2 Vitesse2

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Posted 30 October 2008 - 14:06

Lefebvre was the last finisher, in 5th place. Rougier and Duray retired and Morel was disqualified.

http://www.teamdan.c...n/1923.html#acf

#3 kevthedrummer

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Posted 30 October 2008 - 14:25

Fantastic! Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you.

#4 Martin Dewey

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Posted 26 November 2008 - 22:09

Does anyone have a complete set of lap times for this race?

#5 HDonaldCapps

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Posted 26 November 2008 - 22:57

Originally posted by Martin Dewey
Does anyone have a complete set of lap times for this race?


I am not sure I have ever seen that particular information for this race, although I am sure it is out there somewhere since there were automotive journals of the day which used to publish that sort of information.

#6 Frank Verplanken

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 05:37

Originally posted by Martin Dewey
Does anyone have a complete set of lap times for this race?


I have the standings at 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 and 30 laps if that helps...

#7 Martin Dewey

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 21:39

Originally posted by Frank Verplanken


I have the standings at 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 and 30 laps if that helps...

That would be brilliant! Any info gratefully accepted.

#8 Frank Verplanken

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Posted 28 November 2008 - 18:36

Here goes :)

Lap 1

1 Bordino (FIAT, 9mn45s – 140.49 km/h)
2 Lee Guinness (Sunbeam) & Thomas (Delage, +41s)
4 Giaccone (FIAT, +1mn10s)
5 Salamano (FIAT, 1mn26s)
6 Segrave (Sunbeam, +1mn31s)
7 Divo (Sunbeam, +1mn47s)
8 Guyot (Rolland-Pilain, +2mn01s)
9 Friderich (Bugatti, +2mn16s)
10 Hémery (Rolland-Pilain, +2mn45s)
11 Duray (Voisin, +2mn48s)
12 Marco (Bugatti, +2mn58s)
13 Rougier (Voisin, +3mn12s)
14 Lefèvre (Voisin, 4mn42s)
15 Morel (Voisin, +4mn48s)
16 De Cystria (Bugatti, +4mn50s)

Lap 5

1 Bordino (FIAT, 48mn41s – 140.68 km/h)
2 Lee Guinness (Sunbeam, +2mn20s)
3 Giaccone (FIAT) & Divo (Sunbeam, +4mn41s)
5 Salamano (FIAT, +4mn59s)
6 Thomas (Delage, +6mn40s)
7 Guyot (Rolland-Pilain, +7mn03s)
8 Segrave (Sunbeam, +7mn32s)
9 Friderich (Bugatti, +10mn51s)
10 Rougier (Voisin, +11mn16s)
11 Hémery (Rolland-Pilain, +12mn28s)
12 Morel (Voisin, +17mn01s)
13 Duray (Voisin, +17mn15s)
14 De Cystria (Bugatti, +20mn23s)
15 Lefèvre (Voisin, +31mn38s)

Lap 10

1 Lee Guinness (Sunbeam, 1h43mn06s – 132.86 km/h)
2 Giaccone (FIAT, +3mn58s)
3 Salamano (FIAT, +4mn08s)
4 Guyot (Rolland-Pilain, +6mn53s)
5 Divo (Sunbeam, +7mn05s)
6 Segrave (Sunbeam, +9mn18s)
7 Friderich (Bugatti, +14mn51s)
8 Rougier (Voisin, +15mn19s)
9 Lefèvre (Voisin, +37mn52s)
10 Duray (Voisin, +41mn32s)
11 De Cystria (Bugatti, +47mn26s)

Lap 15

1 Giaccone (FIAT, 2h40mn47s – 127.79 km/h)
2 Salamano (FIAT, +1mn37s)
3 Divo (Sunbeam, +1mn54s)
4 Guyot (Rolland-Pilain, +3mn47s)
5 Segrave (Sunbeam, +7mn28s)
6 Lee Guinness (Sunbeam, +12mn05s)
7 Friderich (Bugatti, +14mn01s)
8 Rougier (Voisin, +18mn17s)
9 Lefèvre (Voisin, +42mn51s)
10 Duray (Voisin, +48mn49s)

Lap 20

1 Divo (Sunbeam, 3h40mn08s – 124.45 km/h)
2 Salamano (FIAT, +51s)
3 Segrave (Sunbeam, +2mn53s)
4 Guyot (Rolland-Pilain, +7mn22s)
5 Lee Guinness (Sunbeam, +13mn03s)
6 Friderich (Bugatti, +16mn34s)
7 Duray (Voisin, +50mn24s)
8 Lefèvre (Voisin, +53mn53s)

Lap 25

1 Salamano (FIAT, 4h33mn50s – 125.06 km/h)
2 Divo (Sunbeam, +2mn20s)
3 Segrave (Sunbeam, +5mn12s)
4 Guyot (Rolland-Pilain, +9mn04s)
5 Lee Guinness (Sunbeam, +23mn11s)
6 Friderich (Bugatti, +28mn19s)
7 Lefèvre (Voisin, 1h03mn56s)
8 Duray (Voisin, +1h06mn13s)

Lap 30

1 Salamano (FIAT, 5h28mn48s – 124.98 km/h)
2 Divo (Sunbeam, +4mn11s)
3 Segrave (Sunbeam, +11mn14s)
4 Lee Guinness (Sunbeam, +28mn37s)
5 Friedrich (Bugatti, +31mn18s)
6 Duray (Voisin, +1h11mn14s)
7 Lefèvre (Voisin, +1h12mn28s)

Lap 35

1 Segrave (Sunbeam, 6h35mn19s6 - 121.27 km/h)
2 Divo (Sunbeam, +19mn06s2)
3 Friederich (Bugatti, +25mn02s8)
4 Lee Guinness (Sunbeam, 26mn43s4)
5 Lefèvre (Voisin, 1h15mn09s6)

FL Bordino (FIAT) 9mn36s - 142.69 km/h (on lap 2)

source : Edmond Cohin (L’Historique de la Course Automobile 1894-1977, Editions Larivière, Paris, France, 1982)

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#9 Martin Dewey

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Posted 28 November 2008 - 21:26

Thank you Frank! That's great :clap: