42 replies to this topic

[RJE]

I have been asked if anybody knows if Mike Hawthorn ever ran in the Monte Carlo Rally during the nineteen fifties. It would appear that he is thought to have run a Sunbeam Talbot 90 but we can find no record of an entry.

[D-Type]

He certainly competed in the Alpine Rally in a Sunbeam-Talbot, which could be the source of the confusion.

Moss certainly did the Monte for Sunbeam-Talbot, but if I remember something I read, he helped recruit Hawthorn and Collins for the Alpine.

[Carles Bosch]

The only rallying appearance I've found of Hawthorn, was -as Duncan suggested- the '52 Coupe des Alpes where he and his co-driver W.R. 'Chippy' Chipperton managed to finish 9th o/a and 2nd in 3000cc class to the sister Talbot-Sunbeam 90 shared by George Murray-Frame & John R. Pearman.


Carles.

[RS2000]

As far as I know that's the only rally he did. I had half expected to find some reference in the new book to his having taken part in the odd local UK event in the very early days but I guess he got more than enough such experience driving home from local pubs late at night...
There was a bit of a myth at one time that he was in the 1953 or 1954 6 car Alpine team ie. the Alpines, not Talbot 90s, on the French Alpine Rally (the name Coupe des Alpes for the event itself came later?) but myth it is - Moss and Collins were in the team.

[D-Type]

Now I'm home with my references to hand:

1953 Alpine Rally team of Sunbeam Alpines

MKV 21 Stirling Moss / John Cutts
MKV 22 George Murray-Frame / John Pearman
MKV 23 Peter Collins / Ronnie Adams
MKV 24 John Fitch / Peter Miller
MKV 25 Sheila van Damm / Ann Hall
MKV 26 Leslie Johnson / David Humphrey

1954 team

MKV 21 Stirling Moss / John Cutts
MKV 22 George Murray-Frame / John Pearman
MKV 23 Peter Collins / Lewis Garrad
MKV 24 George Hartwell / Bill Deane
MKV 25 Sheila van Damm / Ann Hall
MKV 26 Peter Harper / Peter Miller

But no Mike Hawthorn

In My Cars, My Career Stirling Moss says that he competed in the Monte in 1951 and 1952 in a Sunbeam Talbot 90 and goes on to say: "In July 1952 I joined a strong Sunbeam-Talbot team in my first Alpine Rally, sharing the car with John Cutts. Mike Hawthorn joined us - after I had told him what a terrific way this was of earning fifty quid- and he was navigated by John Pearman." He confirms that Mike won a Coupe des Alpes while finishing 9th.

OT question: Was this the only event where Moss and Hawthorn were team mates?

Edited by D-Type, 29 July 2016 - 22:40.

[RS2000]

I once took part in a night road rally in "Hawthorn country". It was the second rally I entered, on the second weekend after leaving school (with the first on the first weekend...). Although the regulations appeared to be for a conventional night rally it turned out to be a "hunt the marshal" event. "Controls" were only to be found after solving complicated instructions designed by scientists from RAE Farnborough that included route finding using theoretical bearings to and from an "hypotenuse helicopter". One control was hidden in a tent in undergrowth by Frensham Great Pond - as we now learn, the location of the start of many a JMH road race home after several pints of light and mild - and one was deep in the Devil's Punch Bowl. I didn't repeat the exercise... but it shows conventional road rallies were already largely a distant memory in that part of the world even then.
Probably because of complaints of Jaguars with near open exhausts being thrashed around those roads many years earlier in the late 50s...

[Doug Nye]

Aaaaahhhhh - such goin's on still 'appen in these 'ere paaarrrttts...

DCN

[Allan Lupton]

Hants and Berks MC night trials were certainly something modern folk wouldn't credit. What's more there were quite a few other clubs organising such "hunt the marshal" "rallies" to the point that at one stage you only got an entry for the H&B "Experts'" if you'd got awards in these events.
Been there, done that, got the gumboots!

I recall running a control on Frensham Ponds where the crew was issued with a (rather leaky) boat and a map reference where (if they could locate it) there was a floating ceiling tile with a code word to be read and recorded. All in the dark of course. I think JMH had a better idea when he went to the pub. . . .

[D-Type]

Originally posted by Doug Nye
Aaaaahhhhh - such goin's on still 'appen in these 'ere paaarrrttts...

DCN

What 'appenings?

Ageing (being charitable and not saying 'aged') lunatics charging around the countryside in Ecurie Ecosse blue Jaguars with near-open exhausts?
or
Young lads (and lasses) getting lost in secluded spots in Surrey on the pretext that they 'are on a motor rally'?

[RS2000]

Getting a bit OT, but day was when every self-respecting local stage rally visited Bricksbury gravel pit, a stone's throw (well...and a bit...) north of TT Garrage, Farnham. Events like the "Dimanche Tour".

Jeff Churchill, all the way from South Wales, around 1968



1982 (no idea who - Stan Dukes??)

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[Doug Nye]

Just so's you all know, there is to be a fairly sizeable Mike Hawthorn Commemoration in his home town of Farnham, Surrey, on January 25 - as follows (just communicated from the organisers).

MIKE HAWTHORN
Britain’s First World Motoring Racing Champion

A group of enthusiastic fans have decided to commemorate
the 50th anniversary of his tragic accident in January 1959.

We have arranged a Memorial Service in St Andrew's Parish Church,
Farnham, at 1.30pm Sunday 25th January 2009


This will be followed by a commemorative parade of Mike Hawthorn
related motor cars around Farnham Town Centre, commencing at 2.30pm

The Parade will then proceed along West Street to the cemetery for a private
wreath laying and blessing by the Rev. Andrew Tuck at the graveside.
Participants and Guests are invited to parade back through the town to
Swain & Jones in East Street...

Mike Hawthorn Memorial Service
Sunday 25th January 2009

· 12.30pm. Parade cars gather at Wagon Yard Car Park, Farnham in special area which will be taped off and have private security during Church service.
· 1.30pm. Memorial Service at St Andrew’s Parish Church.
· 2.20pm. Leave church and return to cars, ready to start parade.
· 2.35pm. Parade starts, leaving Wagon Yard, into Downing Street, right into The Borough, right at lights into South Street, then right into Union Street, and back into Downing Street, the parade will continue until 3.05pm ( hopefully 2/3 laps of the one way system) This will be decided by the lead Police Car on the day
· 3.05pm. Parade will turn left at the top of Downing Street, along West Street to the Cemetery. Each car in the parade will be allocated a Parking point at the Cemetery.
· 3.15pm. Wreath laying and Blessing at the grave side. 3.45pm Return to parade cars, and again with Police Escort, parade back through the town via West Street, The Borough, Bear Lane, Woolmead Road into East Street to Swain & Jones.

· The Cemeteries department of Farnham Town Council have granted permission for the wreath Laying and Blessing on the understanding that the numbers of people at the Cemetery is limited and that the people remain on the pathways.
For this reason we will not be advertising the wreath laying.

Please Note. No cars are allowed into the cemetery

DCN

[frogeye59]

Doug,

I'm intending to come down from the West Midlands for this, meeting a couple of pals from Essex, can you recommend anywhere nice (and likely to be open) in or around Farnham, we could meet up for a "full english" prior to the event. ???

Do you have a snifter of the cars and personalities, aside from your good-self of course, that might be attending.

Cheers

David

[flat-16]

Hi,

Please give a glance to this thread: http://forums.autosp...howtopic=121003

Were Jags a common site on rallies in the late '50s?

Justin

[RS2000]

Were Jags a common site on rallies in the late '50s?

Yes - or "not uncommon" is perhaps better. Smaller cars were prefered on UK navigational events on narrow, twisty roads (which included the RAC Rally before 60/61) but 3.4s etc were reasonably common on continental events like Monte Carlo, Tulip etc.

[David McKinney]

...and especially the Tour de France

[Rupertlt1]

I've patched this together for Sunbeam-Talbot entries in the 1952 Alpine Rally:

 

#204 Mrs Nancy Mitchell, DNF

#302 OPA 6, Convertible, Frazer (Fraser)? - the car of George Hartwell, Alan Fraser, Jack Fairman?

I can't see a three-man crew here: https://revslib.stan...log/fb452ww5981

#304 LLJ 900

#306

#316 LHP 823 Stirling Moss/John Cutts

#318 KUE 90 George Murray-Frame/John Pearman

#320

#322 KKV 900 John Fitch/Jack Kemsley

#324 KWK 397 Count W. Kolaczowski

#326 KNX 955 Hawthorn/Chipperton

#342 FVY 530?

 

Any updates much appreciated.

 

RGDS RLT 

Edited by Rupertlt1, 30 January 2016 - 13:03.

[RS2000]

Apparently he was down to do the Safari in 1959 for Rootes (In a Hillman Husky!).

A relatively unknown named Paddy Hopkirk was recruited to take his place (still in the Hillman Husky team....). That Norman Garrad approached Hopkirk in the bar at the end of the 59 Monte indicates rather insensitively quick timing on his part...

[Rupertlt1]

Alpine Rally 1952

2,000 miles, Automobile Club de Marseilles et Provence

incl Stelvio, Gross-Glockner, Petit St. Bernard, Iseran, Galibier, Izoard.

 

23:00 Friday July 11th. Depart Marseilles, Guillestri. Col d'Izoard. Control at Montgenevre. Turin. Monza (s.s. kilometre). Short break then Bergamo, Ponte di Legno, Bolzano, Falzarego, Cortina d'Ampezzo.

Sunday: Dolomites

Monday: Cortina to Mennagio, Lake Como, including the Croce Pass, The Brenner Pass, The Gross Glockner, Monte Giovo, the Stelvio, Berniva, Julien, Spluger Passes.

Tuesday: Dep Menaggio, Petit St. Bernard, Col du Frene. Aix-les-Bains.

Wednesday: Seven mountain passes. Castellane, Cannes finish.

 

RGDS RLT

Edited by Rupertlt1, 30 January 2016 - 13:25.

[Seedy]

Despite watching this forum daily for years I have just registered in the last few days and so this is my first post on this forum. I dont normally do forums and this is only the second one I am registered on. But when something comes up you can answer the time came to log in.

 

I have looked after the rally history for the Sunbeam Talbot Alpine Register for many years. . When I started I knew a few results but really had no idea where it would take me or what I would learn. The database has many International & National rallies that Talbot 10s, Sunbeam 80s, 90s, Alpine and Hartwell Specials took part in from 1936 - 1957.

 

The database has a staggering 1200 entries on 37 pages.

 

When Graham Robson put togetjher his book Rootes Maestros and when Anders Ditlev Clausager his book Sunbeam Talbot & Alpine in Details they both used and printed information from this database.

 

So to answer these questions about Mike Hawthorn - he did enter the 1952 Alpine Ralli in a Sunbeam Talbot Mk2A, reg KNX 555 finishing 9th overall, with Chips Chipperton on the maps. Two other Sunbeams finished 8th and 10th. They all took a Coupe des Alpes and also the Team Award, for the only team of three cars to finish.

 

Mike Hawthorn was going to do the 1953 Monte Carlo Rally but as he had just signed for Ferrari GP team he got the call to do some winter testing in South America so he never entered the Monte Carlo Rally.

 

If I can work out how to post direct from a Word document I can put up some photos links later.

 

Hope this helps

 

Chris

[Rupertlt1]

Well done for joining us. Does your database have details of the other Sunbeam-Talbot entries in 1952, as identified in post #16?

(Do you also know anything of a Paul Lee, Sunbeam Talbot, thought to be car #37 on the Alpine Rally in 1953?)

 

RGDS RLT

[RS2000]

See the "RAC Rally History" thread - where two posters have just shown me how to copy and paste here from documents.

 

Whilst I had a fair idea of just how many 90s and Rapiers were around in rallying at the time, the sheer numbers appearing in the photos of the RAC 53 onwards Rupertit1 has linked to is impressively high. 

[Seedy]

Ref this question about Mike Hawthorn and the 1952 Alpine rally.

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80 GWD 102 Mrs MITCHELL/KELLEHER 204 RET LADIES
Hart spec LEL 333 G HARTWELL/?? 300 RET
Mk2 D/H OPA 6 DH PERRING/MARSHALL 302
Mk2A LLJ 900 Dr SLATER/CRAMP 304 RET
Mk2A MEL 63 A FRASER/SCOTT 306 14
Mk2A LHP 823 S MOSS/J CUTTS 316 10 C des ALPES
Mk2 KUE 90 L JOHNSON/D HUMPHREY 318 RET
Mk2 LHP 821 G MURRAY-FRAME/J PEARMAN 320 8 C des ALPES
Mk2 KKV 780 J FITCH/P MILLER 322 RET
Mk2 KWK 397 Count W KOLACZKOWSKI/KOLACZKOWSKI 324 21
Mk2A KNX 955 M HAWTHORN/CHIPPERTON 326 9 C des ALPES
Mk2A MVM 797 HENSON/COLLINSON 336
Mk2A FVY 520 E ELLIOT/?? 342 RET
Mk2A N GARRAD/?? not on entry list
MK2 D/H ETH 816? CINEMA CAR PRESS



Ref P.Lee on the 1953 Alpine

He was in a Mk2A reg unknown comp no 515, 37 overall 10th in class, with R Dando on the maps
Hope this helps?

Chris

[Rupertlt1]

Chris, Great stuff!

By way of a reward here is Paul Lee on the 1953 Alpine Rally in MWK 16:

https://revslib.stan...log/sy486ty6352

 

I have quite a bit of background on Lee. Is he the same man who was a Rootes dealer at Gainsborough, Lincolnshire?

 

The car had been out on the Monte earlier in the year, #140, police crew of Skeggs, Teer:

 

https://revslib.stan...log/pp776ck0076

 

On the R.A.C. Rally in March 1953:

 

https://revslib.stan...log/gd481kd5736

 

https://revslib.stan...log/kj653jj7132

 

RGDS RLT

Edited by Rupertlt1, 30 January 2016 - 21:31.

[Seedy]

That was a good start, a registration number added to the data base thank you.

 

I recongised all but one of the photos

 

MWK 16 is a works registered ST M2A

 

On the 1953 Monte driven by JR Skeggs, AE Teer, & T Cranfield no 140 29th overall started in Glasgow

 

On 1953 RAC driven by Sheila van Damm & Francois Clarke no 87 23rd overall started from Hastings and took the ladies prize

 

Your man Paul Lee also entered the 1954 Lyon Charbonnieres in MWK 16 with ? Easton on the maps start no 130 (ref in Autosport 2/4/54)

 

Possibly(cant confirm the initial)  on the Scottish in 53, possibly the Brighton in 55, Morecombe in 52 and for definite on the Daily Express in 52

 

Chris

[Rupertlt1]

Thanks. Here is the Alpine Hawthorn car, #314 KNX 955 on the Daily Express Rally, 1952:

 

https://revslib.stan...log/fp514dv2810

 

Do you have any other competition numbers or reg numbers on Lee?

Confirmed on Coronation Scottish Rally, 1953.

 

RGDS RLT

 

Edited by Rupertlt1, 31 January 2016 - 00:03.

[plannerpower]

Seedy;

 

There is a fine photo in Works Team (Michael Frostick) of Hawthorn et al in front of their cars for the 1952 Rallye des Alpes; the number plate of the car that Hawthorn is leaning-on is KNX955, not KNX555 as you posted.

 

Leslie Johnson is in front of KUE90; the third car is LHP823.

Edited by plannerpower, 31 January 2016 - 03:30.

[Seedy]

A few replies here

 

Plannerpower - Correct the reg no is KNX 955 my one fingured typing caused that one. Database is correct and there is a photo of this car I put up earlier in this thread to confirm

 

Rupertlt1 - ref KNX 955 on the 1952 Daily Express that is George Murray-Frame & ? Rennie, no 314, they started from Glasgow

 

Ref Paul Lee I have nothing more for him on the 53 Scottish

 

But have these....

 

!952 D/Express PB Lee & ??, no 100 started, from Manchester

 

1955 Brighton P Lee & ?? in a Mk3 S/T reg no JNJ 808, no 47 - I have a photo of this car

 

1952 Morecambe P Lee & ?? in a Mk2 S/T, no 75, started from Manchester

 

1954 Lyon Carbonnieres P Lee & Easton Mk2A S/T reg, no MWK 16, no 130

 

 

I think if this gets further away from Mike Hawthorn we would need to start a new thread?

 

Chris

[Rupertlt1]

Happy to start a new thread if that is what folk want?

I think Paul Lee was inspired by the likes of Hawthorn and Moss. He was living in Canada, where he competed in a Sunbeam Talbot convertible in 1952, including racing at Edenvale, Ontario.

He may have been going back and forth across the Atlantic. There is much more to his story. Crashed a Jaguar on the Monte in 1955:

 

https://revslib.stan...tem/zh938mj2828

 

RGDS RLT

[Rupertlt1]

Waking up this thread, #502, MKV 22, but where?

 

https://www.stilltim.../abi/abi791.jpg

 

See also KUE 90:

 

https://www.stilltim.../abl/abl722.jpg

 

See also MXA 931:

 

https://www.stilltim.../aac/aac331.jpg

 

RGDS RLT

Edited by Rupertlt1, 30 December 2023 - 13:37.

[RS2000]

George Murray-Frame/John Pearson 1953 French Alpine Rally? Moss in MKV21 was No.501. In UK on way to the start - rain and stopped on left side of road?

 

Scottish Rally? Does the rally plate read "Royal Scottish Automobile Club"? Does not appear to be the RAC Rally.

 

A lesser Scottish event? Has the look of Scotland and of a private non works car. Despite initial assumption, it does not seem to be Sheila van Damm driving.

Edited by RS2000, 30 December 2023 - 15:26.

[Rupertlt1]

MKV 22 on the Alpine, 1953 (but #508):

 

https://library.revs...ne-rally/361926

 

KUE 90 (#305) on the Monte, 1951:

 

https://library.revs...lo-rally/310390

 

MXA 931 (#100) seen here on the Sestriere Rally, 1953:

 

https://library.revs...re-rally/339980

 

Three ladies in the crew?

 

RGDS RLT

Edited by Rupertlt1, 30 December 2023 - 17:48.

[Barry Boor]

A long time TNF member who is unable to post, has suggested that RS2000's final paragraph, in which he identifies the venue as being in Scotland, may well in fact, be the top of the Kirkstone Pass in the Lake District.

[Seedy]

Rupert

 

Hope this helps?

 

Sunbeam Talbot Photos

 

https://www.stilltim.../abi/abi791.jpg

 

MKV 22

1954 Alpine Rally (all 54 Alpines had spot lights)

#502

George Murray-Frame & John Pearman

12th overall 4th in class

 

 

https://www.stilltim.../abl/abl722.jpg

 

KUE 90

1953 Daily Express Rally

#53

Capt M Kozubski & M Cobham

Started from Plymouth

Result unknown

 

 

https://www.stilltim.../abl/abl722.jpg

 

MXA 931

1953 Sestriere Rally

#100

see later photo of same car with rally plate attached. Spot lights are set up the same

Drivers unknown

Result unknown

 

 

https://www.stilltim.../abl/abl722.jpg

 

MKV 22

1953 Alpine Rally (no spot lights in 1953)

#508

George Murray-Frame & John Pearman

18th overall 5th in class & an Alpine Cup

 

 

https://library.revs...lo-rally/310390

 

KUE 90

1951 Monte Carlo Rally

#302

Tommy Wisdom & David Humphrey

Started from Lisbon

Finished 27th overall

 

 

https://library.revs...re-rally/339980

 

MXA 931

1953 Sestriere Rally

#100

see  photo of same car above without rally plate attached. Spot lights are set up the same

Drivers unknown

Result unknown

[Rupertlt1]

A long time TNF member who is unable to post, has suggested that RS2000's final paragraph, in which he identifies the venue as being in Scotland, may well in fact, be the top of the Kirkstone Pass in the Lake District.

 

Well spotted. Kirkstone Pass Inn at left. The names Mary Walker/Joyce Dodds have come up?

 

Mary Walker was from Wooler, Northumberland. Lorna Snow?

 

Miss Walker/Mrs. F. V. J. Clarke, of Bitteswell Manor, near Rugby — 1952 R.A.C. Rally.

 

Miss Walker/Miss A. McF. Balfour — 1953 R.A.C. Rally.

 

RGDS RLT

Edited by Rupertlt1, 31 December 2023 - 09:57.

[Seedy]

Rupert

 

I have a pretty complete database of over 39 pages for all Sunbeam Talbots on National & International Rallies covering the period from the 1936 Talbot 10s, through the 80, 90s, Mk2, Mk2A, Mk3, Alpine and Dropheads up to 1959 the last Mk3 entry. All done for the Sunbeam Talbot Alpine Register car club.

 

I can give you entries/results/drivers/reg numbers/start point/awards etc..

 

1953 Daily Express Rally

 

According to the official programme for the 1953 Daily Express Rally, which I have in front of me now, car 53 is Capt M Kozubski & M Cobham, the car at the front of the queue.

 

Miss M Walker & Miss ML Dodds were entered at car # 436 Reg Number FCY 333 Sunbeam Talbot Mk2A

 

FYI the other cars in this photo

 

#56 Austin Atlantic - RL Freeman & H Fawcett

# 54 Austin Healey - AF Oakley & H Howe

# 57 Morris Minor - AE Westbrook & GK le Grays

 

Do you need any more evidence or other entry details for the 1953 Daily Express Rally,  I can do that.

 

Ref Miss M Walker and the two RAC Rally entries you mention.

 

1952 RAC

Miss M Walker & Miss Balfour

Sunbeam Talbot 80 or 90

Reg Number DJR 923

Started from Scarborough

Result ?? overall, 89th in class

 

1953 RAC Rally

 

Miss Walker & Miss Balfour

Sunbeam Talbot Mk2A

Reg Number FCY 333 (a car she used a lot)

Started from Blackpool

Result 43rd overall, ?? class, 2nd overall Ladies

 

 

Chris

[Rupertlt1]

Miss J.M.L. Slatter (Sunbeam-Talbot) — 1952 R.A.C. Rally?

 

There was a timed climb up Kirkstone Pass, near Kendal.

 

See: https://forums.autos...-2#entry7421717

 

Sestrieres Rally, A. C. Turin, 1953: Lorna Snow, Mme. Arlene Blundell, A.N. Other

 

Mrs. A. Tozzi-Condivi? Started from London.

 

She was Arline Tozzi-Condivi, "a West End furrier" with a shop at Mount Street, Westminster.

"Arline Tozzi-Condivi owner of Arline Blundell Furs Ltd"

Crashed on the 1953 Alpine with her daughter, Mrs. Arlette Ellison of Beckenham.

"Their Sunbeam Talbot-coupe collided with a lorry near Susa, Italy."

 

It is Lorna Snow at right in the in-car photograph?

Arline Tozzi-Condivi in the back seat?

Her daughter driving?

 

RGDS RLT

Edited by Rupertlt1, 01 January 2024 - 17:57.

[Seedy]

Rupert

 

1952 RAC Rally

#52

Miss JML Slatter & navigator unknown

Sunbeam Talbot but model unknown

Registration number unknown

Started from Hastings

Overall unknown, 101st class

 

1953 Alpine Rally

#527

Mrs A Tozzi_Condivi & Mrs A Ellison

Sunbeam Talbot Mk2 or Mk2A

Registration number unknown

Retired

 

I have added the names to the my Sestrieres Rally entry. This is not a photo I have seen before or an entry I know much about. So cannot confirm anymore details about the drivers.

 

Out of interest you have Arline Blundell Furs, Arlene Blundell and Arlette Ellison. Is this all the same person? 

 

Mrs A Tozzi-Condivi. I have tried many times to find out more about this person. Is she related to Mario Tozzi-Condivi who ran the UK side of Maserati for many years from the 1950s. Unusual name and seems possible.

 

Chris

[Derwent Motorsport]

Kirkstone Pass is near Penrith rather than Kendal.

[Rupertlt1]

Rupert

 

1952 RAC Rally

#52

Miss JML Slatter & navigator unknown

Sunbeam Talbot but model unknown

Registration number unknown

Started from Hastings

Overall unknown, 101st class

 

1953 Alpine Rally

#527

Mrs A Tozzi_Condivi & Mrs A Ellison

Sunbeam Talbot Mk2 or Mk2A

Registration number unknown

Retired

 

I have added the names to the my Sestrieres Rally entry. This is not a photo I have seen before or an entry I know much about. So cannot confirm anymore details about the drivers.

 

Out of interest you have Arline Blundell Furs, Arlene Blundell and Arlette Ellison. Is this all the same person? 

 

Mrs A Tozzi-Condivi. I have tried many times to find out more about this person. Is she related to Mario Tozzi-Condivi who ran the UK side of Maserati for many years from the 1950s. Unusual name and seems possible.

 

Chris

 

No, as stated Arlette Ellison is the daughter of Arline Tozzi-Condivi. I suspect they are both in 'our' picture with Lorna Snow.

There is a connection to the Maserati and De Tomaso man. Also Cooper and Moto Guzzi.

The only other British entry on the Sestrieres 1953, Albert Rogers, #98 Riley:

See: https://library.revs...re-rally/333325

Bert Rogers and Mario Tozzi-Condivi on the Monte, 1955, #86 Mercedes Benz 220, PGX 1:

https://library.revs...lo-rally/438149

https://library.revs...lo-rally/436742

https://library.revs...lo-rally/322743

(J. M. L. Slatter on the Monte in 1954 in MLJ 492.)

Were Arline and Mario an item?

 

RGDS RLT 

Edited by Rupertlt1, 02 January 2024 - 09:16.

[Seedy]

Rupert

 

1954 Monte Carlo Rally

#147

Miss JML Slatter & Miss Ashfield

Sunbeam Talbot Mk2A

Reg Number MLJ 492

Started from Glasgow

253rd overall, ?? class

 

Agree the two Tozzi- Condivis must be related!!

 

Chris

[Rupertlt1]

There is a photograph of Bert Rogers and Mario Tozzi-Condivi in Autosport, 24 December 1954, Page 844.

 

Tozzi-Condivi is standing at the rear of the Mercedes facing the camera here:

https://library.revs...lo-rally/438149

 

RGDS RLT

Edited by Rupertlt1, 04 January 2024 - 05:31.

[Rupertlt1]

Mrs. E. Tozzi-Condivi, Sunbeam Talbot, was listed as a reserve entry on the 1953 R.A.C. Rally.

Autocar, 15 March 1953, Page 352

 

I think MXA 391 is on the 1953 R.A.C. Rally as the distinctive high-backed furniture at the control matches with a picture in Autocar!

 

https://www.stilltim.../aac/aac331.jpg

 

Miss Slatter is pictured #78, MLJ 492

Autocar, 3 April 1953, Page 422

 

There was a control on Kirkstone Pass.

 

RGDS RLT

Edited by Rupertlt1, 14 January 2024 - 22:28.

[Lee Nicolle]

Aaaaahhhhh - such goin's on still 'appen in these 'ere paaarrrttts...

DCN

But these days they are burping farting turbo engined cars. Aaah for the days of quiet Jags.