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#201 F1Fanatic.co.uk

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Posted 28 November 2008 - 16:27

Viso and Doornbos at HVM:

http://blogs.indysta...t_doornbos.html

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#202 pingu666

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Posted 28 November 2008 - 17:21

i thought indycar had a limited test schedual anyways?

#203 red stick

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Posted 28 November 2008 - 18:33

Originally posted by F1Fanatic.co.uk
Viso and Doornbos at HVM:

http://blogs.indysta...t_doornbos.html


Cool. So we have:

More or less confirmed:

(2) Penske -- Briscoe. Castroneves or replacement.
(4) AGR -- Kanaan, Andretti, Mutoh, and Patrick
(2) TGCR -- Dixon and Franchitti
(1) NHL -- Rahal, perhaps a second.
(1) Foyt -- Meira
(1) Panther -- Wheldon, rumors of a second, maybe Pantano.
(2) Vision -- Carpenter and Foyt
(1) Luzco Dragon -- Matos
(1) Fisher -- Fisher; perhaps a RR specialist

(15 cars)

Not yet confirmed but likely:

(1) Conquest -- at least 1 (Tagliani?).
(2) HVM – Viso, Doornbos
(1) Dreyer and Reinbold -- Rice?
(1) Beck -- have announced deal for one car
(1) Rahal/Letterman -- TBA, should find a sponsor for at least one car

(21 cars)

Other possibilities:

(1) KV -- awaiting sponsorship. Cavin believes Vasser may continue with 1 car regardless of Kalkhoven.
(1) Coyne -- Nothing announced so far, but always finds a way.
(1) Rubicon?
PCM -- may run a limited schedule.

So Barnhart's figure can at least be more or less substantiated. I for one am glad to see that Doornbos may be coming back to American racing.

And as long as we're on the topic of field size, it strikes me that you can add Duno somewhere, if she's permitted by the league to race. In a down economy, isn't her sponsorship secure? Or was Citgo just for last year?

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Posted 28 November 2008 - 18:48

think it was citgo, shouldnt be too effected by the downturn, but the price of petrol has dropped

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Posted 28 November 2008 - 19:29

Originally posted by pingu666
think it was citgo, shouldnt be too effected by the downturn, but the price of petrol has dropped


I know it was Citgo; not sure if it was multi-year. :)

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Posted 28 November 2008 - 21:04

Originally posted by F1Fanatic.co.uk
Viso and Doornbos at HVM:

http://blogs.indysta...t_doornbos.html


That is astonishingly good news.

Originally posted by Rob


True, but she's not Danica, which is a plus in my books :up:


Oh she's smarter, more likeable and arguably the more talented oval driver.

Just she'll never get a full time ride at AGR unless she's sharing car 4 with a road racer.

I know it was Citgo; not sure if it was multi-year.


Citgo is owned by her government. It's likely that they'll still see it as worthwhile.

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Posted 28 November 2008 - 21:47

Originally posted by Dudley
Citgo is owned by her government. It's likely that they'll still see it as worthwhile.


That was my thinking. But I haven't seen anything on it, not even on her website.

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Posted 28 November 2008 - 23:08

Originally posted by red stick


That was my thinking. But I haven't seen anything on it, not even on her website.


I'm guessing it depends on the extent of which the worldwide recession has impacted on Venezuela's economy.

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Posted 28 November 2008 - 23:41

Hope Milka stays around for a bit. We can complain she's a marker but she held her own at Indy (before Buddy Lazier cut her off causing her to spin and only woman in the race to have a decent race) and Chicago.

#210 MonzaOne

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Posted 29 November 2008 - 00:14

Originally posted by Dudley
As much as I like her, Sarah is hideous on road courses, which will block her having a top line drive.


Oh come on - Fisher LOOKS like a fish wife. Her first task would be to get a makeover! Secondly, in any shootout I would still stake on Danica - a good driver that has raced overseas and after Desiree Wilson and Lella Lombardi the best women driver in racing ever.

And there is that matter that she was the highest placed American driver in the IRL and sixth as I recall in teh championship.

#211 Locai

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Posted 29 November 2008 - 01:59

The biggest issue facing most IndyCar teams (as well as all of motorsports) is finding sponsorship in the current worldwide economic situation.

All of the "probable" and many of the "confirmed" seats are conditional on sponsorship checks clearing. If the money doesn't come in, then the seats will disappear.

As much as I hate to see "Milk and Donuts" driving around 40 mph off the pace, my guess is that somebody will be desperate enough for sponsorship to put her in a car.

#212 red stick

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Posted 29 November 2008 - 05:36

Originally posted by MonzaOne
Oh come on - Fisher LOOKS like a fish wife. Her first task would be to get a makeover!



Sigh.

Remember what you're paying for this kind of incisive racing analysis, folks. :rolleyes:

#213 Dudley

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Posted 29 November 2008 - 11:52

Originally posted by MonzaOne


Oh come on - Fisher LOOKS like a fish wife. Her first task would be to get a makeover!


Go back to your cave.

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Posted 29 November 2008 - 22:10

Gee !! A sexist comment HERE !!! I'm shocked !!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Posted 29 November 2008 - 22:53

most people rate kubica highly and he isnt the handsomest man about ;)

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Posted 29 November 2008 - 23:38

What's Alex Lloyd gonna be doing next year? I'm guessing that with the economy as it is, that mooted 3rd Ganassi car ain't happening.

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 00:19

Originally posted by Keir
Gee !! A sexist comment HERE !!! I'm shocked !!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You are?
Involved women in racing, or this year, politics, are big targets.
Always have been, always will.
I will say this though, Janet Guthrie or Lyn St. James never got the ink, or comments that Sarah or Danica have.
And to be honest, I'd trade two Danica's for one Lyn St. James.

#218 red stick

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 00:27

Originally posted by Risil
What's Alex Lloyd gonna be doing next year? I'm guessing that with the economy as it is, that mooted 3rd Ganassi car ain't happening.


FWIW, Curt Cavin's thought earlier this week was, assuming HCN is not available and RHR goes to Penske, Lloyd would be a good fit at Rahal-Letterman.

http://blogs.indysta...n_and_alex.html

#219 TwoCents

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 00:31

Originally posted by red stick
RHR Goes to Penske


Whoa. Ryan Hunter-Reay to Penske? Where did that rumour come from?

Not that I would disagree with that decision.

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#220 red stick

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 00:37

Cavin's been kicking around the idea for a few weeks in his blog (although not his reporting), so I assume there's something to it. (Don't recall just off the top of my head whether Miller has suggested something similar.) The thought is Penske would like an American to go along with Briscoe, and RHR is young, did well last year, and there's tremendous upside.

#221 TwoCents

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 00:40

I rate Ryan Hunter-Reay very highly, and would love to see him get that seat.

#222 red stick

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 00:42

Which leads me to ask, when following IndyCar in the off-season, where do you go for news? Cavin writes pretty much every day in the Star, Miller has his weekly mailbag and occasional articles on SpeedTV.com. Gordon Kirby occasionally has news in his weekly blog. ESPN has largely shut down its coverage over the winter, as have the team websites. Any other sources of news?

#223 TwoCents

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 00:44

I'm the same as you, I check indystar.com and speedtv.com on a daily basis, plus indycar.com, and check the team websites every now and then. It's slim pickings though in the off-season :(

#224 red stick

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 00:47

Too bad there's not a jayski.com for IndyCar. Or, for that matter, F1.

What that guy does for NASCAR coverage is phenomenal.

#225 TwoCents

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 00:51

Definitely, that would help so much :up:

Although there is a blog site that is quite helpful for indyCar rumours I came across earlier, I think I posted it ^^.

EDIT: http://www.nofenders.....Indy Car.html

although it's been quiet even on that site.

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 02:03

Something mentioned by Cavin about Hunter Reay and Penske and not mentioned here is the conflict of RHR's fairly recent personal sponsorship from Izod, while Team Penske has long term ties with Hugo Boss. Not insurmontable, but it is worth mentioning. Not too sure about the American part of the equation for RP, I think he would be quite happy to have Castroneves & Briscoe if the circumstances allow it to be.

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 16:07

Well I'm sure Plan A is to keep HCN.

The nice thing, if such a thing is possible, about an expedited trial date is it concentrates the mind wonderfully. No putting it all off until next October. So either HCN is preparing for trial, and January-February will give us a flurry of pre-trial hearings, and/or he'll be negotiating with the prosecutors about some settlement aimed at saving his career. It may be mid-February before we have a good idea of which outcome will prevail.

#228 MonzaOne

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 16:11

Originally posted by B Squared
Something mentioned by Cavin about Hunter Reay and Penske and not mentioned here is the conflict of RHR's fairly recent personal sponsorship from Izod, while Team Penske has long term ties with Hugo Boss. Not insurmontable, but it is worth mentioning. Not too sure about the American part of the equation for RP, I think he would be quite happy to have Castroneves & Briscoe if the circumstances allow it to be.

Brian


There are two teams in motor racing that place image and turnout front and center and they are Mclaren and Penske.

I will be very surprised if Castroneves is not history at Penske regardless. And, if Castroneves has any sense of decency towards Roger Penske he should withdraw from the team in order to prevent an uncomortable position for a man whose team has enabled Castroneves to win the Indy 500 twice.

Personally I would have thrown Castroneves out for entering that dreadful tv series "Dancing With The Stars". When did racing drivers become so effeminate?

AJ would have died first before doing something like that!

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 16:16

Originally posted by whitewaterMkII

You are?
Involved women in racing, or this year, politics, are big targets.
Always have been, always will.
I will say this though, Janet Guthrie or Lyn St. James never got the ink, or comments that Sarah or Danica have.
And to be honest, I'd trade two Danica's for one Lyn St. James.


Lets not get all dewey eyed over St. James - yes she was a pioneer but she was just not in the same racing league as Danica. And I would like to add that until she joined AGR I was a big skeptic over Danica.

But Danica has the mettle and deserves the seat at a team that unless your name is Marco generally works against its own interests.

Michael and Marco are not Mario in any way shape or form.

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 16:27

Originally posted by MonzaOne
Michael and Marco are not Mario in any way shape or form.



Marco's still at the dawn of his career and only 21. Probably a little early to judge his legacy.

And the bar on your test may be a little high. As in, Rick Mears, A.J. Foyt, and Dan Gurney were all great racers, but they were no Mario.  ;)

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 16:32

Originally posted by MonzaOne

Personally I would have thrown Castroneves out for entering that dreadful tv series "Dancing With The Stars". When did racing drivers become so effeminate?


A chance to show off one's charm, grace, and bring needed attention to your profession?

Mario would have done it. :D

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 17:04

its a personal choice. but i go along with the first against the wall philosophy :D

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 17:04

Originally posted by MonzaOne


There are two teams in motor racing that place image and turnout front and center and they are Mclaren and Penske.

I will be very surprised if Castroneves is not history at Penske regardless. And, if Castroneves has any sense of decency towards Roger Penske he should withdraw from the team in order to prevent an uncomortable position for a man whose team has enabled Castroneves to win the Indy 500 twice.

Personally I would have thrown Castroneves out for entering that dreadful tv series "Dancing With The Stars". When did racing drivers become so effeminate?

AJ would have died first before doing something like that!


It's a difficult situation for the Penske team right now yes. Roger didn't get where he is if he didn't employ a certain ruthlessness in his business decisions. But Roger is also a decent man who looks after his drivers and gives, and expects back, loyalty. Ultimately it will be a business decision though as Penske is a business first and foremost. The fact that Castroneves hasn't been sacked yet tells me Penske will support him for as long as needed.

It may also be a case of both Penske and Castroneves needing each other. Sponsorship will play a big part here.

As for Helio's participation in Dancing..., ffs, are you that narrowminded.

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 17:12

Originally posted by red stick


A chance to show off one's charm, grace, and bring needed attention to your profession?


Being on some idiotic "reality" TV show is how one demonstrates charm and grace. The human race has sunk even lower than I suspected.

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 17:32

Originally posted by tifosi
Being on some idiotic "reality" TV show is how one demonstrates charm and grace. The human race has sunk even lower than I suspected.


I'm no fan of reality TV and don't watch any of the shows. And I did not watch even one episode of DWTS while HCN was competing. But yes, even on DWTS, dance is a chance to demonstrate charm, if you have it, and grace, which I think at his point is self-explanatory. Of course, we racing fans know that HCN demonstrates charm and grace in his chosen field on a regular basis. But we're a rather small segment of the population.

It should not take a PR consultant to figure out that the audience for a reality TV show like DWTS is considerably larger than the audience for automobile racing. Are you really going to begrudge HCN his opportunity to gain some good exposure for the sport? Good grief, the man did more than not embarrass himself. He won!

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 17:35

Originally posted by TwoCents
The fact that Castroneves hasn't been sacked yet tells me Penske will support him for as long as needed.


The optimist in me hopes that his continued employment suggests a real effort is being made to settle the matter before trial.

/crossed fingers/

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 17:37

Originally posted by red stick
It should not take a PR consultant to figure out that the audience for a reality TV show like DWTS is considerably larger than the audience for automobile racing. Are you really going to begrudge HCN his opportunity to gain some good exposure for the sport? Good grief, the man did more than not embarrass himself. He won!


I'm not even sure he did it for the sole purpose of gaining IndyCar some exposure. Look, he's a latin guy, they like to dance . Good on him, now get over yourselves.

I'm sure he has a hairy chest to compensate for his 'feminine' side for those of you who expect their racers to be alpha males.

The whole Helio/Dancing with the Stars thing is an old discussion anyway :yawn:

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 19:19

Originally posted by red stick



Marco's still at the dawn of his career and only 21. Probably a little early to judge his legacy.

And the bar on your test may be a little high. As in, Rick Mears, A.J. Foyt, and Dan Gurney were all great racers, but they were no Mario.  ;)


A driver does not get materially better than he is after the amount of time Marco has already had.

I would recommend [politely] that you reconsider the rest of your comment. Placing those three drivers alongside Mario is well deserved.

Rick Mears was not only an Indy 500 champion against the best in America, but he was probably one of the greatest oval drivers in history.

Bernie when he owned Brabham wanted to sign Mears alongside Piquet. And when Mears tested for Brabham he was a fraction slower than world champion Nelson Piquet first time out!

AJ Foyt won the Indy 500 4 times and the Le Mans 24 hours. His ability and determination and sheer toughness is every inch equal to Mario - albeit that I would place Mario technically ahead because of his world title win.

Dan Gurney did not have the results, but that was more about team decisions and the time, but he was always highly regarded by the man who in my view is the greatest driver ever, Jim Clark. Thats enough for me.

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 22:26

I think you missed my point. I'm not denigrating any of those drivers, all of whom I admire. Rick Mears was my childhood hero. But Mario's achievements in midgets, stock cars, champ cars and F1 tend to eclipse that of all other American drivers. I was just pointing out, half in jest, that when you set the bar at "x is not Mario," everyone is going to tend to look like an underachiever.

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 22:44

So ten months on and only NHL racing is left of all the ChampCar teams... and even them with only one car!? Jesus! :rolleyes:

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 23:12

And HVM, but even still - quite startling. I think it kind of reflects on how dire things were in Champ Car.

That said, if roles were reversed, I'm not sure many teams other than Ganassi, AGR, Vision and Penske would've been able to make the switch to Champ Cars and survived with any sort of certainty for too long. But then it starts to get into the cost of chassis, engines, tires, etc. And some would argue that Champ Car was the more affordable of the two series' (including a very strict rulebook that allows for little-to-no mechanical or aerodynamic changes to the car).

But of course, that's neither here nor there. The point is, it's pretty unfortunate to see how little of a presence Champ Car might have next season.

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 00:41

whatwho where the other champcar teams?

#243 red stick

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 01:01

It's a little early to count out Conquest, Dale Coyne, and Pacific Coast Motorsports. Forsythe is evidently headed for Indy Lights.

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 10:19

Originally posted by pingu666
whatwho where the other champcar teams?


Red stick's just about covered it but in Champ Car in 2007 were NHL (still 1 car in 09), HVM - As Minardi Team USA (1 or 2 cars in 09).
Ran in 08 but haven't confirmed 09 - Conquest Racing, Dale Coyne Racing and Pacific Coast Motorsports, KV (as PKV)
Didn't run in 08 - Forsythe, Rocketsports, RuSport (Both as RSport for part of 07) and Walker.

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 17:30

Anyone see that Aquarium Assetts (basically Forsythe and Kalkoven) outbid Ben Johnston for those 93 Cosi engines that listed at $250,000? I understand that the going price was $600,000.

- Trying to curtail competition?
- Is KK (who ownes Cosi) trying to buy them and resell them for profit? At $600k I doubt that the GPUSA Series will be able to afford a buy back.
- Will the engines go off to another series - IRL or something international which already exists?
- Garbage?

Sure would be nice if...

1. TG put Cotman in control.
2. TG told Honda and Dallara that for 09 all bets are off.
3. Subsequently canceled Motegi forever!
4. Handed over the 93 Cosi engines to teams for free - they only pay service charges to Cosi - KK makes money.
5. Opened up the chassis to anything which passes oval and road going tests - Reynard/Lola/Dallara/DP01.
6. Added Road America, Michigan International, Gateway and Cleveland while nixing Belle Island, Mid Ohio, Homestead and Iowa.

I can see some CC fans coming on board then.

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 17:32

Aport--

that would require tony to do something intelligent.

Is the rumor I heard that no one is getting any honda bux (agr included) true?

#247 aportinga

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 18:30

I heard that 09 holds that mis-fortune. But that is a rumor so who knows.

#248 red stick

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 18:32

How was the skiing?

#249 aportinga

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 20:45

Originally posted by red stick
How was the skiing?


No snow...

Got 5 inches of crap now - no good for snow skiing.

Great for playing with the kids tonight however :up:

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 21:34

Q: How many races will there be on the 2010 schedule?

George: Sixteen to 20 is a comfortable number for what we do. There will be opportunities for us to do more international outreach. ... Drivers want to drive every week. Assuming the operating budgets and sponsorships are there, we could do 20-22 races a year.

Q: Is IRL profitable as a stand-alone business?

George: Not yet.

Q: In 2013?

George: It has to be or there won’t be a 2013.


Taken from the SportsBusiness Daily/SportsBusiness Journal Motorsports Marketing Forum at the Westin at Times Square on Dec. 3, 2008