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#1 911rsl

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Posted 20 November 2008 - 21:07

This 1983 info. correct ? (if so - please fill in cars/ group # , and results).

ERC Rallye della Lana

Capone / Pirollo Jolly Club / Totip 1st
Biasion / Siviero Jolly Club / Totip 2nd
Cunico / Bartolich Grifone / Wurth 3rd
Tabaton / Tedeschini Grifone / Wurth 5th
Cinotto / Cresto Tre Gazzelle / R6 DNF
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Please also for 1982


Thx, in advance.

PS - what's Totip , Wurth, R6 ? (thought Jolly Club, Grifone, Tre Gazzelle were team/entrants)

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#2 Carles Bosch

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Posted 21 November 2008 - 19:16

Originally posted by 911rsl
This 1983 info. correct ? (if so - please fill in cars/ group # , and results).

ERC Rallye della Lana

Capone / Pirollo Jolly Club / Totip 1st
Biasion / Siviero Jolly Club / Totip 2nd
Cunico / Bartolich Grifone / Wurth 3rd
Tabaton / Tedeschini Grifone / Wurth 5th
Cinotto / Cresto Tre Gazzelle / R6 DNF
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Please also for 1982


'82 Rallye della Lana
1, Massimo Biasion & 'Rudy', Opel Ascona 400, Group 4
2, Dario Cerrato & Giuseppe? Cerri, Opel Ascona 400, Group 4
3, Federico Ormezzano & Berro, Talbot Sunbeam Lotus, Group 2
4, Lupidi & Montenesi, Renault 5 Turbo, Group 4
5, Jean-Marie? Carron & Rattazzi, Porsche 911 turbo, Group 4
6, Carlo Capone & Luigi Pirollo, Fiat Ritmo Abarth 125, Group A
7, Balmer & Cavalli, Opel Ascona 400, Group 4
8, Antonella Mandelli & Maggi, Fiat Abarth 131 Rally, Group 4
9, Corthay & Reali, Porsche 911SC, Group 4
10, Gerbino & Angelino, Opel Kadett GT/E, ?
11, Fogagnolo & Pria, Renault 5 Turbo, Group B
12, Bruno? Bentivogli & Valbonetti, Alfa Romeo GTV6 2.5, Group N

'83 Rallye della Lana
1, Carlo Capone & Luigi Pirollo, Lancia 037 Rally, Group B
2, Massimo Biasion & Tiziano Siviero, Lancia 037 Rally, Group B
3, Franco Cunico & Ergy? Bartolich, Lancia 037 Rally, Group B
4, Dario Cerrato & Giuseppe? Cerri, Opel Manta 400, Group B
5, Fabrizio Tabaton & Tedeschini, Lancia 037 Rally, Group B
6, Jean-Marie? Carron & Racine, Porsche 930 turbo, Group 4
7, Chapuis & Remy, Porsche 930 turbo, Group 4
8, Cassinis & Necco, Opel Manta GT/E, Group A
9, Raineri & Miselli, Fiat Ritmo Abarth 125, Group A
10, Barbarigo & Maulini, Porsche 911SC, Group B
11, ?
12, Maneo & Zangrandi, Alfa Romeo GTV6 2.5, Group N
13, 'Tchine' & Pierre or Gilles? Thimonier, Opel Ascona i2000, Group 2
14, Fabbri & Cecchini, Fiat Ritmo Abarth 125, Group N



Thx, in advance.

PS - what's Totip , Wurth, R6 ? (thought Jolly Club, Grifone, Tre Gazzelle were team/entrants)


Totip was/is the italian equestrian sports lotteries, Würth is a well-known brand of automotive workshops products & R6 is an italian tobacco brand.

Jolly Club, Griffone & Tre Gazzelle were Lancia's satelites entrants.



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#3 911rsl

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Posted 28 November 2008 - 20:07

Thx very much Carles Bosch ,

Can you help me me with overall top finishers for 1975 & 1976 333 Minuti ?

And 1976 Coppa Liburna ?

Very important to me.

thx again
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PS - I have some clarification for YOU on those Rallye Della Lana results - For the Carron info 1982 IS Jean-Marie C. (della Lana)

But your 1983 results (della Lana) - it is "Philippe" Carron - instead of Jean Marie (Philippe Eckert was J-M. Carron's 1983 Co-Driver ) you can verify at http://www.criterium-jurassien.ch/ , "archives" then "Palmares".
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And now you just made me realise that what i was feeling for the last year (that CH Rally website had their 1981 Champion results wrong ) - on one webpage (the more prominent one ) it had Philippe C. as 1981 CH Champion (but on another page / podiums - showing top 3 and team sponsor names, it said Jean-Marie ?).

And I thought maybe 1981 CH Champion WAS philippe as on Jurassien's Palmares webpage for 1981 it has "PH Carron/Schaer" as 2nd place finisher.

SO - since Schaer was Jean-Maries Main Co-driver for 1975 & 1976 - i figured he was also for 1981 . AND that Jurassiens Palmares had made a mistake between brothers.


But NOW I realise (and in last month CH Championship Website has CHANGED the one page correcting 1981 to J-M C. ! - i had sent them a ?? mark concerning it ), that it WAS Ph. Carron/ Schaer at Jurrassien in 1981 . And Rattazzi WAS J-M Carron's 1981 Co-Driver , and they (J-M) Carron Rattazzi WERE 1981 Swiss Champions.

My explaination might seem somewhat confusing and if you look at the CH website NOW - you might not get confused . But with the DOUBLE listing they had Prior combined with knowing Jean-Marie used Schaer as a Co-D for many years. I can asuure you - it WAS.

If anyone can come up with the results for any of these other 1981 rallyes :

13 Etoiles
Reichsstadt
Coppa Liburna
Rallye du Vin
Rallye de Court

showing Rattazzi with Jean-Marie or Philippe , i will know for certain.
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Any help on the 1975/76 333 Minuti

& 1976 Coppa Liburna will be very appreciated.

Thx to all for help.

#4 Carles Bosch

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Posted 29 November 2008 - 08:18

'81 Rallye du Vin
1, Jimmy McRae & John Nicholson, Opel Ascona 400, Group 4
2, Jean Ragnotti & Jean-Marc Andrié, Renault 5 Turbo, Group 4
3, Attila Ferjancz & Dr. Janos Tandari, Renault 5 Turbo, Group 4
4, Carron & Rattazzi, Porsche 911SC, Group 4
5, Balmer & Eckert, Opel Ascona 400, Group 4
6, Gall & Gunter, Porsche 911SC, Group 4
7, Savioz & Schupback, Porsche 911SC, Group 4
8, Maye & Kulmer, Opel Kadett GT/E, Group 2
9, Terrani & Govi, Opel Kadett GT/E, ?
10, Trajbold & Gottfried, Škoda 130RS, ?


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Posted 29 November 2008 - 11:10

Mike Nicholson with McRae. (he must be J.M. Nicholson).

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Posted 29 November 2008 - 16:19

Originally posted by RS2000
Mike Nicholson with McRae. (he must be J.M. Nicholson).



Of course, you're right: Nicholson's first name is Mike.


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#7 911rsl

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Posted 29 November 2008 - 20:58

Carles,

Thx - once again.

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 16:53

carles,

you probably already have seen my querries for these results. but in case you hadn't .

do you have any for :

1975

Rallye du Vin
Rallye de Court
333 Minuti

1976

Rallye des Neige
Rallye d'Uri (also called Rallye du Gotthard)
Rallye de Court
333 Minuti

need overall results for full rallye's (if any - where the 2 part kind : CH national & other ( ERC ?)

I have the CH National results - are they the same for all above (CH national results same as overall ? i don't think so).

thx again for your earlier help - and in advance for any more .

these are probably in (?) a CH magazine editions from 1975 & 76 called "Powerslide".

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 20:10

I'm sorry but I haven't found this results in any of my magazines. Maybe Jorge (jrally) can help you...



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#10 911rsl

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 22:05

thx Carles,

Do you know which were ERC round events ?

(I think the 333's ? - I do not know about any of the others I have listed ?)

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Posted 07 December 2008 - 11:56

Hi,

Once I'm not able to send You this, here what I could find till now ! Hope it helps !

Jean Marie Carron

1975
1st Rallye du Vin (Porsche Carrera RS) c/ Pierre Schaer
1st Rallye de Court (Porsche Carrera RS) c/ Pierre Schaer
1st Rallye 333 m (Porsche Carrera RS) c/ Pierre Schaer

1976
1st Rally Lugano (Porsche Carrera RS) c/Pierre Schaer (International)
2nd Rally Lugano (Porsche Carrera RS) c/Pierre Schaer (National)

6th Critérium Lucien Bianchi (Porsche Carrera RS) c/Pierre Schaer
1st Rallye D’Uri (Porsche Carrera RS) c/ Pierre Schaer
1st Rallye de Court (Porsche Carrera RS) c/ Pierre Schaer
1st Rallye 333 m (Porsche Carrera RS) c/ Pierre Schaer
2nd Rallye des Neiges (Porsche Carrera RS) c/ Pierre Schaer

1977
3th 24 Heures de Ypres (Porsche Carrera RS) c/ Pierre Schaer
4th Rallye Coppa Liburna (Porsche Carrera RS) c/ Pierre Schaer

1979
1st Rallye de Vaud (Porsche 911 SC) c/ Pierre-André Jaquemet

1981
4th Rally du Vin (Porsche 911 SC) c/ Ugo Rattazzi
3rd Rallye du Mont Blanc (Porsche 911 SC) c/ Ugo Rattazzi
2nd Rallye des 13 Etoiles (Porsche 911 SC) c/ Ugo Rattazzi
1st Rallye Reichstadt (Porsche 911 SC) c/ Ugo Rattazzi
1st Rallye Coppa Liburna (Porsche 911 SC) c/ Ugo Rattazzi
2nd Rallye de Court (Porsche 911 SC) c/ Ugo Rattazzi

1982
5th Rallye della Lana (Porsche 930 Turbo) c/Ugo Rattazzi
7th Rallye du Vin (Porsche 930 Turbo) c/Ugo Rattazzi
1st Critérium Jurassien (Porsche 930 Turbo) c/ Ugo Rattazzi

1983
6th Rallye della Lana (Porsche 930 Turbo) c/Serge Racine

1984
8th Rallye du Vin (Porsche 930 Turbo) c/ Laurent Lattion

1985
1st Critérium Jurassien (Audi Quattro) c/ Laurent Lattion
3rd Rallye du Salève (Audi Quattro) c/ Laurent Lattion
4th Rallye des Alpes Vaudoises (Audi Quattro) c/ Laurent Lattion
1st Rallye Reichstadt (Audi Quattro) c/ Laurent Lattion

1986
AB Critérium Jurassien (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine (?)
7th Rallye Genf-Salève (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine
7th Rallye de Lugano (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine
6th Rallye des Alpes Vaudoises (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine
AB Rallye della Lana (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine (cardan)
? Rallye Baden-Wurtemberg (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine (2nd Group A)
5th Rallye St-Cergue (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine
6th Rallye de Court (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine
AB Rallye du Valais (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine (boite de vitesses)

1987
7th Rallye du Valais (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine
2nd Critérium Jurassien (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/Serge Racine
AB Rallye Bad-Wurtemberg (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/Serge Racine (cardan)
4th Rallye de Genève-Salève (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine
AB Rallye Lugano (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/Serge Racine (moteur)
2nd Rallye di Varese (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine
2nd Rallye des Alpes Vaudoises (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine
4th Rallye St-Cergue (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine
AB Rallye de Court (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/Serge Racine (pont)

1989
6th Critérium Jurassien (Lancia Delta HF Integrale) c/ ? Maire
10th Rallye Genéve-Saleve ((Lancia Delta HF Integrale) c/ ? Maire
5th Rallye du Valais (Lancia Delta HF Integrale) c/Serge Racine

1990
6th Rallye du Valais (Lancia Delta HF Integrale) c/ Christian Monnet

1993
9th Rallye della Lana (Ford Escort RS Cosworth) c/ Christian Monnet
5th Rallye du Valais (Ford Escort RS Cosworth) c/ Christian Monnet
3rd Critérium Jurassien (Ford Sierra RS Cosworth) c/ Serge Racine

1994
5th Rallye du Valais (Ford Escort RS Cosworth) c/ Christian Monnet

1995
2nd Rallye Alsace Vosges (Ford Escort RS Cosworth) c/Christian Monnet
3rd Rallye du Valais (Ford Escort RS Cosworth) c/Serge Racine

1996
5th Rallye du Valais (Ford Escort RS Cosworth) c/ Marie Jeanne Carron
2nd Critérium Jurassien (Ford Escort RS Cosworth) c/ Christian Monnet
1st Rallye dei Laghi (Ford Escort RS Cosworth) c/ Christian Monnet
2nd Rallye des Alpes Vaudoises (Ford Escort RS Cosworth) c/ Christian Monnet
4th Rallye St-Cergue (Ford Escort RS Cosworth) c/ Marie Jeanne Carron


I've some doubts regarding 1989, if it's Jean Marie or any other Carron. I just put it because he had participated in the Valais Rally with a Lancia Delta Integrale. So, be cautious .. If it's him, do You know the complete name of his co-driver, Maire ?

Regarding the 70's, not to much material ... just try, as You've done, get the final classifications of www.swissrally .

In most part of the international rallyes outside Switzerland I provide the final classification in that championship and not overall positions.

I will try to see what I could find regarding 90-97 ...

Best regards
jorge

#12 911rsl

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Posted 07 December 2008 - 22:22

thx jorge ,

VERY NICE !

I'm assuming that unless otherwise noted with a "National" (CH) notation that these are overall (International ) results ?

Can you tell me where you have the 1975 & 1976 results from (you have in any publications ?)
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Heres some National (also Int. overall ?) results for 1979:

2nd Criterium Neuchatelois
1st Rallye Saint - Cergue
1st Rallye 13 Etoiles


Also, look at the Criterium Jurrasien's website (palmares) & same from CH Rally Championship's (archives) -

In 1983 , at least at Criterium Jurassien - 1st. And Rallye du Gotthard - 2nd (National only ? ) previously/ or also called Rallyed'Uri - with Co-Driver Philippe Eckert

And CH Champ. does not have him listed at 1983 Rallye della Lana ?

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And in 1989 CH Champ website has BOTH Carron/Racine & Dubler/Dupraz at 4th ?

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In 1993

CH Champ archives - has 2nd in CH Championship (Vice Champion) & everything with Monnet(but from Jurasien site we see obviously it was Racine there ):

Rallye della Lana - 1st (this must be just National ?)

& do not have him running Valais ?

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I think you are very close .

Again my main question is were are you getting the 1975 & 76 results.

If you have anything in print (75/76/77) - can you share copies ?

I think these all should be in a CH Magazine called "powerslide" (possibly - I know that they covered Road course 'Tarmac' events in CH / and elsewhere for the CH - SPORTWAGEN SCHWEIZER MEISTERSCHAFT series.
I do not know if they covered Rally ?

I have seen a few paragraph's concerning various 1973 CH road course events from Powerslide (taken from - i've never actually seen a magazine itself).

thx again

911rsl

PS - so obviously this listed results of 1976 / "333 Minuti: Adartico Vudafieri/Bonaga – Lancia Stratos HF" (meaning winner) on www.bilhistorie.no is incorrect ?

Do you have an actual finish for Vudafieri at 1976 333 so i can put that mistake to bed ?