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#1 brickyard

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 20:29

Hello my friends,

I'm preparing a big upload/update of my site and this time with the inclusion of the Angola and Mozambique international races. I'm with the Angola GP by now but I have some doubts:

at the '63 Angolan GP, the belgian drivers Lucien Bianchi and "Remordu" participated with Ferraris. According to some sorces Bianchi was at the wheel of #14 Ferrari 250 GT Drogo (chassis #2053 GT) and "Remordu" drove #20 Ferrari 250 GTO (chassis #3757 GT), but I also found other sorces that stated it was Biachi who drove the GTO and "Remordu" the Drogo special. Also I supose the GTO wasn't chassis #3757 GT.
Any help with this one?

Also, at the 1964 GP, there were 3 Lotus 23 racing there for Toni Hildebrand, Bill Bradshaw and Brausch Niemann. Does anybody knows there chassis numbers and car colours?

Thank you in advance.

Best regards and a Happy New Year
Luis Mateus

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#2 r.atlos

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 22:39

There is one postcard from the 1964 grid which Ricardo Grilo has also shown on his webpage:

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The Lotus 23 in British Racing Green which we see in row 2 with race number 8 is probably the car of Brausch Niemann. You can compare it with photos from 1963 and I feel quite certain that he is the only candidate.

In row 3 you find a white 23 (race number 2) with what appears to be a red centre stripe. Both 23s that Bill Bradshaw had were white although Ricardo indicates this car as being Tonio Hildebrand's.

Hildebrand's car used to be "dark" (BRG, I think) with a "clear" (white or probably yellow) center stripe. That has been the case in Luanda in 1963 as well as in all Dutch races that year. As we do not see any such car on the grid it might have been further back - unless he had not come with his own car and borrowed one for the occasion ...

#3 EDWARD FITZGERALD

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 22:47

I will contact Bill Bradshaw and check for you next week.

#4 brickyard

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 14:54

:up:

Thank you r.atlos and Edward. I'm glad you can ask Mr. Bradshaw.

#5 brickyard

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Posted 15 January 2009 - 21:55

Originally posted by EDWARD FITZGERALD
I will contact Bill Bradshaw and check for you next week.


Hello Edward.
Any news from Mr. Bradshaw?

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Posted 15 January 2009 - 23:02

Originally posted by r.atlos
There is one postcard from the 1964 grid which Ricardo Grilo has also shown on his webpage:

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The Lotus 23 in British Racing Green which we see in row 2 with race number 8 is probably the car of Brausch Niemann. You can compare it with photos from 1963 and I feel quite certain that he is the only candidate.

In row 3 you find a white 23 (race number 2) with what appears to be a red centre stripe. Both 23s that Bill Bradshaw had were white although Ricardo indicates this car as being Tonio Hildebrand's.

Hildebrand's car used to be "dark" (BRG, I think) with a "clear" (white or probably yellow) center stripe. That has been the case in Luanda in 1963 as well as in all Dutch races that year. As we do not see any such car on the grid it might have been further back - unless he had not come with his own car and borrowed one for the occasion ...


Would that be the good Dr, Dawie Gous, in his Porsche spider in the third row (16?)?

#7 brickyard

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Posted 15 January 2009 - 23:14

No, it's the RSK of Herman Muller.

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#8 Elford68

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 12:45

I am also interested on results, photos and reports of Angolan GP

#9 Ralf Pickel

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Posted 22 January 2011 - 12:44

:up:

Thank you r.atlos and Edward. I'm glad you can ask Mr. Bradshaw.


Is that Bill Bradshaw who did race a Formula Junior in 1963 ?

Ralf

#10 Bruno

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Posted 22 January 2011 - 16:59

1963:

http://wsrp.wz.cz/nonchamp1963.html#60

1964:

http://wsrp.wz.cz/nonchamp1964.html#75


#11 barrykm

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Posted 22 January 2011 - 17:28

Would that be the good Dr, Dawie Gous, in his Porsche spider in the third row (16?)?


Great to remember Dawie Gouws. As a young chap I clearly remember watching him at the Roy Hesketh circuit in Pietermaritzburg in the early '60s, regularly running away from everyone in most sports car races.

I do seem to recall that in 1964 his car was a newer model spyder (than his previous car/s) and was red with a white stripe?

BTW, what a field made up those first few rows! Would love to see them all compete again. Brausch Nieman in a 23 was something special!

Edited by barrykm, 22 January 2011 - 17:29.