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#151 RTH

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Posted 01 August 2009 - 06:23

Don't forget everybody the next film show is one week today

On Saturday 8th August 09

If you are coming and you have not already e-mailed me to let me know , then I would be grateful if you would just sent me a quick one line e-mail to let me know so that we can cater for the right number of people. Thanks.



We have got so many really interesting films it is so difficult to pick out the selection this time

As a taster we have club racing from the 1960s, history of the grand prix car from 1924 to 1939, a Texaco film I had never seen before of the 1976 British GP at Brands, big sportscars from 1965, British saloon car championship in 1968 and '69 some Autocross from the early '60s, newsreel of great motor racing events over 5 decades, a 1980 documentary, and of course it would not be a film show without some more spectacular Gerry Marshall footage .........I just don't know how to fit it all in !!

Very much look forward to seeing you all.

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#152 RTH

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Posted 01 August 2009 - 14:05

Hands up, who can bring an interesting/unusual/ old/exotic/historical/classic/vintage/competition/sports car of some kind with them on the day for a little display in the car park for people to walk around in the coffee/lunch and tea breaks ?

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Posted 01 August 2009 - 14:56



Sounds good to me, I am bound to know the answer to just one question. :blush:

glyn


OK Glyn, two teams of 25 it is then !!!

Reminds me of the time one of Nigel Mansell's helmets came up for auction at a reserve of £5000. Peter Warr, not NMs biggest fan, reputedly said 'all they need is 5000 Mansell fans to stump up a quid each and they might get it sold' ... unkind or what...



It seems we have a consensus that if people want to form teams that's ok and if anyone wants to go on a Hail Mary solo effort that's ok also. Looks like fun.

A ( virtual ) bonus point for the most interesting/amusing team name then.

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#154 Tony Matthews

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Posted 01 August 2009 - 15:07

A ( virtual ) bonus point for the most interesting/amusing team name then.

I used to 'chair' a pub quize team that I called 'Buggered if I know...', which more or less sums up my personal expectations for the 8th. Ho hum...

#155 RTH

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Posted 01 August 2009 - 15:10

I felt like that Tony at the last one and I had the questions a week in advance !!

#156 Tony Matthews

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Posted 01 August 2009 - 15:12

Richard - no chance, I suppose - you know, just a peek..

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Posted 01 August 2009 - 15:12

It seems we have a consensus that if people want to form teams that's ok and if anyone wants to go on a Hail Mary solo effort that's ok also. Looks like fun.

A ( virtual ) bonus point for the most interesting/amusing team name then.

:cool:


..........That will go with the 'virtual' prize then !!


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Posted 01 August 2009 - 15:14

Richard - no chance, I suppose - you know, just a peek..


I don't have them this time Tony...........they are locked up in an RBS vault !

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Posted 01 August 2009 - 15:18

I don't have then this time Tony...........they are locked up in an RBS vault !


It will be the most valuable thing item in it! Apart from said bankers bonus payments :rolleyes:

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#160 Tony Matthews

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Posted 01 August 2009 - 19:12

It will be the most valuable thing item in it!

Are you thinking what I'm thinking, Sterling? We've got time - just - to dig a tunnel, or we could just blow the bloody doors off!

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Posted 01 August 2009 - 20:30

Or a mobile with internet capability!

#162 sterling49

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Posted 01 August 2009 - 21:47

Are you thinking what I'm thinking, Sterling? We've got time - just - to dig a tunnel, or we could just blow the bloody doors off!


laughs, then sings "this is the self preservation, society"........ :rotfl: :wave:

#163 RTH

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Posted 02 August 2009 - 07:35

.................. " 'ang on a minute lads I've got a great idea ! "


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Great film and great theme music.

Has Michael Caine ever done anything better ?


I didn't actually know Quincy Jones was involved


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#164 sterling49

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Posted 02 August 2009 - 07:50

......"not many people knew that"...I certainly didn't!!!

#165 RTH

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Posted 02 August 2009 - 09:17

Pleased to welcome 3 new chaps to our ranks who are historic rally competitors . Mike Spindle,David Schon & Clive Godsell sent me a fascinating account of their experiences on the 2007 Viking Marathon in Norway in a Healey 3000

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Posted 02 August 2009 - 10:23

Surely three-up in an Austin Healey would be a bit of a scrum. Where does the third person sit. Even if it's a 2 + 2 therear seats are really only suitable for children or legless dwarves. Or does it have a sideways rear seat like the 190SL?

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Posted 02 August 2009 - 11:17

Intrepid though clearly they were my understanding is that even they could only get 2 in the car. Next Saturday no doubt they will be happy to relate the whole story.

Meanwhile here is an extract from the text :-


Even before we got to the actual start of the 2007 Classic Rally Association’s ‘Viking Marathon’, Norway, a lot seemed to have been going on.....

The 285mile trek north to Newcastle, via the mandatory M1 roadwork’s, contributed to an epic six and a half hour journey. Sadly, much of it spent stationary, cockpit at gas mark 6 and water temperature debating whether it was going to finally beat the radiator cap.

The immediate surroundings comprise a distinctly well travelled, Healey 3000. Standard Bearer for the once mighty, Armies of Abingdon, veteran of events, 20 plus Stage and over 40 Road.
It carries the usual mods, not a single one of them, beneficial to the environment.

It’s personality, not unlike a Fox Terrier we once had. Loud of bark, strong of limb, relentless in pursuit and prone to snapping back.

Not withstanding, we arrived at the pre-start hotel, crisis free, save for a weeping shock absorber refill cover and in advance of, exploiter of the Standard Triumph, guest navigator and International man of mystery, Andy Belcher.
A relaxed evening ensued, with scant attention paid to the non shock absorber. Instead, we enjoyed a convivial dinner with HRCR Beds, Bucks and Oxon organisers, Valerie and Graham Gilmore.
In the days to come however, the roads of Norway, would soon extract payment, for ignoring that shock absorber.

In the morning, as we approached the car, a familiar pool of amber liquid lay beneath. No casue for alarm. The old dog had simply marked its territory.

Scruitineering was a cheery formality in the North Eastern sunshine and we joined the 60 plus cars queuing for the ‘Queen of Scandinavia’, our escort for the North Sea leg, to Stavanger. The mood was relaxed and optimistic, except for a, decidedly scarlet, Colin Weekley esquire, who had bought MPH speed tables. Still, his assertion that there must be one crew who had both arrived with KM speed tables, proved insightful and the usual sea of tranquility descended over the Amazons, Scandinavian cockpit.



Waiting in line for the Queen

Many covetable old motors on this event, but one other thing was a shade worrying; 60% of the competitors were on shiny new Vredenstein Snow Trac tyres. Everyone who looked, seemed surprised we were only running Avon ZZ’s – when all the weather reports has shown snow on the route. Hmmm…
As we set off from a dusky Newcastle, three hours late, Belcher was locked below decks, as punishment for not plotting the route earlier. Andy runs a tight schedule, but this was pretty close. Never the less, around 6 hours later he emerged, with the route all but complete and we joined up with the Weekley’s, Gilmore’s, Secker’s and the Powell’s for and excellent seafood dominated feast in the Queen’s, Seven Seas restaurant.
In the morning it transpired that the old Queen was running on one, not four engines and would not be making up any time. As we approach the Norwegian coast the sea turns a little rougher and the heavens start to crack. Thor, is rubbing his hands.
Unperturbed and full of optimism, we arrive in Stavanger. Running to a revised schedule, we make our way, in the rain, to the rally start at the TS Vintage Tractor Museum. Rain equals no snow, so we were already, we’re on the up.
The Tractor Museum and their workshops were already proving to be an inspired choice, by the organizers, the Classic Rally Association. Competitor Alan Rogers, in his yellow 911 has run the bearings of his dynamo. However, there’s bloke here in the museum, who has restored a Porsche Tractor, who knows a bloke down the road, who has a bearing shop, who…

Time out for those of you that do not understand what Road Rallying is - please scroll down to Satuday, Leg 1 if you do.

You might think, quite justifiably, how come somebody who hasn’t won anything outright, feels he can advise on this often demanding discipline. Well I can’t I suppose, but by being a beginner for so long, maybe I can explain in a way you might relate to.
For many years, I found it very difficult to understand what we were supposed to be doing, when we were supposed to be doing it and how we going to do it.


So here’s The Rough Guide to Road Rallying.

There are two types of competitive car rallies. One is a Stage Rally where the event is comprised of several stages on closed roads, against the clock. The fastest crew wins and such an event is the WRC.
The other is a Road Rally, where the competition is about arriving at controls on time, mostly on public roads. Additionally, there will be a few special tests, in which the fastest car usually suffers the least penalty.
This event is a Road Rally and as such, can be an accessible form of motor sport for many people. If you do everything right, you won’t need a fast car. However, if you make a mistake and have to turn around for example, a car with a performance edge will make it easier to get back on track. Well that’s the official response anyhow!
A Road Rally event schedule is broken up into Legs or days. Day one is Leg 1 and so on.
The vital route, will either be by diagrams (arrows and distances called Tulips) or by a map upon which, the route has been marked.
For this event Andy had to plot the route from series of instructions. After plotting, there were a few (deliberate) gaps.
Later, when we reach these gaps, we will get further printed instructions. When we reach the end of these instructions, we will be back on the marked route.
During a typical Leg there will be Main Time controls (MTC), Time controls (TC), Transit sections, Regularity Starts (RS), Jogularities and Special tests (ST).
It is all about, being at these places exactly on time when necessary and knowing when you can be a little late or early. If you are late when you should not be, you will be time penalised. It is these time penalties, upon which. the rally results are based.

Get everywhere on time, go the right way, be fastest on the tests and you will win the rally.

Controls are manned by volunteers called marshals, who stamp or chip your rally card, to show you have been there and at what time.
Everybody has to arrive at the controls at a different times to avoid chaos, so the running schedule always shows the time for car zero. You have to work out your own time schedule, by adding on your car number to those of car zero.
The first thing to do is to set your stopwatch to the exact time of day, exactly in line with the organisers clock. You will see all the crews doing this at the start, as we are all trying to get this right to the second.

Main Time Controls. (MTC)
These are the ones everybody should get right. There is normally a MTC when you start the day, one when you come into lunch. There will also be one when you leave lunch and when you get to the end of the day. So for a typical leg there would be MTC’s 1,2,3 & 4.
If car zero leaves MTC 1 at 9.00 am and we are car 23, we know we must get our card stamped at 9.23 precisely, then get on our way. It is the competitor’s responsibility to get this right if you forget and get it stamped at 9.25 you will get an irrevocable 2-minute penalty that you needn’t have got. So you are already 2 minutes behind everyone else and you haven’t left the car park yet!
One further point: By adding 23 to all the MTC car zero times, we know when we must be at all 4 MTC’s. Generally, we must not miss any MTC’s and never be more that 30 minutes late. That means if you get lost, break down and lose time, you might have to cut some of the route, just to make the MTC on time. Competitors need to read the event regulations, so they know which items to bypass, with the least penalty.
Sometimes you can be early or late penalty-free at the final MTC’s, but the regulations will state this.


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Posted 03 August 2009 - 00:32

Surely three-up in an Austin Healey would be a bit of a scrum. Where does the third person sit. Even if it's a 2 + 2 therear seats are really only suitable for children or legless dwarves. Or does it have a sideways rear seat like the 190SL?


Easy--in the late sixties friends and I went Christmas tree hunting in a Healey 3000 BJ8. Since it was my idea, I ended up in the back with the Christmas tree!!


I hope this film show you will be able to see "The Sound of Speed". A real 'Murrican car on a real Murrican circuit..... :clap:

#169 RTH

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Posted 03 August 2009 - 06:40

Yes indeed David and thanks for you help with that.

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Posted 03 August 2009 - 07:18

We still have some places available for next Saturday's show
So if you have any friends or relatives who would like to come , please let me have the details.

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Posted 03 August 2009 - 15:57

Just had a note in from Hugh Chamberlain, he of a run of at least 26 continuous entries at Le Mans as team boss, and all round nice bloke, I can also remember him as a front runner in class A Mallock ? Clubmans cars in the 70s with demon 1700 steel cross flows built by his own engineering company in Buntingford.

"Richard, thanks so much for thinking of me. I would love to have come if not for work.
I have to be at Castle Combe with one of our Aston Martin’s.
If I had known earlier I might have been able to escape but not now.

Please give everyone my apologies for non attendance

Please also tell Chris Craft that I am now aware that he intended coming within a couple of miles of my home without telling me. This will cost him beer !

Best regards,

Hugh Chamberlain."


Anyway we will do our best to get him along to the next one in January.


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Posted 05 August 2009 - 07:22

Just heard that former Grand Prix driver John Campbell - Jones will be joining us in the audience on Saturday and there is a very strong rumour that a certain globe trotting Grand Prix reporter from your favourite weekly Mr Simon Arron will be with us thanks to the 4 week shut down in the F1 season. We are also expecting some chaps from McLaren and a few entirely new faces so far unaware of the joys of TNF !

Don't forget just 3 days to go. Persuade your friends to join us, but do drop me a line.
I understand the quiz questions ,now complete, are to be moved by armoured car later today !

#173 Tony Matthews

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 07:42

I understand the quiz questions ,now complete, are to be moved by armoured car later today !

Er, any idea of the route, Richard?

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 07:59

Er, any idea of the route, Richard?


If the armoured vehicle's route takes it anwhere near Turin there could be a risk of this thread going round in circles for ever.

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 08:10

If there are any TNF members from North Kent or South London who are willing to put up with my driving I have space in my car for two for the trip, send me a PM for more details but our trip will start from the salubrious surroundings of the Sainsburys car park in Northfleet.

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 08:19

On a similar note to Glyn, if anyone lives near or will be travelling on the A14 through Northamptonshire, we can offer two empty seats in our car, or fill two empty seats in someone else's.

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 09:11

Er, any idea of the route, Richard?


The convoy will leave 'Force Towers' in Surrey on the stroke of midnight as you can see we will be using Group FIA Security

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 09:58

The convoy will leave 'Force Towers' in Surrey on the stroke of midnight as you can see we will be using Group FIA Security


I think Sterling and I can handle them! What do you think Sterling? Sterling...? Oh well, plan'B'...

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 10:24

QUOTE (RTH @ Aug 5 2009, 10:11)
The convoy will leave 'Force Towers' in Surrey on the stroke of midnight as you can see we will be using Group FIA Security


I think Sterling and I can handle them! What do you think Sterling? Sterling...? Oh well, plan'B'...


Tony, I think Sterling is waiting for me at Sainsburys so that we can prepare for the attack on the convoy just after midnight. :lol:

(Oops, I shouldn't have said that should I. :blush: )

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#180 Tony Matthews

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 10:38

Tony, I think Sterling is waiting for me at Sainsburys so that we can prepare for the attack on the convoy just after midnight. :lol:

(Oops, I shouldn't have said that should I. :blush: )

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This is the problem when too many people are involved - loose talk. Plus it would be a three-way split on the answers, rather than two. I thought I could trust Sterling...

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 11:04

This is the problem when too many people are involved - loose talk. Plus it would be a three-way split on the answers, rather than two. I thought I could trust Sterling...


I will need all the help I can get, believe me. :p

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#182 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 17:13

My good friend Jeremy 'Jez' Clark is coming to the film show again.
Multiple Formula Vee champion and reigning Porsche Club Champion.
Jez is still on cloud 9...his prize for winning the club series was a drive in the Porsche Carrera Cup GB, supporting the BTCC at Snetterton last week. Only 90mins testing, first time driving with a sequential gearbox, no silly mistakes and two top 10 finishes. Despite running in one of the lower classes, he avoided being lapped by the likes of the greatly experienced Tim Harvey etc in the far more powerful 'top' class cars. Great effort first time out...now he needs sponsors for an all out attack next year!

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 18:12

This is the problem when too many people are involved - loose talk. Plus it would be a three-way split on the answers, rather than two. I thought I could trust Sterling...



Sorry Tony, very busy day mate, but I have a plan........................ :rotfl:

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 18:14

I think Sterling and I can handle them! What do you think Sterling? Sterling...? Oh well, plan'B'...



David would surely be going through the tunnel..................... :cat:

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 22:29

Just heard that former Grand Prix driver John Campbell - Jones will be joining us in the audience on Saturday

Always good news. He is such good company. He seems to have known just about everyone in period and has such good recall.
Roger Lund

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Posted 07 August 2009 - 05:49

Don't forget the second TNF 'History of Motor racing' Show is tomorrow

Saturday 8th August doors open 9.30 for coffee ready for a prompt start at 10.00am

We very much look forward to seeing you all and hope you will have a most enjoyable day

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#187 RTH

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Posted 07 August 2009 - 07:25

During the day those of you coming tomorrow might like to think up some questions to put to our guest speakers

Chris Craft ......with a long and distinguished career as a racing driver nationally and internationally over a period of 40 years in almost every form of racing you can imagine including in Grand Prix at Le Mans and top level saloon , GT and sportscars.Still involved with production of sportscars today.

Norman Greenway....with a very long career as a circuit commentator, broadcaster and writer, heard on PA systems all over the country especially at Brands Hatch, Silverstone and at the Norfolk circuit where he became known as the voice of Snetterton, in the area where he now lives.

Norman knows literally everyone in the sport and has a fantastic recall of anecdotes seemingly about all of them down the years. Truly fascinating you can ask him anything about anyone ! Should be most entertaining , so get your questions ready for both of them. We are indeed lucky they have both agreed to come and talk to us.

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#188 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 07 August 2009 - 09:01

Hi all

Sadly, I have to report that Norman Greenway will now be unable to come.
He had a bad night, has a sky high temperature and fever and his wife just called me.

The Doctor wanted to hospitalise him, but Norm said 'no' and insisted he was coming to see us tomorrow, but the Doctor said 'no way'. He is bed bound at home and bitterly disappointed.

I have called Chris Craft, he still wants to come but is not keen on giving us a talk for a whole hour himself as he is not prepared or used to it, but he will give it a go and says he will be fine if we can all fire questions at him. So please, look through your magazines and books, have plenty of questions to hand for him.

We do all of course wish Norman a speedy recovery and will make sure he comes to the January show.


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Posted 07 August 2009 - 10:59

Really sorry to hear that Norman is unwell just at the wrong moment because I know he was really looking forward to coming , being involved and doing the interview.
Get well soon Norman with all our best wishes.
As you may know we are blessed to have long time motor racing journalist and current Grand Prix (plus a lot of other events ) reporter Simon Arron coming tomorrow Andrew has just spoken to him and "International Rescue " style he has volunteered to take Norman's place and do the interview with Chris Craft.
Our grateful thanks for that Simon.
So despite the rain from last night, Saturday I hear is likely to be fine here so look forward to seeing you all as planned

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Posted 07 August 2009 - 11:26

Note from David Beard:-

Richard

Sorry I can't make it, I will be in Devon.

I have great memories of Chris Craft racing against Doc Merfield in the
"Oranges & Lemons" Anglias. Can someone ask him if he has any tales to
tell?

Regards

David


Perhaps one of you would put this question to Chris on David's behalf

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Posted 07 August 2009 - 12:21

To elaborate...the two Anglias were always called Oranges and Lemons in Motoring News. I can't recall who drove which, but I was astonished when I first saw them at an early 60s Silverstone meeting (Martini Trophy?) putting Mk2 Jags in their place.

For years I thought they had the then secret Twink engine, but Ian Titchmarsh insisted I was wrong on that at a northern TNF do, a while ago.

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Posted 07 August 2009 - 18:22

Like David, my questions go waaay back, to when he was driving Superspeed Anglias with Mike Young, that was just the 43 years ago :)



I am just looking for appropriate books/photos for a signature :up:

#193 Gary C

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 20:24

Well, I had a good time! Absolutely knackered too. Was good to meet a few more TNf'ers. And wait til you all see the quiz questions !!

#194 Gary C

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 20:25

Congrats to Richard for organising it all and also to Jane, Christine & Bill for the food (excellent once again) and to Andrew Kitson for supplying most of the video footage.

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 20:29

Today's film show was an excellent day. Thanks to Richard for organising it, to Chris Craft for a very entertaining interview, to Simon for stepping in as interviewer and to David Force for a very challenging quiz.

According to Autocourse, the odd looking #23 at the 1971 South African GP that some of us were debating was Bonnier's McLaren M7C which I find inexplicable. I was sure I knew what the M7C looked like. Maybe he'd added a strange nose to it because it was overheating.

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 20:47

Congrats to Richard for organising it all and also to Jane, Christine & Bill for the food (excellent once again) and to Andrew Kitson for supplying most of the video footage.


Seconded Gary - and well done to you too. A great day. Good venue, marvellous company, interesting throughout, lovely food (and that's probably an understatement). All told an excellent event and extremely good value.

Richard, you and your team excelled yourselves again today. Many thanks.

Andrew, I thought bringing your picture of Geoff Friswell was very poignant - having spent some time looking at it today, I really must get a copy.

How nice to see Chris Craft looking so well and what an enjoyable interview, so ably conducted by Simon (Note to Mr Arrron: stop the travelling and writing and get a career on TV !!)

Bradbury West, Kingsley Rob, Roger Clark all travelled significant distances - I'm sure you found it worth your while. I hope so.

All we need to do now is stop that bugger McKinney winning the quiz next time...

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#197 FrankB

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 20:54

I can only echo what others have already said. Thanks and congratulations are due to everyone who contributed to the success of the day.

For the purposes of historical accuracy I would like to record the fact that the only reason that MrsB and I were included in the winning team was because of a fortuitous choice of lunch table. Our contribution to the answers was non-existent!

#198 sterling49

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 21:01

For anyone who missed the event, a truly great day! Thank you Richard for organising a terrific day, and of course, Simon for taking over the duties of compere at the eleventh hour, a very proffessional and entertaining interview indeed with our guest, Chris Craft. Thanks also to, Andy and Gary for the great job they did with the films. Richard's sister Jane and husband Bill, did a fantastic job with the food, I have to say very delicately BBQ'd by Bill :up:

Chris Craft with Simom

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Richard Hinton, well done!

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Simon, adjudicating over quiz results......David conjured up a real corker again :wave:

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Well done to David McKinney's team on winning the quiz again, however, team "Piston Broke" were pleased to be lead into 2nd place by team leader, Tony Mathews, who coerced and cajoled Glyn, Gary, Tony Turner and Roger Lund, David Brown and myself onto the leader board! Next time!!!

#199 sterling49

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 21:02

Nearly forgot, nice to spend some time with the guys from far off places, they drove a long way!!! Thank you for driving today Glyn, I hope my navigation lived up to expectations! :rotfl:

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#200 john earthrowl

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 23:00

Well done richard . A thoroughly enjoyable day . A big thank you to all involved in putting on a fantastic show ,the choice of films was excellent ,the interview was special ,the food was good ,the weather fantastic , I look forward to the next show