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#1151 blackhand2010

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Posted 20 February 2009 - 20:52

Originally posted by D82

He has signed with NHL. The sponsorship is yet to be announced.

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/73370


Gutted for Justin Wilson. Wonder where (if anywhere) he'll end up racing.

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#1152 McGuire

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Posted 20 February 2009 - 22:45

Originally posted by aportinga
I was led to believe that there is a pretty big rift between RA and IRL management. I cannot confirm that however. Perhaps someone else can.

That place is just phenomenal!


Not really, it's just that OW has tanked so many times at RA that both sides are skittish. It could happen again though, as Milwaukee may be going away which opens the market. The promoters at the Mile may give up on the facility because they are maxed out on the number of operating days they are allotted due to noise and traffic issues. The track is right in the center of a residential neighborhood.

Personally, I would love to see Road America on the schedule but not at the expense of Milwaukee. It would be a shame to see it go away -- oldest track in America.

#1153 qwazy

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Posted 20 February 2009 - 22:49

Originally posted by D82

He has signed with NHL. The sponsorship is yet to be announced.

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/73370


Damn that Robin Miller and his imaginary, fabricated stories! That flea-bitten varmint!

#1154 McGuire

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Posted 20 February 2009 - 23:18

Originally posted by qwazy


Damn that Robin Miller and his imaginary, fabricated stories! That flea-bitten varmint!


Robin has the best keyhole sources in Indianapolis on silly-season stuff like drivers, team changes, etc. If he reports it and it doesn't happen, it's generally because the deal fell through... which is the problem with these stories: until it's signed, it hasn't happened.

#1155 qwazy

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 00:36

Originally posted by McGuire


Robin has the best keyhole sources in Indianapolis on silly-season stuff like drivers, team changes, etc. If he reports it and it doesn't happen, it's generally because the deal fell through... which is the problem with these stories: until it's signed, it hasn't happened.


I'm with you, man. I was poking fun at the guy who was laying it onto RM, saying the Doornbos deal didn't exist.

It's amazing how animosity can blind people.

#1156 B Squared

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 09:53

AP's Mike Harris' take on the upcoming season from this morning's Indy Star.

http://www.indystar....4/1052/SPORTS01

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#1157 Dolph

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 12:42

Now GP Update has picked up the Doornbos story:

http://f1.gpupdate.n...an-haas-in-irl/



"I'm very happy and proud to get this chance to race with Newman/Haas/Lanigan Racing," said Doornbos.



#1158 red stick

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 22:07

Originally posted by qwazy


I'm with you, man. I was poking fun at the guy who was laying it onto RM, saying the Doornbos deal didn't exist.

It's amazing how animosity can blind people.


Check the profile. 19. Perspective generally comes later.

#1159 HaydenFan

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 22:33

Originally posted by red stick


Check the profile. 19. Perspective generally comes later.


What I was saying is that Miller was wrong in saying that Doornbos had major funding from ING.

Who cares what age I am. I could be 50 years old and a complete tool, as seen with many politicians.

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#1160 red stick

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 23:17

Originally posted by HaydenFan
Seems Doornbos will most likely not be driving with Newman Haas Lanigan Racing in 2009 as the whole story was nothing more than another false statement by Robin Miller.

* * *

But he's [Miller's] not. Most of the stuff he [Miller] writes seems like he pulled it out of his butt. Much has little support, and is always blown out of proportion.


My mistake . . .

#1161 B Squared

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 12:32

"Hi, I am Hayden Fan. I will saw right now, I am a Ferrari fan, I think Hamilton is rubbish, I am younger than most of you, the IRL is trash, and I am an American. And no, I do not like Nascar either." HaydenFan

Very open minded and deep thinking also.

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#1162 HaydenFan

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 12:52

Originally posted by B Squared
"Hi, I am Hayden Fan. I will saw right now, I am a Ferrari fan, I think Hamilton is rubbish, I am younger than most of you, the IRL is trash, and I am an American. And no, I do not like Nascar either." HaydenFan

Very open minded and deep thinking also.

Brian


Just because I see crap as it is, crap, doesn't mean ....


why do I even bother? We all know the series is only being propped up by the Hulman fortune. Once that dries, up the family will sell the circuit and open wheel racing will die.

#1163 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 13:29

I know you're young, but we've been doing this for a while so try to keep up.

#1164 Option1

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 13:50

:rotfl: Ross, line of the year so far! :rotfl:

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 14:09

for some reason it looks like Duna's (alleged) car is now listed as TBA.

#1166 B Squared

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 14:19

HaydenFan - Not trying to silence you, uncaring of your age. I saw A.J. Foyt win his 4th "500" when I was your approximate age and remember it like yesterday. It was my tenth "500". And I well remember how knowledgeable and committed to the sport I was then. With every fiber of my being, I was into it. It's good to have fresh voices and opinions. All I'm asking is to try to show a bit of respect. I know a little about this sport, but I'm a moron compared to many others that participate on this great forum. This interaction helps us all learn new things every day. I'm sure you'll enjoy being a part of it.

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 14:28

Originally posted by whitewaterMkII
for some reason it looks like Duna's (alleged) car is now listed as TBA.


Where did you see that?

#1168 red stick

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 15:48

Originally posted by B Squared
HaydenFan - Not trying to silence you, uncaring of your age. . . It's good to have fresh voices and opinions. All I'm asking is to try to show a bit of respect. I know a little about this sport, but I'm a moron compared to many others that participate on this great forum. This interaction helps us all learn new things every day. I'm sure you'll enjoy being a part of it.

Brian Brown


I'll echo that. I'd be interested in hearing something new about IndyCar from the perspective of one who came of age during and after the split.

But if you're primarily interested in coming here to tell us that the IRL is crap, Robin Miller is a liar, and Tony George is a tool, well, there are folks here who lived the sport, are much more familiar with its history, were at or near the battles, have a great deal of experience with the participants, know the principals, and are much more skilled at invective. A few people here combine all those skills in one neat package. :D

#1169 red stick

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 15:52

Originally posted by xflow7


Where did you see that?


This isn't it, but the "hybrid" nature of the grid is kind of . . . amusing.

http://www.indycar.com/drivers/

IndyCar is evidently adding the new drivers as they are confirmed, and leaving the old teams until they announce their plans.

#1170 HaydenFan

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 18:12

Originally posted by red stick


This isn't it, but the "hybrid" nature of the grid is kind of . . . amusing.

http://www.indycar.com/drivers/

IndyCar is evidently adding the new drivers as they are confirmed, and leaving the old teams until they announce their plans.


Wondering when I look at that I see half the drivers with teams they will not be driving for at St. Petersburg. I kept seeing Buddy Rice there and thought he was out the door with the team.

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 18:38

Originally posted by red stick


This isn't it, but the "hybrid" nature of the grid is kind of . . . amusing.

http://www.indycar.com/drivers/

IndyCar is evidently adding the new drivers as they are confirmed, and leaving the old teams until they announce their plans.


Oh, interesting. I looked there before my post, but dismissed it as 2008 information. I didn't look closely enough to see that some of the associations are 2009. Strange approach....

#1172 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 19:09

Dale Coyne Racing are working on a deal to keep Justin Wilson in the IndyCar Series after the Briton lost his Newman/Haas/Lanigan drive.

Despite winning at Detroit last year, Wilson had to be released by Newman/Haas/Lanigan as they struggled to find sponsorship for 2009. According to American website speedtv.com, he could now follow in the footsteps of Cristiano da Matta and Bruno Junqueira by turning to Coyne's small team.

Although Coyne have never won a Champ Car or IndyCar race, they have regularly achieved impressive results against the odds and on a low budget.

But team owner Dale Coyne is aiming to take a major step forward this year having recruited former Ganassi engineer Bill Pappas, and is now eyeing Wilson as well.

"Bill is a great fit for this team and obviously Justin is one of the best drivers out there so we're going after it," Coyne told speedtv.com.

Wilson added: "I haven't signed a contract yet and we're still working on some things but it's looking good. I met Bill yesterday and Dale seems very intent on being competitive so I intend to make the most of it."

Coyne's 2008 driver Junqueira is also in contention should the team find funding for two cars. Junqueira's previous teammate Mario Moraes has moved to KV Racing.



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#1173 whitewaterMkII

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Posted 22 February 2009 - 20:22

Originally posted by xflow7
Where did you see that?


Here:
INDYCAR
Newman/Haas/Lanigan Racing (NHLR) announced today that Dutch driver Robert Doornbos, 27, will join the team for the 2009 IndyCar Series (ICS) season. Details of the sponsorship will be announced at a later date. While competing In the Champ Car World Series in 2007 as a rookie, Doornbos finished on the podium five of the first six races including a win in Mont Tremblant, Canada. He went on to finish third in season standings. Most recently Doornbos competed in the China and New Zealand rounds of the 2008/2009 A1GP series and finished on the podium twice in the four races (sprint and feature race per round).

The signing of Doornbos to NHLR has been rumored for weeks, as has been the addition of Milka Duno. However, the Duno deal has yet to come to fruition (or at least has not been announced.)
One theory is that the financing Duno was bringing has yet to fully materialize at the agreed upon level. If the money isn't there (enough to fund Duno and help fund Graham Rahal), it won't happen

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Posted 24 February 2009 - 10:42

N/H/L to test Duno :eek:

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/73402

#1175 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 24 February 2009 - 10:55

Me next me next!

#1176 potmotr

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Posted 24 February 2009 - 11:07

I know there's a credit crunch on, but Duno driving for one of the sport's top teams?

Surely she is nowhere near the calibre of driver N/H/L would look at. :|

She was so slow last year.

Are the team that desperate for cash, or is the size of her gold bag too big to refuse?

Wouldn't there be numerous drivers who can pay who would do a much better job?

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Posted 24 February 2009 - 12:56

Gold bag to much to refuse. Maybe they see more talent than us and think they can get her up to speed. Pox on the team if she sucks. I'll give her a few races

#1178 red stick

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Posted 24 February 2009 - 13:12

Testing at Miami. Coyne expected to announce Wilson and Junqueira.

http://www.indystar....8/1052/SPORTS01

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Posted 24 February 2009 - 13:25

TK expecting improved relations within AGR this season.

http://sports.espn.g...john&id=3929278

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#1180 red stick

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Posted 24 February 2009 - 13:45

Assuming latest rumors are correct, the field:

(2) Penske – Briscoe, Power.
Castroneves?
(4) AGR -- Kanaan, Andretti, Mutoh, and Patrick
(2) TGCR – Dixon, Franchitti
(2) NHL -- Rahal, Doornbos.
Duno?
(1) Foyt -- Meira
(1) Panther -- Wheldon
(1) Vision -- Carpenter
(1) Luzco Dragon -- Matos
(1) Fisher -- Fisher; perhaps a RR specialist
(1) 3G -- Barrett
(1) Dreyer and Reinbold – Conway
(2) Coyne – Junqueira, Wilson

Likely:

(1) Conquest – Tagliani? Perhaps Camara
(1) HVM – Viso. Perhaps RHR
(1) KV -- Moraes?

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Posted 24 February 2009 - 13:57

Originally posted by potmotr
I know there's a credit crunch on, but Duno driving for one of the sport's top teams?

Surely she is nowhere near the calibre of driver N/H/L would look at. :|

She was so slow last year.

Are the team that desperate for cash, or is the size of her gold bag too big to refuse?

Wouldn't there be numerous drivers who can pay who would do a much better job?


Again, it's an extra car. She's not doing anyone out of a job.

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Posted 24 February 2009 - 15:16

Mark - Thanks for the updated driver/ team list. The way I read this morning's Indy Star, you can add Roger Yasakawa for Dreyer & Reinbold at Motegi only. I don't know if they have any other race plans together.

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#1183 red stick

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Posted 24 February 2009 - 15:28

Originally posted by B Squared
Mark - Thanks for the updated driver/ team list. The way I read this morning's Indy Star, you can add Roger Yasakawa for Dreyer & Reinbold at Motegi only. I don't know if they have any other race plans together.

Brian


Saw that. There are probably several one-offs for Indy as well, but I was trying to stick to people who will be racing most or all of the schedule.

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Posted 24 February 2009 - 23:44

Originally posted by red stick
Assuming latest rumors are correct, the field:

Likely:
(1) Conquest – Tagliani? Perhaps Camara


Camara has money so he's ok I think..

Tagliani is trying to find money fpr the season, the plan is to do St.Petersburg and Long Beach to jump-start his season.. he's not even gonna test at Homestead..

#1185 HaydenFan

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 00:36

Originally posted by Slowinfastout


Camara has money so he's ok I think..

Tagliani is trying to find money fpr the season, the plan is to do St.Petersburg and Long Beach to jump-start his season.. he's not even gonna test at Homestead..


Probably a race by race deal. Camara runs one race, and then Tagliani runs the other. Camara runs the ovals, and Tagliani runs the road circuits.

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 01:34

Dixon fastest at today's Miami test; Briscoe and Franchitti also quick. Moraes posted 4th fastest time. Barrett slowest.

http://scoring.indycar.com/2008/

#1187 HaydenFan

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 02:25

6 mph in equal cars is a bit sad.

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 02:29

Originally posted by HaydenFan
6 mph in equal cars is a bit sad.


I was going to type that..

Wilson slow, no Servia or Hunter-Reay as well (..and no Tag as we said earlier)

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 02:34

Originally posted by Slowinfastout


I was going to type that..

Wilson slow, no Servia or Hunter-Reay as well (..and no Tag as we said earlier)

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It is about money in the US more than anywhere else. Unproven drivers like Moraes, Camara, and Conway gets seats, as well as the money whores and big last names, Duno, Foyt, Mutoh, and Viso gets seats.

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 08:45

For those who are interested, there is a live chat today with Robin Miller at 8 PM (GMT)/3 PM (ET).

http://auto-racing.s...er-weds-3pm-et/

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 10:00

Originally posted by HaydenFan


It is about money in the US more than anywhere else. Unproven drivers like Moraes, Camara, and Conway gets seats, as well as the money whores and big last names, Duno, Foyt, Mutoh, and Viso gets seats.


It's like that everywhere.

#1192 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 11:31

WTF happened to Justin? Or ar DC Racing just that slow  ;)

#1193 red stick

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 12:01

Originally posted by wewantourdarbyback
WTF happened to Justin? Or ar DC Racing just that slow  ;)


The chief engineer has been there less than a month, the driver less than a . . . day? They're pretty fast considering they're probably mostly making sure everything is properly screwed together.  ;)

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 12:43

Originally posted by red stick


The chief engineer has been there less than a month, the driver less than a . . . day? They're pretty fast considering they're probably mostly making sure everything is properly screwed together.  ;)

They worried about Justin's head being on the right way?

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 14:43

Originally posted by red stick
Testing at Miami. Coyne expected to announce Wilson and Junqueira.

http://www.indystar....8/1052/SPORTS01


That's a great line up!

Hope they have the wheels behind them :up:

#1196 red stick

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 14:44

Originally posted by wewantourdarbyback
They worried about Justin's head being on the right way?


:rotfl:

Yeah, yeah, that's what I meant!

The beauty about Wilson, as opposed to some other drivers I can think of (cough, Scheckter), is that part of the package is the assurance to the owner that you won't have to worry about that.

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 15:30

Justin Wilson is confident that he would be able to achieve good results with IndyCar underdogs Dale Coyne Racing if he completes a deal to join the team for this season.

Having lost his Newman/Haas/Lanigan Racing drive due to the team's need for sponsorship, the IndyCar and Champ Car race-winner is testing with Dale Coyne's small squad at Homestead this week.

"Obviously, we're looking forward to joining Dale Coyne Racing for this test and hopefully for the season," he said. "We're still working on finalising things."

The 30-year-old Briton insisted he was not concerned by Coyne's relative lack of resources and thinks the team will be boosted by the arrival of ex-Ganassi engineer Bill Pappas.

"I'm excited to be working with a great engineer in Bill Pappas," Wilson said. "We feel that we can do a lot with a little provided everything goes ahead."

Wilson was only 19th fastest on the first evening of testing, but said he had been concentrating on acclimatising to the Coyne team rather than chasing lap times.

"The main thing is take it easy, one step at a time," he said. "There are no prizes for the test. We'll build up to speed, work on our car and take it from there. It's more getting to know each other than proving ourselves right now."



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#1198 red stick

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 12:28

Overall results from the two days of practice at Homestead:

http://www.imscdn.co...sults-pcomb.pdf

And according to Viso, 13 is a lucky number in Italy. Who knew?

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 14:07

New team or not, Wilson/Dale Coyne look awfully far from the pace. They can improve by TWO whole seconds and still only just break into the top 10.

Promising effort by Conway, too.

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 15:21

Originally posted by TheHumanPromise
New team or not, Wilson/Dale Coyne look awfully far from the pace. They can improve by TWO whole seconds and still only just break into the top 10.

Promising effort by Conway, too.


It's testing. Different teams are trying to do different things.

From Robin Miller's notebook:

Justin Wilson, making his debut for Dale Coyne Racing, said starting back on an oval requires a different mindset than a road course. "We've been out of the car a long time and you can't just jump in and drive into the first turn at 210 mph. At least I can't," he said with a chuckle. "This is my third time here and I like to take my time and made gradual gains, which we've done."



http://auto-racing.s...g-notebook//P1/