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[Lola5000]

Was raced in historics in the 80's by Roger Mac when owned by John Lewis.
Bobby Unser ran it in a rally also.

[Red Socks]

AFAIK John Lewis retired it after the Bobby Unser Pirelli experience-can't remember who paid for the damge- and still has the car.

[Lola5000]

Originally posted by Red Socks
AFAIK John Lewis retired it after the Bobby Unser Pirelli experience-can't remember who paid for the damge- and still has the car.

when i was younger,it was my favourite car any photos?

[Lola5000]

Any photos or details?

[RCH]

I'm probably wrong but wasn't the E type that Roger Mac raced in the '80's the second CUT7? After Protheroe crashed it in testing before racing it he was offered the lowdrag coupe so he sold this one on to Lewis who entered it for the then teenage Mac. They later replaced it with the ex. Atkins/Salvadori Lightweight but John Lewis either kept the original car or reaquired it for Mac to race in the '80's.

I seem to remember piecing this together after I was told that the car I had seen Mac racing at Silverstone was "definately" the ex-Protheroe car but it clearly wasn't either of the CUT 7s associated with him.
Or am I dreaming?

[Lola5000]

I'm probably wrong but wasn't the E type that Roger Mac raced in the '80's the second CUT7? After Protheroe crashed it in testing before racing it he was offered the lowdrag coupe so he sold this one on to Lewis who entered it for the then teenage Mac. They later replaced it with the ex. Atkins/Salvadori Lightweight but John Lewis either kept the original car or reaquired it for Mac to race in the '80's.

I seem to remember piecing this together after I was told that the car I had seen Mac racing at Silverstone was "definately" the ex-Protheroe car but it clearly wasn't either of the CUT 7s associated with him.
Or am I dreaming?

I remember it as being a dark blue roadster,that was very successful in historic raing in the early/mid 80s.That Bobby Unser ran it in a Pirelli rally.Seems a pity its not at the Goodwood style meetings.

[Ted Walker]

Yes the 2nd CUT 7 was WRITTEN OFF by Roger Mac in the 60s. it was RE_CREATED by John lewis in the 80s

[Lola5000]

Yes the 2nd CUT 7 was WRITTEN OFF by Roger Mac in the 60s. it was RE_CREATED by John lewis in the 80s

thankyou,from memory the motor was done by Forward engineering.

[tonyb]

The car was featured in an article in Classic and Sportscar from May 1984, Vol 3 No 2 and a copy of that mag is on eBay at the moment .

"Déjà vu on DJU – The Blue Jaguar E-type registered 256 DJU is known today for Roger Mac’s European Historic Sports/GT racing exploits. But race goers 20 years ago have seen it all before for Mac first made his name in the very same car. Andrew Whyte relates its incredible history during the intervening years, and Willie Green takes it onto the track"

Edited by tonyb, 28 June 2009 - 11:00.

[Lola5000]

Nigel Mansell also raced it a few times in 80/1.

[RCH]

Yes the 2nd CUT 7 was WRITTEN OFF by Roger Mac in the 60s. it was RE_CREATED by John lewis in the 80s

Thanks for the info. Amazing what appears in the back of the mind when prompted, but then if it refers to racing E types I'm always interested.

A little off topic but are the present whereabouts of the 1962 Lumsden/Sargent "Coupe" known? I saw a car which I thought may have been this through the dusty window of a car dealer somewhere round the back of Charing Cross Station way back in 1969/70. A couple of years ago I had the priveledge of speaking to Peter Sargent and he said he had seen it for sale himself around that time somewhere in London.

One of those "if only I hadn't been in a hurry" moments.

[tonyb]

A little off topic but are the present whereabouts of the 1962 Lumsden/Sargent "Coupe" known? I saw a car which I thought may have been this through the dusty window of a car dealer somewhere round the back of Charing Cross Station way back in 1969/70. A couple of years ago I had the priveledge of speaking to Peter Sargent and he said he had seen it for sale himself around that time somewhere in London.

If my memory serves and I had a quick book check, do you mean 49 FXN (chassis S850663) of Peter Lumsden and Peter Sargent?

If so, then it was certainly well at Goodwood four days ago! This is the only photo of it I took that day though I may have others ...

[RCH]

That looks like the Lightweight Coupe fom 1963/4 which now appears regularly. Don't have reference material to hand but I meant the car that finished 5th. at Le Mans in 1962.

Lovely picture by the way.

Edited by RCH, 28 June 2009 - 11:33.

[tonyb]

That looks like the Lightweight Coupe fom 1963/4 which now appears regularly. Don't have reference material to hand but I meant the car that finished 5th. at Le Mans in 1962.
Lovely picture by the way.

I think that's '898 BYR' but I don't believe I have any current photos or info. I know a man that likely will if you can wait a couple of days though ...

There's a photo of it at the top of p261 of Andrew's Jaguar Sports Cars... He mentions it was surviving ca 1975.

Edited by tonyb, 28 June 2009 - 11:39.

[tonyb]

Lovely picture by the way.

Ta - here's one a few weeks back from the front ....

[RCH]

Dammit, I'm supposed to be doing my VAT return and now I've spent all morning on E Types! A quick google search has brought up chassis no. S850009.

Edited to add, quick search on the DVLA site 898 BYR is currently taxed.

Edited by RCH, 28 June 2009 - 12:14.

[Red Socks]

Nigel Mansell also raced it a few times in 80/1.

No, he practised it once at Silverstone and the brakes failed. It was damaged such that he did not race it.

[Red Socks]

Dammit, I'm supposed to be doing my VAT return and now I've spent all morning on E Types! A quick google search has brought up chassis no. S850009.

Edited to add, quick search on the DVLA site 898 BYR is currently taxed.

And belongs surely to Allen Lloyd.

[RCH]

Of course it does! My memory seems very selective, sorry to have wasted everyone's time.

[Lola5000]

alsol just found a write up by Innes Ireland T H cars may 1990.
explains history including re build in the late 60s ect.

[Ted Walker]

In earlier days it was raced by John Scott-Davies,and later by David Cottingham.

[Lola5000]

In earlier days it was raced by John Scott-Davies,and later by David Cottingham.

How far removed is from todays E-types racing in Historics,would it be up the pointed end of the field?

[doublefourvalve]

Excuse to introduce amongst connoisseurs, but I'm pretty sure (from research...) 898BYR and 49FXN are different cars, the first one beeing a standard (steel) roadster adapted as a coupe lookalike (LM 62 and other races, s850009); and 49FXN a Lightweight (S850663) rebodied as a lowdrag coupe. Both from Peter Lumsden/Peter Sargent. Could I be right?

Zé

Edited by doublefourvalve, 29 June 2009 - 18:10.

[tonyb]

Excuse to introduce amongst connoisseurs, but I'm pretty sure (from research...) 898BYR and 49FXN are different cars, the first one beeing a standard (steel) roadster adapted as a coupe lookalike (LM 62 and other races, s850009); and 49FXN a Lightweight (S850663) rebodied as a lowdrag coupe. Both from Peter Lumsden/Peter Sargent. Could I be right?

Zé

Yes, I don't think anyone is disputing that?

[doublefourvalve]

Yes, I don't think anyone is disputing that?

After your remark and upon reading the thread with more attention, you've really made the distinction (898BYR Vs 49FXN). Sorry, my mistake.

Zé

[Lola5000]

Be great to see this car and Mac racing at any of the E-Type races in 2011.
So any photos of her?
When did she last race?

[Ted Walker]

Still owned by John lewis 2011

[Lola5000]

Still owned by John lewis 2011

Ted any idea what its been doing since the 80s when it was raced by Mac for lewis?
Years ago it was favourite E-Type and yet its not known on the various E-type forums.

[sterling49]

Just thought I'd add a photo of mine, taken by a mate in 1964, when we used to cycle to Brands almost weekly, one of my favourite cars, sorry for picture quality...............






Photo courtesy of Robert B, in France.

[Lola5000]

Just thought I'd add a photo of mine, taken by a mate in 1964, when we used to cycle to Brands almost weekly, one of my favourite cars, sorry for picture quality...............






Photo courtesy of Robert B, in France.

Any photos of the Lewis/Mac car?

[sterling49]

Sorry, none known, when I visit Robert later in the year, I will peruse his albums though..............

[Lola5000]

Sorry, none known, when I visit Robert later in the year, I will peruse his albums though..............

that would be great,I've got a '64 roadster that is black always run the hardtop,its a special car well built running period 7 inch rims,injection,alloy boot and bonnet.

[Red Socks]

Ted any idea what its been doing since the 80s when it was raced by Mac for lewis?
Years ago it was favourite E-Type and yet its not known on the various E-type forums.

Sitting in John Lewis's garage.

[RCH]

Any photos of the Lewis/Mac car?

I may have some photos of it from the '80's. Will have to wade through piles of old photos.... I may be some time!

[Lola5000]

I may have some photos of it from the '80's. Will have to wade through piles of old photos.... I may be some time!

That would be great,I've got 2 magazine articles on her,DVD with Al Unser driving,seems a shame its no longer racing considering the success it had in the 80s.

[Lola5000]

Any updates on this car?

[elansprint72]

Any updates on this car?

It is still registered for road use in the UK.