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#1 MGB85ep

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 14:36

In 1967 David Piper drove a green Ferrari 330P4 at Daytona. The car dnf'd with gearbox problems. I have scoured the internet to find a detailed picture of this car with no luck. The only picture I have found is on Racingsportscars.com. It is a lousy picture with the Ferrari in the background behind a TR4.

Would anyone have any information or pictures of this car.


Thanks
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#2 hipperson

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 15:06

Coys Silverstone 1999

Right car...wrong year....wrong place. But there, a nice pic

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 15:09

More..Revival 2005/6 I think . Celebrating 40 years of JYS

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#4 hipperson

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 15:11

The main man....Revival 08

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#5 MGB85ep

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 15:12

Thanks.....I am a model builder and would like to do this car. I need pictures that show the graphics that were on the car. Specially the rectangular one behind the side windows.

#6 Paul Parker

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 15:14

The Ferrari was in fact a 365P2 chassis 0836 and if you contact Ted Walker at Ferret (who posts on here) he has a Daytona colour picture, I know because I nearly used it in Sports Car Racing in Camera 1960-69, but cannot remember if it is the one you are referring to.

Alternatively if you are interested in the car elsewhere and its distinctive BP green colour a reasonable image can be seen on p193 of the book showing Siffert racing past the pits at Reims later that year. This image can also be viewed in small format on the LAT site from whence it was sourced.

I hope this helps.

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 15:17

Originally posted by MGB85ep
In 1967 David Piper drove a green Ferrari 330P4 at Daytona. The car dnf'd with gearbox problems.

Are you sure Colin? I think you mean Piper drove his P2

#8 MGB85ep

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 15:27

Absolutely correct. It was a 365P2. Whatever was I thinking:-).

Regardless, thanks for the info.....I will get it right yet.

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 15:37

The issue is, I have a model of a 330P4 which I do not want to do in typical Ferrari Red. Seems the only person that raced a 330 other than red was David Piper. I am trying to track down anything that I can replicate with this kit. That also includes the 412's

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I have committed myself to green so any suggestions would be welcomed.

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 15:48

Originally posted by MGB85ep
The issue is, I have a model of a 330P4 which I do not want to do in typical Ferrari Red. Seems the only person that raced a 330 other than red was David Piper. I am trying to track down anything that I can replicate with this kit. That also includes the 412's

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I have committed myself to green so any suggestions would be welcomed.


The model has P4 mirrors, but the only other coloured ones were type 412P which were a little different. I'll go & look for my photos & hopefully post them later.

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 15:56

A lot of modellers are absolutely anal when it comes to detail and accuracy, me, not so much. I am more into aesthetically pleasing models. 90% perception, 10% accuracy.

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 15:58

Originally posted by mfd
I'll go & look for my photos & hopefully post them later.

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 16:01

Originally posted by mfd
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#14 MGB85ep

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 16:22

I thought about the NART Ferrari but couldn't find much on it.

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 16:28

Originally posted by MGB85ep
The issue is, I have a model of a 330P4 which I do not want to do in typical Ferrari Red. Seems the only person that raced a 330 other than red was David Piper. I am trying to track down anything that I can replicate with this kit. That also includes the 412's. I have committed myself to green so any suggestions would be welcomed.

For something different,but green-based, try to do it in the livery for Piper's 1968 Kyalami 9 hr car. From Sunset on Kyalami - I have not checked elsewhere yet- the car seems to carry a selection of logos, plus a screen sunshield. Among them are several white with red on them. Perhaps ZA based Hieronymous can help here, or anyone else.
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Posted 31 December 2008 - 16:30

Originally posted by mfd
Green one

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This I believe is a model of the 67 Kyalami car, finished 5th

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 16:34

Mike....That is the car I had in mind, the #7. The only reference I could find on the internet was of a repro with a BMW V12 power plant. Do you have any history on this car?

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 16:41

The '68 car was no3, and carries more logos, if that is what you are looking to do, and to have something different. Best of luck.
RL

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 16:42

Originally posted by MGB85ep
Mike....That is the car I had in mind, the #7. The only reference I could find on the internet was of a repro with a BMW V12 power plant. Do you have any history on this car?

This I believe is chassis 0854 (originally the Maranello car from 67 in red & Cambridge blue) Piper raced it in the green a couple of times in 67 (1000k de Paris #9) then in 1968 it started to get bulged rear wheel arches, extended nose etc.
Pretty certain it belongs today to a TNF contributor Jim Glickenhaus - but it is red

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#20 mfd

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 16:46

Originally posted by bradbury west
The '68 car was no3, and carries more logos, if that is what you are looking to do, and to have something different. Best of luck.
RL

The 68 Kyalami car, was this the one that got the screen & nose smashed to pieces in the race?
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Posted 31 December 2008 - 16:55

Originally posted by mfd

This I believe is chassis 0854 (originally the Maranello car from 67 in red & Cambridge blue) Piper raced it in the green a couple of times in 67 (1000k de Paris #9) then in 1968 it started to get bulged rear wheel arches, extended nose etc.
Pretty certain it belongs today to a TNF contributor Jim Glickenhaus - but it is red


Glickenhaus has two, a 412 and a 330 that is chassis 0846, a rather controversial car as 0846 was supposed to have been scrapped. When Glickenhaus bought the car it was considered a continuation, one of the 900 chassis, but it turned out that it may be 0846. Considering there were only 4 330P4's (and one of those was an upgraded P3) built and 4 412's, they seem to be shrouded in mystery and controvesy. Chassis 0856 is owned by a Canadian and is thought to be in it's original, as raced, condition.

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 16:58

Originally posted by mfd

The 68 Kyalami car, was this the one that got the screen & nose smashed to pieces in the race?
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Very nice model. Is it 1/43 diecast or a 1/24 kit?

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 17:15

Originally posted by MGB85ep
Very nice model. Is it 1/43 diecast or a 1/24 kit?

This one is a 1/43 handbuilt resin by MG Models of Italy. They now do it in 1:12 ! lots of pics here
http://www.mgmodelplus.eu/mgmp14.htm

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 17:27

Originally posted by mfd

This one is a 1/43 handbuilt resin by MG Models of Italy. They now do it in 1:12 ! lots of pics here
http://www.mgmodelplus.eu/mgmp14.htm


Oh thanks....now I am going to have to buy a 1:12. Beautiful.

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 17:46

Originally posted by MGB85ep
Oh thanks....now I am going to have to buy a 1:12. Beautiful.

They are all there in 1/43 too - go left hand side of main page 1/43 - at least a dozen variants :lol: plus the Can Am spiders... :rotfl:

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 22:57

Originally posted by mfd

This I believe is chassis 0854 (originally the Maranello car from 67 in red & Cambridge blue) Piper raced it in the green a couple of times in 67 (1000k de Paris #9) then in 1968 it started to get bulged rear wheel arches, extended nose etc.
Pretty certain it belongs today to a TNF contributor Jim Glickenhaus - but it is red



854 is neither a P3 or a P4. It is the only P3/4

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Posted 01 January 2009 - 01:57

Originally posted by dretceterini
854 is neither a P3 or a P4. It is the only P3/4

I'm sure you'll find 0846 is the P3/4, whereas 0854 was a 412P

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Posted 01 January 2009 - 10:13

A picture I took at Castell'Arquato-Vernasca Historic Hillclmb some years ago...


http://gr.rossoalice...rari 330 P4.jpg

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Posted 01 January 2009 - 13:22

Originally posted by dretceterini
854 is neither a P3 or a P4. It is the only P3/4

Hi Stu
I think you've got your chassis nos. mixed up. The only P3/4 was 0846.
0854 is a 412P. Although we used to refer to them as P3/4 for many years it seems that we now refer to them as 412Ps to distinguish from the only real P3/4 (0846) - so called because it was built as a P3 and then updated to P4 spec by the factory.
Nathan

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Posted 26 March 2009 - 01:19

Hello all you might be able to help, i am working on a model of a 330 p4 and i want to do the p3 too.

you can view the work on my homepage in the car gallery.

I need photos (have alot already) plans anything that can help me get the detail i need for doing a CUTAWAY illustration of these super classics..

Been great reading the forum, real history lesson for me on the 330 prototypes. many thanks help please,

Matt :)

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Posted 26 March 2009 - 05:43

The Piper was indeed 0854, the car owned by James Glickenhaus, the car is currently be converted back to the coupe it was when Marranello raced the car, interestingly this car raced with a fiberglass body when David Piper raced it....the car caught fire at the East London round of the Springbok Series.

A truly beautiful car, the restoration taking place on this car is breathtaking.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 00:21

Jacques,

Where does the Team Gunston spyder fit into this?

Green car - is that the same car that Piper brought to ZA the last two years? If so I have some photos.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 02:54

Originally posted by matt3dlondon
Hello all you might be able to help, i am working on a model of a 330 p4 and i want to do the p3 too.

you can view the work on my homepage in the car gallery.

I need photos (have a lot already) plans anything that can help me get the detail i need for doing a CUTAWAY illustration of these super classics..

Been great reading the forum, real history lesson for me on the 330 prototypes. many thanks help please,

Matt :)

Hi Matt,

These were posted by 'P4Replica' on the 'cutaway drawing and its artists' thread:

http://img187.images...coisfrenwo7.jpg

http://img177.images...obettibwxh2.jpg

Also an excellent set of detail photos here

Mark :wave:

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 16:10

Thankyou so much mark, i cannot put into words how awsome it is to get these images for reference!! i would love to become a member of the P4Replica site as i will be building my own in a few years time! got a bmw 3.0cs to do first and a collection of bikes / TR6 to help a friend with.

Please could you get me onto P4Replica, take care and thank you again!

Matt :)

TO THE REST OF YOU IN INTERNET LAND: IF you reading this and you have any images of Ferrari P4 or 412 please let me know..

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 16:35

Matt - P4Replica's user profile is http://forums.autosp...fo&userid=14339

If you send him an email or pm I'm sure he'll get you registered with his site - it's currently by invitation only (probably for security reasons, to stop spammers).

Good luck with building your replica when the time comes. Some TNFers might not approve, but that's just jealousy!  ;)

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 17:28

Originally posted by Paul Parker The Ferrari was in fact a 365P2 chassis 0836 ....

Indeed it was.;)

There's a nice little photo of it, with DP stood beside, looking on, in the pits, at the 1967 Daytona 24 Hours, here:

http://www.sportscar...m/archives/2978 (courtesey Sports Car Digest). :)

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 17:34

Originally posted by matt3dlondon
I would love to become a member of the P4Replica site as i will be building my own in a few years time!

Please could you get me onto P4Replica, take care and thank you again!

Matt :)

So PM me your contact details, Matt - and I'll see what I can do.;)
From what I can remember, the last person we signed up to the P4Replica BB was none other than 'Pipes' himself. :smoking:

Originally posted by matt3dlondon
TO THE REST OF YOU IN INTERNET LAND:
If you reading this and you have any images of Ferrari P4 or 412 please let me know..

There's a few here, that I've 'harvested' on Flickr: http://www.flickr.co...errari_p4/pool/ .... Enjoy !

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 17:43

Originally posted by mfd

The 68 Kyalami car, was this the one that got the screen & nose smashed to pieces in the race?

That's the '68 Kyalami version of #0854 (or a model of it, with race #3 in the photo) ....
But it was the previous Kyalami 9 Hours (1967 - carrying race #7) when Dickie Attwood had the unfortunate pitlane accident, which I presume you were referring to, in your post as: 'screen & nose smashed to pieces'.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 17:49

Originally posted by zahistorics
Jacques,

Where does the Team Gunston spyder fit into this?

That's 350 Can-Am spyder #0858 - now owned (and has been, for 30-odd plus years) by Walter Medlin.

See: http://www.barchetta.../0858.330P4.htm

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#40 matt3dlondon

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 22:00

hello all so you can see what i am doing here is my work so far on this car

view the ferrari 330 p4 here

i really need close ups of the brakes, engine, cockpit... as big as possible and i already have the pebble beach images,

could really do with seeing a real one some where but i asked alot of ferrari owning friends and no body knows anyone who has a 330,

Please help if you have any technical specs measurements or other technical info... would love some engine specs

Thanks matt :)

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 00:35

who drove this one back in the day?

http://public.fotki....ferrari_330_p4/

Matt:)

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Posted 30 March 2009 - 06:24

Originally posted by zahistorics
Jacques,

Where does the Team Gunston spyder fit into this?

Green car - is that the same car that Piper brought to ZA the last two years? If so I have some photos.


0858, was coverted to Can Am spec, raced in SA by Paul Hawkins, must be honest I think it looked awful in Guston livery....

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 15:59

Originally posted by matt3dlondon
who drove this one back in the day?

http://public.fotki....ferrari_330_p4/

Matt:)


0846, driven by Bandini, Amon and Vaccarella in 1967. Built as a Spyder, rebuilt recently as a Berlinetta, now back in 'Spyder' form.

Le Mans 1967, copyright unknown - from 'Ferraris at Le Mans' by Dominique Pascal

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 16:37

Originally posted by Macca
copyright unknown - from 'Ferraris at Le Mans' by Dominique Pascal

The front of a book usually tells you who owns the copyright, Paul
In this case it says nothing may be reproduced from the book without the permission of the Haynes Publishing Group :)

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 17:19

Originally posted by matt3dlondon
who drove this one back in the day?

http://public.fotki....ferrari_330_p4/

Matt:)

I was going to send you this PDF in an email, Matt - I remembered someone posting a link to it in another thread - turned out it was the '1969 Porsche 917' thread - turned out it was posted by Paul (Macca)! :)

http://www.glickenha...jim/project.pdf

Not sure if it will help with your project, but it's quite a story.

Another P4 cutaway just posted by macoran on the 'Cutaway drawings...' thread:

http://forums.autosp...977#post3547977

#46 Macca

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 18:08

Originally posted by David McKinney

The front of a book usually tells you who owns the copyright, Paul
In this case it says nothing may be reproduced from the book without the permission of the Haynes Publishing Group :)


I looked through the whole list of photo credits in the back for the owner of the image on p132..........and it's not mentioned! So credit where due, and this small image is reproduced solely for research and may not be reproduced.

:wave:

Paul M

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 19:04

Guys i am gob smacked! this pdf file is just amazing! all of the close ups i need and tech info... amazing.

Thanks sooo much!!!

this should keep me busy for a while!

#48 Spitfire

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 23:44

Quite a few reference shots of Piper's Ferrari here:

http://www.flickr.co...piper's ferrari

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 00:03

nice one thankyou!

i havent got these yet!

What i really need is measurements of the chassis.. size and diameter of the frame/ frame parts, would really love a copy of the original plans, or access to a P3 / P4

I really appreciate everyone's help! you have all been so nice..

Matt :)

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 09:09

Can anybody help me with an email-adress of David Piper, please? I´ve got some questions about his races at the Norisring 1968.
Thank you very much!

Jürgen