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#1 sandy

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Posted 19 November 2008 - 08:17

If mention has been made of this book previously then sorry about bringing it up again, but I have just found a copy today and did not know it was in print. It is called The Hill, the Drivers, the Cars - A History of Rob Roy Hillclimb 1937 - 1961. I first went to Rob Roy, on the outskirts of Melbourne, in the late 50's, by hitch-hiking as being in my mid teens I couldn't have a car and there was no public transport. Rob Roy was the friendliest of race meetings and you really could mingle with the competitors and enjoy and be part of the whole atmosphere of the event. The competition was fierce and all of the great local drivers of the time would attend and have a go. The book provides great year by year coverage with plenty of good photos - 1907 18 litre Mercedes; 38 / 250 Mercedes Benz; K3s, Altas, Bugattis etc galore; the Maybach Special is featured; and of course plenty of Specials.

Author: Leon Sims. First published 2005 by Research Publications. Retail from Tony Johns Books, Melbourne. Hard cover and 312 pages.

Fascinating and a good fun read.

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#2 Derek Pitt

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Posted 19 November 2008 - 09:57

Melbourne Cup Day November 1960

FTD and new course record - G. W. Patterson T51 Cooper Climax 1960cc ...

Now, to see Bill Patterson, coming up to his Gold star Year, attack that hill in his GP Cooper would have been worth the hitch-hike !

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Posted 19 November 2008 - 10:40

I believe you were not alone hitch hiking out there...

My memory tells me that Peter Brock did the same.

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Posted 20 November 2008 - 07:28

Originally posted by Derek Pitt
Melbourne Cup Day November 1960

FTD and new course record - G. W. Patterson T51 Cooper Climax 1960cc ...

Now, to see Bill Patterson, coming up to his Gold star Year, attack that hill in his GP Cooper would have been worth the hitch-hike !

Derek

is he still alive?

#5 Derek Pitt

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Posted 20 November 2008 - 07:57

As far as I am aware Bill Patterson is still alive..he certainly was about 3 years ago.

Those who never saw him with the red mist lowered missed a treat....a total tiger, fearless and very very fast.

If you have Youtube, search for Fangio, then watch Fangio Brabham 1978, and you will se Bill Patterson in action, albeit 13 years after he retired. The commentator makes comment and it can be seen that Patto had lost none of his old tiger.

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Posted 20 November 2008 - 08:10

Originally posted by Derek Pitt
As far as I am aware Bill Patterson is still alive..he certainly was about 3 years ago.

Those who never saw him with the red mist lowered missed a treat....a total tiger, fearless and very very fast.

If you have Youtube, search for Fangio, then watch Fangio Brabham 1978, and you will se Bill Patterson in action, albeit 13 years after he retired. The commentator makes comment and it can be seen that Patto had lost none of his old tiger.

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just wondered,for years he had a pleasure boat down at the St Kilda marina.
Does he still own the Holden dealership?

#7 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 November 2008 - 08:22

Bill is a shadow of his former self...

After the court case, which released him (as an 82 year old in frail health) in the care of his wife rather than incarcerate him, he had almost nothing left. He'd sold the dealerships years earlier, gone into a little air service to the Bass Strait islands that lost a bundle and went bad and had very little left.

A few years ago he bucked himself up when he was able to buy a Commodore ute to drive around.

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Posted 20 November 2008 - 08:25

Originally posted by Ray Bell
Bill is a shadow of his former self...

After the court case, which released him (as an 82 year old in frail health) in the care of his wife rather than incarcerate him, he had almost nothing left. He'd sold the dealerships years earlier, gone into a little air service to the Bass Strait islands that lost a bundle and went bad and had very little left.

A few years ago he bucked himself up when he was able to buy a Commodore ute to drive around.

what was the court case over?

#9 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 November 2008 - 09:00

I'm not totally sure, but it was something similar to Pete Geoghegan's episode...

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Posted 20 November 2008 - 09:14

Originally posted by Ray Bell
I'm not totally sure, but it was something similar to Pete Geoghegan's episode...

oh yep,it was well known at the St Kilda marina.

#11 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 November 2008 - 09:40

Speaking of Patto and Rob Roy... he didn't start out there in a Formula 1 Cooper...

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And I have a couple of other Rob Roy pics:

This car I don't know, but it looks very neat:
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This is Peter Manton in the Campbell McLaren (ex-Harry Beith) Terraplane, November 1948, looking pretty active too:
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Frank Kleinig on his record run in the Hudson Special in 1948:
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From memory, all of those photos were given to me by Campbell McLaren. Maybe not the Kleinig pic.

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Posted 20 November 2008 - 10:01

Is car no 30 the JSR ?

#13 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 November 2008 - 10:03

I simply don't know, Dick... I just scanned it out of Campbell McLaren's album...

But it does look like it has the proportions of a TC, don't you think? Engine placement, carbies on the right, that sort of thing.

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Posted 20 November 2008 - 10:42

If I could find a pic of the JSR I would know, I saw a write up of it in a mag some time ago but can't remember which mag, old timer's disease !

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Posted 21 November 2008 - 02:30

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Here is a photo of Bill at Fishermna's Bend mid to late sixties

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Posted 21 November 2008 - 02:31

I mean mid to late fifties.

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Posted 21 November 2008 - 02:32

And what is that car beside the Minor, Humber Snipe or Hawk?

#18 Derek Pitt

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Posted 21 November 2008 - 04:33

Same car, same hill, different driver - circa 1992

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Posted 21 November 2008 - 04:36

Sandy,

Is Super Snipe.......Mk3

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Posted 21 November 2008 - 06:38

Originally posted by Derek Pitt
Sandy,

Is Super Snipe.......Mk3

Derek

its a MK4.

#21 Derek Pitt

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Posted 21 November 2008 - 07:51

Unknown open wheeler climbing the hill...i havent got a clue who or what it is though..anybody have any ideas?

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Posted 21 November 2008 - 08:05

Originally posted by Derek Pitt
Unknown open wheeler climbing the hill...i havent got a clue who or what it is though..anybody have any ideas?

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Leo Bates.

#23 Derek Pitt

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Posted 22 November 2008 - 03:02

A Cooper Bristol on the hill..

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 22:47

I saw an interesting thing at Rob Roy which is where the timing device consisted of two contacts on the end of a pole which was placed under the front wheel and as the wheel moved over it the contacts were compressed onto each other thus starting the time sequence.

On this particular occasion the car was a front wheel drive Citroen and the spinnng wheels tore up the pole and contacts and threw them across the track. Consternation at first then hilarity.

#25 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 23:09

Yes, the old 'hockey stick' gave rise to those issues...

But just imagine what it was like for someone holding one of those when Paul England's 4WD Ausca came up to the line!

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Posted 26 November 2008 - 01:47

Originally posted by Derek Pitt
A Cooper Bristol on the hill..

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The Cooper Bristol was a racing car to be sat on not in. Mike Hawthorn an example as was Syd Negus at Caversham.

I got to see a gaggle of Cooper Bristols in action at Silverstone in 1983. The drivers "all arms 'n elbows" with the transverse springs all wound up translating to odd wheel angles. Magic.

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Posted 26 November 2008 - 02:04

yes Wilyman,

The lack of driver protection of which you speak and as evidenced by that photograph really is quite scary !

They were brave guys

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Posted 26 November 2008 - 02:50

A rare sight at Rob Roy - a genuine Tasman car with a famous driver - unfortunately the nose cone did not like the sudden changes in vertical alignment of the roadway!!


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Posted 26 November 2008 - 03:00

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Now there's a photo that needs a caption!

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Posted 26 November 2008 - 05:03

I ran at Rob Roy last year and was adised to remove the nose lest it be wiped off in the dip which turned out to be good advice but it didn't do anything for the appearance of the car.

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#31 Derek Pitt

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Posted 26 November 2008 - 06:13

Dick,

That Brabahm would be a potential FTD on slicks at Rob Roy would it not?


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Posted 26 November 2008 - 06:46

It was Derek, just managed FTD but in retrospect it would have been even quicker if I had wound up the suspension from its circuit setup ( it had been to Phillip Island the previous weekend ) it was bottoming fairly badly over the dip so just as well the nose was off or it would have been ripped off.