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#1 mfd

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 17:02

If anyone can enlighten me, I'd appreciate it. In the photo Stuck is pictured at the 'ring, but when was this photo taken. In 1973 he raced there in a white BMW Motorsport striped CSL. I can't find any other reference photos, but what I'd really like to know is why & when did the cars change to black ? Was it for another associated team like Alpina?

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#2 cpbell

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 17:07

I know next to nothing about Touring Cars, but those stripes look very Martini-ish to me.

#3 Stephen W

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 18:20

Originally posted by cpbell
I know next to nothing about Touring Cars, but those stripes look very Martini-ish to me.


Works BMWish actually. :cool:

It's an LAT Photo so they may well be able to resolve the riddle! :wave:

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 18:27

Originally posted by Stephen W



It's an LAT Photo so they may well be able to resolve the riddle! :wave:


Taken by John Dunbar and also used on the front cover of Motor Sport, off hand I cannot remember the year.

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 18:29

Originally posted by cpbell
I know next to nothing about Touring Cars, but those stripes look very Martini-ish to me.


I used to follow ETC racing, but do not remember Martini sponsoring the Batmobiles, I thought that maybe they were just "Alpina" stripes.

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 18:33

Hi Mike , where n't the factory cars a very very dark blue in 74 ? 1000kms 1974 ? though the number on the bonnet 71(?) appears to have been amended with a T. it's similar to a very famous LAT Motor Sport cover photo but it is not the same one, as that one was taken during the meeting on the programme
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1000kms 1974 car shared with Jacky Ickx rtd 3 laps gearbox, other pictures on the Jacky Ickx fan site under touring cars 1974(!) including the LAT one

#7 Tony Matthews

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 18:57

You are right dwall, I didn't look closely enough. Not the Dunbar pic. And they are Alpina stripes.

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 19:18

Originally posted by sterling49


I used to follow ETC racing, but do not remember Martini sponsoring the Batmobiles, I thought that maybe they were just "Alpina" stripes.


Oops, that'll teach me to comment on things I know very little about, sorry gentlemen. :blush:

#9 mfd

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 19:20

Originally posted by dwall
Hi Mike , where n't the factory cars a very very dark blue in 74 ? 1000kms 1974 ? though the number on the bonnet 71(?) appears to have been amended with a T. it's similar to a very famous LAT Motor Sport cover photo but it is not the same one, as that one was taken during the meeting on the programme
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1000kms 1974 car shared with Jacky Ickx rtd 3 laps gearbox, other pictures on the Jacky Ickx fan site under touring cars 1974(!) including the LAT one


Thanks David :wave: - You've come up with something I have to check! Were they dark blue or black?
& Tony, I had been told it was Alpina, but I didn't quite believe it. The stripes are exactly the same colours & same positions as the previous years white works cars.

I guess the photo must have been taken earlier, for it to appear on the programme of the same year...just checked, there was a 3.0 CSL car #71 at the 1000k

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 19:25

As pointed out before, the picture was taken at the 1000 km race in May, so in time for the programme of july 1974.
The car was dark blue, the stripes were just like they were in 1973 and have nothing to do with either Martini or Alpina - it was just the works schedule.
Dark blue was in use for one year only - in 1975, BMW turned to IMSA with white cars again - with the same stripes.

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 19:27

Originally posted by Frank de Jong
Martini or Alpine - it was just the works schedule.
Dark blue was in use for one year only - in 1975, BMW turned to IMSA with white cars again - with the same stripes.


As was pointed out to me recently (typing error!) Alpine make car stereos and was an old Rootes Group model, I presume you meant Alpina? Thanks for your input, I knew the calvary would eventually arrive :up:

#12 jm70

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 19:40

BMW Motorsport used those stripe colors

#13 mfd

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 19:50

Originally posted by Frank de Jong
The car was dark blue, the stripes were just like they were in 1973 and have nothing to do with either Martini or Alpine - it was just the works schedule.
Dark blue was in use for one year only - in 1975, BMW turned to IMSA with white cars again - with the same stripes.

So it was a BMW Motorsport entry & nothing to do with Alpina, Frank? Do you have a RAL code for the dark blue?;)

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 15:31

Originally posted by Frank de Jong
Dark blue was in use for one year only - in 1975, BMW turned to IMSA with white cars again - with the same stripes.

I'm sure I've seen a 1976 car in blue or black as well Frank...

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 16:29

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#16 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 16:39

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1974 Nurburgring 6 Hours Nurburgring, Germany. 14th July 1974 Hans Joachim Stuck takes off in the BMW 3.5 CSL he shared with Ronnie Peterson. Action. World Copyright: LAT Photographic ref: 35mm Transparency TP33

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 17:33

Originally posted by mfd

I'm sure I've seen a 1976 car in blue or black as well Frank...

That was not a works car but the Faltz-Alpina group 5 car (blue) or the Group 2 Luigi cars - they were black with Castrol striping...

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 20:07

Originally posted by Frank de Jong
That was not a works car but the Faltz-Alpina group 5 car (blue) or the Group 2 Luigi cars - they were black with Castrol striping...

Frank (and sorry to all if I have mislead anyone) you have answered my question completely. I now know the navy blue 74 car was a Motorsport car. I should be able to get someone from Munich to let me know the code.
I am also interested specifically in the Alpina CSL, which I believe were either Jaegermeister coloured or white & orange. If you or anyone can help, I appreciate it, I certainly didn't start this thread to annoy you though Frank :(

#19 Frank de Jong

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 20:18

No problem mate. By the way, on my website there are many pictures of works or Alpina BMW's ;)

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 20:31

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
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1974 Nurburgring 6 Hours Nurburgring, Germany. 14th July 1974 Hans Joachim Stuck takes off in the BMW 3.5 CSL he shared with Ronnie Peterson. Action. World Copyright: LAT Photographic ref: 35mm Transparency TP33


Fantastic photo, image still fresh in my mind, along with the Cologne Capris on two wheels :eek: Great days of tin tops driven by the then current GP brigade :up: