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#1 Gary C

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 20:14

Lads, am I right in thinking that the Lotus 58 is the only un-raced Lotus race car?

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#2 paulsenna1

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 20:18

Lotus 96 Indycar?

#3 2F-001

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 20:19

A couple of Indy/Champcars, perhaps?
I'm thinking of the 64 and the 96.

#4 Gary C

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 20:25

........didn't think of the 96! Whoops. The 64 too. Jochen didn't like that one, did he?

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 20:46

in real points F-1 the 88 due to the ban on it

#6 Gary C

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 20:52

whoops. Yes, of course, the 88. I'm not very good tonight, better get an early night, I think.

#7 Mark A

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 20:57

What about the Type 42? The 42F raced but the original 42 never did I believe.

There is also the Type 86.

The Type 88 never raced in period but has now.

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 21:03

Type 53?

#9 2F-001

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 21:13

I thought the 53 was never actually built (or at least never completed) - does that count as unraced?

#10 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 21:53

It nearly raced two years ago...

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#11 Vitesse2

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 22:16

AFAIK the 53 was never built.

Clark was supposed to test the 57 F2 car in April 1968. The equally unraced 58 was developed from that.

Another unbuilt one was the 67 - a proposed Tasman car.

Did the 68 (an F5000 prototype for the 70) ever race? I don't recall it doing so.

#12 962C

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 22:29

Does the 112 count?

#13 Paolo

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Posted 19 November 2008 - 02:15

Lotus 86, something like a prototype 88, never raced.

Edit: Mark A already pointed it out above, I didn't realize...

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Posted 19 November 2008 - 04:01

Originally posted by Vitesse2
Did the 68 (an F5000 prototype for the 70) ever race? I don't recall it doing so.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I seem to have read somewhere that the 68 was used by Mario Andretti at Sebring in December, 1969. It was the prototype 70. The 68 was rebuilt as a 70 and used by George Follmer in 1970.

Edit: Just checked Allen Brown's fine site, and he lists the 68 as I recalled above.

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Posted 19 November 2008 - 08:43

What about the ORIGINAL Lotus 7 never completed later to become the Claimonte Special. It was to be a single seater.

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Posted 19 November 2008 - 13:37

What about the Type 42? The 42F raced but the original 42 never did I believe

Were a couple of 42s modified to run with a 5-litre Ford V* for early F5000 by Jock Russell and Robs Lamplough??

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Posted 19 November 2008 - 13:38

What about the Type 42? The 42F raced but the original 42 never did I believe

Were a couple of 42s modified to run with a 5-litre Ford V8 for early F5000 by Jock Russell and Robs Lamplough??

#18 Peter Morley

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Posted 19 November 2008 - 16:35

Originally posted by bill patterson
What about the Type 42? The 42F raced but the original 42 never did I believe

Were a couple of 42s modified to run with a 5-litre Ford V8 for early F5000 by Jock Russell and Robs Lamplough??


No they were 43s - ex-BRM H-16 engined F1 cars

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Posted 20 November 2008 - 11:37

The first Lotus single seater was un-raced, the Lotus 12 chassis#301, which was the display car used for the London Motor Show in 1956. This car had a wooden mock up gearbox installed as the correct gearboxes were not available. The car still exists and is in the care of Classic Team Lotus
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#20 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 November 2008 - 12:43

A wooden mockup?

Surely it would have been easier to get a Magnette box and bolt it in, like in the Sabakat?

Sorry I didn't catch up with you the other night, Mike. Some other time, perhaps?

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Posted 20 November 2008 - 23:34

The display Lotus 12 for the motor show needed to look like the published and anticipated production version of the car. The mock up wooden gearbox was in the shape of the rear mounted combined gearbox and diff unit and looked quite realistic. Lotus only resorted to using the Magnette gearbox in #351 when the production gearboxes from ZF became further delayed and ACBC wanted to get a car on the road to start testing.
The motorshow car had also had all the welds on the chassis filed and polished down so its structural strength was in question too. Lovely piece of history and it would be nice to see it spruced up and available for display again.
Enjoyed the DD auction very much the mood seemed very up beat to me.
Regards Mike B

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Posted 21 November 2008 - 01:08

I have just checked in Doug Nye's book, "Theme Lotus" about the Lotus 12 (which I saw at Earls court and talked to Colin about it) and ZF only came into the picture when the "queer box" problems were sorted out and a producition version was produced by them. The show car had a wooden 'maquette" of the Lotus box.