Lotus 7 S2 chassis No. SB1430
#1
Posted 09 November 2008 - 10:41
From my notes, cuttings, papers, etc, I have been able to work out the history of my car. Lots of gaps. Any additional information that might be available around the traps would be appreciated.
History of Lotus 7 S2 - Chassis No. SB1430
Originally red, then painted dark green with gold lengthwise stripes by ? in ?. Definitely green when CAMS logbook issued to JR Mawdesley, Feb 67.
? Manufactured by Lotus Components, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire
60/61 ? Imported into Australia by Derry George ?
First Lotus 7 in Australia ?
? Raced by Derry George at ?
? Sold to Derry George’s mechanic - name?
? Sold to Don Stevens
? Sold to George Makin (car dealer?), Heidelburg, Victoria.
? Raced by George Makin at Calder, Winton, Sandown.
Sept 1966 Advertised for sale by George Makin in Racing Car News.
VIC Rego HPD 461
6 Feb 67 Sold to John Mawdesley, Launceston, Tasmania.
2 Mar 67 CAMS logbook T94 issued to JR Mawdesley.
67-68 Raced by John Mawdesley at Longford, Symmons Plains, Penguin Hill Climb
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#2
Posted 09 November 2008 - 11:32
http://www.simplesevens.org/
a great site where I could spend ages going through the histories!
#3
Posted 09 November 2008 - 21:31
Has your friend contacted Mark Schagen , Club Lotus Australia Registrar , he will have full details I believe , Mark lives somewhere around Hornsby/ Asquith , Sydney suburbs.
Bryan Miler .
#4
Posted 10 November 2008 - 08:57
Mike B
#5
Posted 10 November 2008 - 09:40
275GTB, I am PMing his contact details to you so that your friend can contact John directly to discuss what he has. John's input is in red
Has the car got a Frame (maker’s) Number?
Originally red, then painted dark green with gold lengthwise stripes by ? in ?. Definitely green when CAMS logbook issued to JR Mawdesley, Feb 67.
Yes the Lotus factory records show the car to have originally been RED or RED & BARE ALUMINIUM.
? Manufactured by Lotus Components, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire
60/61 ?
No Lotus factory records show the car to have left the factory in late June 1962.
Imported into Australia by Derry George ?
Derry George may well have been the first owner, but Lotus factory records show the car to have been supplied to (Derek) Jolly.
First Lotus 7 in Australia ?
Lotus factory records show that there were Lotus Sevens imported into Australia more than 18 months earlier than late June 1962. (in fact in late 1960).
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If the owner would like to contact me I can confirm more of the specification of the car.
John W. Watson,
General Secretary Historic Lotus Register ,
Joint Lotus Seven Registrar,
Lotus Historian Lotus Seven Club,
Lotus Seven Register
#6
Posted 11 November 2008 - 08:37
to be continued...
#7
Posted 11 November 2008 - 09:30
As Australian Lotus importer?Originally posted by 275 GTB-4
A big surprise was the Derek Jolly ownership
#8
Posted 11 November 2008 - 10:53
Originally red, then painted dark green with gold lengthwise stripes by ? in ?. Definitely green when CAMS logbook issued to JR Mawdesley, Feb 67. Owner has a copy of the CAMS logbook...a previous owner has the original. The original engine was a 1340c consul that was prone to breakage. I believe Mr Mawdesley had two blow-ups at Longford in successive years. The line up of drivers at these meetings (67/68?) was quite impressive.
Lotus factory records show that there were Lotus Sevens imported into Australia more than 18 months earlier than late June 1962. (in fact in late 1960). Could they be private imports and this is the first commercial import? (just hazarding a guess).
Owned by the one owner since 1978, so the Roxburgh thing may be a furphy...I saw that Roxburgh had a 23B in 1968ish.
The owner would like to contact John Watson (and will) so he can confirm the original specification of the car. He has been in contact with John Sextan(?) locally and notes that he has recorded an incorrect engine number for the car.
#10
Posted 11 November 2008 - 11:34
#11
Posted 11 November 2008 - 13:24
It should be remembered that John Roxburgh was Derek's Lotus distributor in Victoria so many cars might briefly be credited as 'owned' by him as it passed through his hands
Mike B
#12
Posted 11 November 2008 - 13:36
But I didn't know the history of the car. Many thanks.
#13
Posted 13 November 2008 - 08:46
The Car circa 1980...
#14
Posted 13 November 2008 - 12:19
Originally posted by 275 GTB-4
.....I saw that Roxburgh had a 23B in 1968ish.....
I'd have thought he was into the 32B by that time... but nevertheless...
Roxburgh's 'Lotus 23' was entered as a 'Lotus 23C' and was a roughish old thing (with steel wheels?) that didn't seem to have any provenance. It certainly wasn't a well-known car, and basically all 23s in Australia were well enough known.
#15
Posted 14 November 2008 - 10:16
VALE DEREK JOLLY - APRIL 2002
Last month we said farewell to my friend, Derek Jolly, our multimedia man in Adelaide. Derek died at the age of 74, after a fierce battle with injuries that he sustained from a horrific car accident, 15 months ago – when an out-of-control car crashed into his stationery car at 90kph. To add to Decca’s troubles, he was battling cancer at the same time.
Derek was a very remarkable person with wide interests – from car racing to wine to the arts, and from science and technology to business.
His mother came from the Penfold family, so his life-long interest in wine was fairly predictable. In the fifties, he worked with the famous Max Schubert, maker of The Grange. When he visited, he always brought a very special bottle of red with him, which we then drank with much ceremony here in Bucketty. On one of my visits to Adelaide, after a nice dinner and visiting some bars and pubs, we ended up in his wine cellar where we finished off the evening with some lovely Hungarian Muscat from 1925!
Between 1948 and 1962 he was one of Australia’s most prominent car racer. He built two cars himself, which are now all museum pieces (Decca I, II and III). He was the national champion and was closely linked to the Lotus team, for which he raced. He assisted in the development of cars and toured the European race circuits with the Lotus team, including racers like Sterling Moss and Graham Hill.
In northern Germany and the Netherlands, he recorded live music played on 17th century organs. In the early 1960s heimported the Moog Mark III, one of the first synthesizers in Australia, which was instaffed in the rear of his recording studio and was also used by students of the conservatorium in Adelaide. He built a cultural centre in Melbourne Street, Adelaide (Decca’s Place) and developed a large part of this street to what you see today –apartments, shops and restaurants. For the last ten years he, with his partner Helen, was a key person in the organisation of the annual Barossa Music Festival, for which they both received medals acknowledging their contribution.
As a part of all his activities Decca took literally thousand of photographs, some of which are now featured internationally.
Derek loved nature, especially the Flinders Ranges, which he began visiting in the late 1940s and he kept a photographic record of his trips to this area. He also took some great pictures of our grey gums here in Bucketty, after the 1994 fires.
He loved technology. When Decca visited us in Bucketty a car that looked like a Christmas tree would arrive – with antennas all over the place. He was the first to get into PCs, faxes, mobile satellite and online services – this is how our association began.
Soon after I arrived in Australia in 1983, Derek contacted me and asked if I would like to introduce the latest online technology (videotex) in Adelaide. I did one of my first videotex presentations in Australia in his Portobello Centre and we have been friends ever since.
Decca was a victim of the very high interest rates of these years and lost all his property and other assets in the stockmarket crash of 1987.
In 1996 he moved to Marananga in the Barossa, where he opened a Multimedia Gallery. Combining his vast collection of slides and photographs with the many sounds that he had recorded – as well as with excerpts from his rare sound collection of, for example, WWI footage that he had somehow acquired from the BBC.
The Gallery was a showcase of his interest and talents. The opening exhibition was a collection of his recent landscape photographs each accompanied by a specialy created musical interlude. Many of the Lotus owners were enthralled by Derek’s projection onto a lrge screen of his slide collection on the early days of Lotus accompanied by his stories on working with Colin Chapmand and the rest of the Lotus team in the 1950s.
At the time I wrote of the tremendous value that such collections would have in the development of new broadband content. On another occasion I featured one of his photographs in our newsletter – a picture of an old timber telephone box in the middle of nowhere, somewhere in the Flinders Ranges, connected via fence wire to the homestead several kilometres away.
I will greatly miss my friend Decca – a free spirit, an out-of-the-box thinker, an optimist who never complained about his financial losses, the accident, or his illness. He has truly earned his place in Australian history and his many legacies will remain with us forever.
Paul Budde
#16
Posted 21 June 2009 - 06:09
#17
Posted 21 June 2009 - 06:31
We rarely know enough about the off-track lives of drivers
#18
Posted 22 June 2009 - 04:18
A friend of mine would like to fill in the gaps for his Lotus 7....any help will be very much appreciated
From my notes, cuttings, papers, etc, I have been able to work out the history of my car. Lots of gaps. Any additional information that might be available around the traps would be appreciated.
History of Lotus 7 S2 - Chassis No. SB1430
Originally red, then painted dark green with gold lengthwise stripes by ? in ?. Definitely green when CAMS logbook issued to JR Mawdesley, Feb 67.
? Manufactured by Lotus Components, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire
60/61 ? Imported into Australia by Derry George ?
First Lotus 7 in Australia ?
? Raced by Derry George at ?
? Sold to Derry George’s mechanic - name?
? Sold to Don Stevens
? Sold to George Makin (car dealer?), Heidelburg, Victoria.
? Raced by George Makin at Calder, Winton, Sandown.
Sept 1966 Advertised for sale by George Makin in Racing Car News.
VIC Rego HPD 461
6 Feb 67 Sold to John Mawdesley, Launceston, Tasmania.
2 Mar 67 CAMS logbook T94 issued to JR Mawdesley.
67-68 Raced by John Mawdesley at Longford, Symmons Plains, Penguin Hill Climb
The car in question here I don't believe to be the Derry George Special.
Firstly the chassis number for the Derry George Car is SB1307 NOT SB1430.
I don't believe the car was owned by the others listed here & was never painted green with a gold stripe up the centre as mentioned here & also photos posted on this thread.
When Derry owned the car it was red & always was red until he sold it to Jeff Dutton who then painted it green with a yellow nose cone.
It has been owned by the current owner for about 15 years & was purchased from Jeff Dutton.
The car was imported as a chassis & completed by Derry.
Derry also had another Lotus 7 S1 which he also sold to Jeff Dutton at the same time. I believe this car is owned by Diana Gaize.
Cheers
Ian George
#19
Posted 23 June 2009 - 11:47
The car in question here I don't believe to be the Derry George Special.
Firstly the chassis number for the Derry George Car is SB1307 NOT SB1430.
I don't believe the car was owned by the others listed here & was never painted green with a gold stripe up the centre as mentioned here & also photos posted on this thread.
When Derry owned the car it was red & always was red until he sold it to Jeff Dutton who then painted it green with a yellow nose cone.
It has been owned by the current owner for about 15 years & was purchased from Jeff Dutton.
The car was imported as a chassis & completed by Derry.
Derry also had another Lotus 7 S1 which he also sold to Jeff Dutton at the same time. I believe this car is owned by Diana Gaize.
Cheers
Ian George
Thanks Ian,
Quote from current owner:
My response would be along the lines of,
SB1430, an S2 not an S1, is definitely painted green with gold stripes and was previously red at some time (probably from new). The history from George Makin onwards is definitely correct, but lacking detail prior to the sale to John Mawdesley. The earlier history naming Derry George, Derry George's mechanic and Don Stevens as previous owners was related by George Makin. It is always possible that George Makin may have been confused with another car. Is it possible Derry George owned *two* S2s along the way, as well as a S1? What is the provenance of the car now owned by Diana Gaize?
The purpose of the original post was to confirm or otherwise the verbal historical information and possibly to expand on it. There seems little doubt that SB1430 was sold new to Derek Jolly (importer) in June 1962. What is the history of the car between June 1962 and Sept 1966? Beyond Sept 1966 the history is 100% confirmed. In 1983 SB1430 was owned by Dennis Hensby in Launceston, not by John Roxburgh. If the Lotus Register shows John Roxborough in 1983, that detail is incorrect.
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#20
Posted 23 June 2009 - 23:13
Thanks Ian,
Quote from current owner:
My response would be along the lines of,
SB1430, an S2 not an S1, is definitely painted green with gold stripes and was previously red at some time (probably from new). The history from George Makin onwards is definitely correct, but lacking detail prior to the sale to John Mawdesley. The earlier history naming Derry George, Derry George's mechanic and Don Stevens as previous owners was related by George Makin. It is always possible that George Makin may have been confused with another car. Is it possible Derry George owned *two* S2s along the way, as well as a S1? What is the provenance of the car now owned by Diana Gaize?
The purpose of the original post was to confirm or otherwise the verbal historical information and possibly to expand on it. There seems little doubt that SB1430 was sold new to Derek Jolly (importer) in June 1962. What is the history of the car between June 1962 and Sept 1966? Beyond Sept 1966 the history is 100% confirmed. In 1983 SB1430 was owned by Dennis Hensby in Launceston, not by John Roxburgh. If the Lotus Register shows John Roxborough in 1983, that detail is incorrect.
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Hi,
Derry George only owned an S1 & the S2. Both cars were red. He never owned two S2. The S2 was built from a chassis & was never imported as a complete car. I was only a kid at the time when my uncle built the car however I am very clear on this. Unfortunately both my uncle & my father have passed away so I have no one else to ask. All I can say is I know where the Derry George special is & are making moves to buy my uncles car.
Cheers
Ian George
I have since been able to confirm that chassis number SB1430 had nothing to do with my uncle Derry George. My uncles car was owned by him up until about 15 years ago & was raced soley by. him
Edited by ruf_911, 24 June 2009 - 04:27.
#21
Posted 09 May 2010 - 10:32
Lotus 7 HPD461 (Chassis #SB1430)
#22
Posted 26 September 2013 - 10:13
A naked SB1430 today...let the fun begin
#23
Posted 26 September 2013 - 19:50
Is this the same car? Or did John have a separate car to Peter?
#24
Posted 27 September 2013 - 06:21
Is this the same car? Or did John have a separate car to Peter?
Nice pic Ell...some feedback for your questions...
QUOTE: Both brothers had separate cars. I think Peter may have been more successful than John. The black car (this one) was owned by Alan Ling at some stage – I am not sure whether before or after Peter Mawdesley UNQUOTE
Re the picture and the cars position...
QUOTE: I wonder if he got out of this one? Obviously he didn’t take out the photographer. Actually, due to the lie of the land, this was probably taken in the top corner, which means he is facing the way he came UNQUOTE
#25
Posted 27 September 2013 - 08:07
Really enjoyed Derek Jolly story too by the way 275 - what an amazing character. Re photo, its actually taken in the Esses at Baskerville and no, he lost it! I always thought this was the ex Alan Ling car, so was a bit confused when you mentioned John's car. Peter had a good run in his car, actually taking out the Tas Sports Car Championship with it in 1969 - Bob Jane won it but as Peter was 2nd he got the trophy for Tas resident. Mind you I think Peter may have been living in Melbourne at this stage and flying back to race the 7 but can't confirm that as gospel. Organisers restricted the event to Tas residents to save prizemoney..... Peter was lucky that Bruce Gowans in Ling's Lotus 23 had gearbox issues and Mike Bruce broke a half shaft in his first outing with the ex Ramsey Elfin 300. Kerry Cox came 2nd in the Paramount Jag with Gordon Porter 3rd in the Elfin Aero. Have attached 2 pics from Syms and 1 of Alan Ling Bask 1965 - taken on 4x5 field camera no less. Alan and 7 were the "gun" combo in Sports car at this time, great battles with Chris Tapping's Elfin Aero.
#26
Posted 27 September 2013 - 13:15
Before anyone gets too confused between the John Mawdesley and Peter Mawdesley Lotus Sevens, they were definitely not the same car, John buying and racing SB1430 after his brother Peter bought the black ex Alan Ling car (SB1313, which was a full race Super 7), SB1430 was nothing like the same spec as SB1313 and quite a bit slower. My memory says John's Lotus was red at that time, but as there were a number of Sevens racing in Tas at that time I may well be mistaken.
The John Roxburgh connection is simple. He was the Victorian Lotus agent (sub agent to Derek Jolley) and thus it is absolutely no surprise that Lotus records would list Jolly and that Roxburgh was connected. See the seperate thread related to Lotus agents in Australia.
The black car in Lindsay's photos was 1313, not 1430,
Rob Saward
#27
Posted 30 September 2013 - 11:57
Before anyone gets too confused between the John Mawdesley and Peter Mawdesley Lotus Sevens, they were definitely not the same car, John buying and racing SB1430 after his brother Peter bought the black ex Alan Ling car (SB1313, which was a full race Super 7), SB1430 was nothing like the same spec as SB1313 and quite a bit slower. My memory says John's Lotus was red at that time, but as there were a number of Sevens racing in Tas at that time I may well be mistaken.
The John Roxburgh connection is simple. He was the Victorian Lotus agent (sub agent to Derek Jolley) and thus it is absolutely no surprise that Lotus records would list Jolly and that Roxburgh was connected. See the seperate thread related to Lotus agents in Australia.
The black car in Lindsay's photos was 1313, not 1430,
Rob Saward
Yeeahp! sum body suuuure cut through that fence alright...
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=86cH9u4fMMw
#28
Posted 22 July 2015 - 23:41
The red Lotus 7 in the Caversham race photo is the Series 1 Lotus 7 UK reg 7 TMT. This famous little Lotus 7 with a FWA Climax engine and beam rear axle is still in Australia today in mint condition. This was the Team Lotus car that Graham Hill used to beat the entire sports car field at the Brands Hatch Boxing Day meeting in the UK in Dec 1958. It then passed into the hands of Peter Warr, from whom Derek bought it on one of his trips to the UK. This was very late 1960 or early 1961. The price of the car was around GBP 750 including a spares package. In the Caversham race it was driven by Frank Coad while Derek Jolly drove the Lotus 15 The 1962 Caversham race was Derek Jolly's last race after which he retired from motorsport. The Lotus 7 and the Lotus 15 were both entered by Derek Jolly and both cars were owned by him at the time. In 1999 at our National Lotus meeting we had the pleasure of re-uniting Derek and Frank who had not met for many, many years.
It should be remembered that John Roxburgh was Derek's Lotus distributor in Victoria so many cars might briefly be credited as 'owned' by him as it passed through his hands
Mike B
Found this photo of a newspaper clip in a friends pictures...Caversham? (early, judging by the age of spectator cars)
#29
Posted 23 July 2015 - 02:00
Yep. Sure looks like the '62 '6-Hour'.
#30
Posted 23 July 2015 - 03:11
The car was bought by George Makin from John Roxburgh and was raced several times in 1966. It went then to John Mawdesley and was raced nine times in Tassie by him before being sold to an unidentified party. Alan Bewglass then bought it in '70 or '71, used it on the road until 1978 and then sold it to Dennis Hensby in Canberra.
As of 2012 it was retained by Hensby. Makin had HPD-461 plates on the car.
This is straight from Marc Schagen's book, which I'd hope Dennis has or will acquire.
SB1313 is on the missing list.
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Edited by Ray Bell, 23 July 2015 - 03:32.
#31
Posted 24 July 2015 - 00:16
Just to get rid of a lot of guff in this thread...
The car was bought by George Makin from John Roxburgh and was raced several times in 1966. It went then to John Mawdesley and was raced nine times in Tassie by him before being sold to an unidentified party. Alan Bewglass then bought it in '70 or '71, used it on the road until 1978 and then sold it to Dennis Hensby in Canberra.
As of 2012 it was retained by Hensby. Makin had HPD-461 plates on the car.
This is straight from Marc Schagen's book, which I'd hope Dennis has or will acquire.
SB1313 is on the missing list.
Guff?
#32
Posted 24 July 2015 - 03:26
Mention of Derry George, in particular. And we have to keep in mind that George Makin did own another Lotus 7, traded at his car yard, at the same time.
#33
Posted 24 July 2015 - 06:24
Is that a 'side-issue' or just 'speculation' ?
#34
Posted 24 July 2015 - 08:33
Is that a 'side-issue' or just 'speculation' ?
#35
Posted 24 July 2015 - 08:42
It was bought new by George Makin. That George owned another similar car during the period of his ownership of this one is relevant because they could be confused.
#36
Posted 24 July 2015 - 10:51
I'm certainly confused
#37
Posted 25 July 2015 - 06:57
I'm certainly confused
So everything is normal then?
#38
Posted 25 July 2015 - 11:55
You've regained your old form!
#39
Posted 04 August 2015 - 23:05
From ruf-911 (those Porsche engines can run rough!)
Lotus 7 HPD461 (Chassis #SB1430)
This picture is attributed to Gavin Fry...anyone know if he ever raced?
and, pacifically! from Brian Darbys website...
http://aussieroadracing.homestead.com/
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#40
Posted 05 August 2015 - 00:40
It's possible Gavin Fry might be related to Derek Fry, of course. Why not ask Brian Darby?
#41
Posted 16 September 2023 - 13:01
M Bennett I am currently working my way through the Derek Jolly archives and find I have the original Jolly papers for SB 1430 invoiced by Lotus 25/7/62.
The last recorded owner we have is Dennis Hensby according to Marc Schagen's book.
It would be wonderful if we could pass on copies of these records to the current owner, can anyone help tracing the current owner?
23 Sept. Good news, we have found Dennis and he still has SB1430 so the 60 year old records are on the way to him. Thanks
Edited by M bennett, 23 September 2023 - 09:45.