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#1 Dooly Tilly

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 08:55

Will this be Nick's last year in the big league or do you think he can return to 2007 form?

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#2 mursuka80

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 09:10

Originally posted by Dooly Tilly
Will this be Nick's last year in the big league or do you think he can return to 2007 form?


I dont remember him being in form in 2007.If BMW has build a rocket he should finally get his first win.Guy surely deserves it.

#3 COUGAR508

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 09:17

I agree that Heidfeld deserves a win. As regards his future, this naturally depends on BMW's long-term plans, and also what Kubica does. If Kubica stays, do they keep Nick on as a reliable support driver, or if they show big ambition, do they hire another top driver or a talented youngster in place of Heidfeld?

#4 Dooly Tilly

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 09:23

Originally posted by mursuka80


I dont remember him being in form in 2007..

He was one of the best drivers of 2007 and beat Kubica easily. :up:

#5 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 09:56

It will be his last year at BMW.. before Ferrari dumps one of their drivers for him. :smoking:

#6 Walsingham

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 11:07

Originally posted by Dooly Tilly

He was one of the best drivers of 2007 and beat Kubica easily. :up:


Kubica lost with the car not with Nick. 2008 proves that.

I dont think it's Nick's last year. He is great driver, great overtaker, he is 11 kg lighter than Kubica so KERS should help him, he is smooth so moving center of gravity to the front should help him as well. Far from retirement. But if tyre blankets will be illegal in 2010 he may struggle again in qualis.

#7 Dooly Tilly

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 11:12

Originally posted by Walsingham


Kubica lost with the car not with Nick. 2008 proves that.

Well by that standard you could say that Heidfeld lost with the car (in 08), not with Kubica. 2007 proves that. :cat: And since the only other comparison is the latter half of 2006, where Nick was clearly faster and better, that suggests that Nick is the better driver.
In all honestly though, I think they're on a similar level, but perhaps Heidfeld has peaked.

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 12:00

I don't remember Nick being clearly faster in 2006. Maybe in qualies.

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 12:36

If both Nick and Robert have no issues with the car next year and both perform at or near to their full potential then i dont think there'll be any reason for BMW not to keep both of them as long as they desire.

If one of them though still struggles with the tyres, as Kubica did in 2007 and Heidfeld did in 2008, then they'll need to part with one of them and Heidfeld would be a weaker link than Kubica probably. I say they'll need to part with one of them because it seems depending on which direction BMW have taken technically in the past, determines which driver struggles. They need both drivers performing without issue to challenge for the titles, which of course is their goal for the coming years.

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 12:57

Have Nick ever led a race for more than just a few laps in a longer stint then the others?

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 13:02

Originally posted by GiancarloF1
Have Nick ever led a race for more than just a few laps in a longer stint then the others?


Canada 2008. :cat:

Seriously though, what would you expect? The 2008 BMW was the first competitive car he's had since F3000, and it was quite clear that he had some fundamental issues with it. Certainly if the issues were the 'true' cause, the vastly different 2009 specs will allow Nick to show his true form.

And if he doesn't, last season, obviously. There are a lot of talented Germans these days. :drunk:

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 13:05

I think Heidfeld is a fine driver but if Kubica proves decisively faster in the first four or five races, I think BMW will bring in for '10 somebody else - that is if Kubica's staying. If Heidfeld equals Kubica, there's no reason for anybody to go anywhere as I think Kubica will be champion this year.

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 13:05

I think an Alonso, or a Schumacher could easily have done a miracle in the last two years BMW. Also Kubica looks more of a winning potential, he showed that many times last year. Nick's only fake chance for a win was indeed Canada, but how would his performance gone without deploying the SC at the right time? He wasn't even in the points unlike Kubica, who drove in 2nd.

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 13:12

yaaaaaawn.
another Kubica vs. Heidfeld thread.

#15 craftverk

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 13:21

No, not if Heidfeld beats Kubica.

#16 pingu666

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 14:53

whos avalible, and better than nick ?

button, rubens *maybe*


typical fire that person tifosi-esc reflex action :drunk:

#17 Chicken McNuggets

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 15:30

Personally I can't see enough between the two of them to justify actually moving Heidfeld out. He's still a couple of years from even being at a justifiable retirement age even in today's excessively youthful field. The podium counts of the two drivers in 2008 were similar as far as I'm aware, and as others have suggested, there's no obvious candidate at all to replace him of those likely to become available for '10. Alonso's obviously got his eye on another team; Kovalainen doesn't seem to have exactly bitten relentlessly at Hamilton's heels, which you'd have thought would have been a minimum requirement for ambitious BMW; Pantano and Bourdais aren't drastically younger but give away a great deal in terms of F1 experience and reputation; Button is hardly rated massively higher; and it's hard to imagine a Senna, Di Resta or Di Grassi accumulating as many points as a Heidfeld given his error-free and canny racecraft.

So honestly, I don't know who you'd suggest. Maybe you'd rate Raikkonen higher, but I don't know how vulnerable the Ferrari man really is to being replaced.

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 15:45

Originally posted by Dooly Tilly

Well by that standard you could say that Heidfeld lost with the car (in 08), not with Kubica. 2007 proves that. :cat: And since the only other comparison is the latter half of 2006, where Nick was clearly faster and better, that suggests that Nick is the better driver.
In all honestly though, I think they're on a similar level, but perhaps Heidfeld has peaked.



Give me a break. In latter 2006 Heidfeld has had five seasons in f1 car under his belt while all Kubica's F1 experience was being test driver for 2/3 of the season. And I dont know whether you've watched that season but by no means was Heidfeld "clearly faster". Sure, he scored more points but he wasnt "clearly faster". If you check pace stats you'll learn that in races it was Kubica who was slightly faster. In seven races Kubica finished ahead in 3. 3:4 is quite good rate for a rookie against seasoned veteran.

Im not sure that outscoring 11:6 rookie who hasnt even completed full season as a tester should for anybody - not mentioning "Quick Nick" - be proof that someone is "better driver". Heidfeld "was" better in 2006 but by no means he "is" better now. The same way you could say Heidfeld is better than Raikkonen because he outperformed him in 2001.

There is no comparison between 2007 Kubica's problems and relative performance and 2008 Heidfeld problems and relative performance. Go check the stats, read some drivers comments, compare not only points but also starting and finishing positions, analyze each race history, and look at the relative car potential in 07 and 08. If you'll do this you will notice that Kubica's performance in 07 was much better than Heidfeld's in 08.

That doesnt change my opinion that Heidfeld is very good driver, and changes in rules seem to potentialy give him some advantage and this way save his seat in top team. OR who knows maybe even fight for WDC.

#19 pingu666

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 15:53

why are kubi fans so keen to get rid of nick?

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#20 Walsingham

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 15:56

Originally posted by pingu666
why are kubi fans so keen to get rid of nick?


Ask the guy who started that thread. Wait... He thinks Heidfeld is better than Kubica.