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[Jerry Entin]

Bob Schroeder and Jim Hall and Burney Russell
In January 1958 Bob Schroeder had just joined the Hall/Shelby agency in Dallas when he and Jim Hall went to visit Burney Russell's shop in Fort Worth. Russell was the wrencher for Roy Cherryhomes, Dick McGuire and others. Here they pose with McGuire's Ferrari Monza, Cherryhomes Maserati A6GCS and an unidentified Lotus 11.

Photo From: Sports Car Racing in the South

Edited by Jerry Entin, 16 December 2011 - 03:24.

[Jerry Entin]

Bob Schroeder's 6.2-liter Kurtis/Buick leading the pack
After Jimmy Stout waves the green flag. Following are Jim Saunders [FoMoCo Special], Gary Laughlin [750 Monza], Dale Duncan [300S] and Ray Jones [857 Monza].

The photo was taken at Galveston on July 7, 1957, and shows the start of Race 4, an 8-lap prelim. Bob Schroeder lost his gearbox on the opening lap. The race went to Jones over Saunders.

From: Sports Car Racing in the South

Edited by Jerry Entin, 27 January 2015 - 11:05.

[Jerry Entin]

Houston, August 1962. Bob Schroeder and John Mecom admiring the second de Tomaso Formula Senior that Mecom had added to his stable.

Note the Scarab Formula One chassis in the background, acquired by Mecom from RAI for $2,000.

photo: Willem Oosthoek collection

Edited by Jerry Entin, 17 December 2011 - 22:25.

[RA Historian]

Note the Scarab Formula One chassis in the background, acquired by Mecom from RAI for $2,000.

The unraced third chassis. As I recall, it went to Don Devine, then to the Donington Collection, which has recently sold it.
Tom

[Jerry Entin]

Tom, you are right. The American Airlines airfreight bill dated August 7, 1962, lists the car as:

1 race car w/o engine, uncrated.

It was flown from LAX to Dallas, then trucked to Mecom's address at 2960 Lazy Lane in Houston. The RAI invoice lists $2,000 for the rolling chassis and $292.59 for out of state transportation.

So far conventional wisdom has always been that Mecom acquired the Formula One chassis as part of a package deal with the rear-engined Scarab sportsracer in September of 1963. This is proof that Mecom bought the Formula One car more than a year before the sportsracer changed hands.

all research: Willem Oosthoek

[Jerry Entin]

Dallas, 1959: Bob Schroeder trying out the cockpit arrangement of the brand new, engineless Costin Lister, chassis #132.

Of all the Listers they imported, only one Costin Lister passed through the Hall/Shelby agency in Dallas. It was chassis 132, sold to John Edgar without an engine. Edgar planned to install the V8 engine of his Maserati 450S, chassis 4506. Chuck Daigh was hired to do the installation, but in an interview in 2001 Daigh remembered that the Lister chassis was not aligned properly and nothing ever came of the project. Today the car is owned by Eric Shirley

photo: Robert Schroeder collection

all research: Willem Oosthoek

Edited by Jerry Entin, 19 December 2011 - 21:29.

[raceannouncer2003]

Dallas, 1959: Bob Schroeder trying out the cockpit arrangement of the brand new, engineless Costin Lister, chassis #132.

Of all the Listers they imported, only one Costin Lister passed through the Hall/Shelby agency in Dallas. It was chassis 132, sold to John Edgar without an engine. Edgar planned to install the V8 engine of his Maserati 450S, chassis 4506. Chuck Daigh was hired to do the installation, but in an interview in 2001 Daigh remembered that the Lister chassis was not aligned properly and nothing ever came of the project. Today the car is owned by Eric Shirley

photo: Robert Schroeder collection

all research: Willem Oosthoek

I understand this is the one that then went to Dave Ridenour and then Ted Peterson and was Jag-powered. Then to others with Chev power, as I believe it is today. Eric Shirley is, I believe, Jon Shirley's son.

Vince H.

[David McKinney]

Wasn't the Ridenour/Peterson car in the Bianco Rosso collection in Germany at the same time that Syd Silverman had 132?

[raceannouncer2003]

Wasn't the Ridenour/Peterson car in the Bianco Rosso collection in Germany at the same time that Syd Silverman had 132?

Interesting. I was going by the following:

http://www.finecars......Browcount]=30

This link shows the Bianco Rosso Lister as a Le Mans car, dark with a stripe (fifth photo):

http://www.bjorns-st.../BRossi_eng.htm

And these links say the Ridenour Lister had been raced by Bueb, and shows it dark with a stripe:

http://www.tamsoldra...stinLister.html

http://www.tamsoldra.....Dave Ridenour

Doug?

Vince H.

[Jerry Entin]

Hammond, Louisiana, May 1957: All aboard the CSSCI Greyhound bus!

Bob Schroeder with unidentified blonde, CSSCI sales manager Jim Roberts with the black hat and Bob Stonedale [sunglasses] and wife. A good time was had by all.

Ebb Rose won the prelim in his finned Corvette SR-2, but dropped out in the feature, which went to Norm Scott [Porsche 550RS] over Carroll Shelby [CM Corvette owned by Rose].


Photo: Willem Oosthoek Collection

Edited by Jerry Entin, 26 May 2012 - 16:21.

[Kurtis 500S]

Regarding post #37 which noted that Shroeder's Buick-powered sports car was a Kurtis chassis with a 500M body. I met the current owner at the Jan. Chilli Bowl in Tulsa and saw a couple of photos of the car as it looks today. The car had evidence of the old pink paint which in my opinion pretty well identifies it. It also currently runs a Buick. The post indicated that it might be a 500M body (correct) mounted on a modified 500X chassis. Having owned several M and KK cars as well as an X, I can advise that the chassis appeared to be a normal M chassis and not an X chassis. If I am able to re-connect with the owner, I will post current photos. Don Blenderman

[raceannouncer2003]

Don

 

Off topic a bit, but...

 

Do you know where the following car is now?…1958, Kurtis-Chrysler, owner Dick Hahn, driver Lew Florence, Shelton, Washington...

 

   

 

Vince H.

Edited by raceannouncer2003, 27 January 2015 - 05:58.

[Kurtis 500S]

If the head fairing is located on the centerline of the cockpit, I think I have a photo of the car being shown at Pebble Beach.  I think Duncan Emmons was showing it.

 

Don

[raceannouncer2003]

If the head fairing is located on the centerline of the cockpit, I think I have a photo of the car being shown at Pebble Beach.  I think Duncan Emmons was showing it.

 

Don

 

Thanks, Don

 

A photo from Martin Rudow's "Long Straights and Hairpin Turns" (I'm sure he won't mind).  Owner Dick Hahn on the right:

 

 

Who has the Emmons Kurtis now?

 

Vince H.

Edited by raceannouncer2003, 08 February 2015 - 06:35.

[Richard Jenkins]

Just with the "other" Bob Schroeder - the Indy entrant. Instead of coming up to his 90th birthday, I've found that he actually died in 1990, aged only 61. A feature on him from an Illinois newspaper about his 1959 effort revealed he was actually born in 1928, he was married to Lindi and a host of other information. When then searching "robert schroeder" and "lindi", it revealed, first, her obituary which said her husband was already deceased, and then I found another Illinois newspaper which had his obituary.

 

There's a number of people that I'm not entirely convinced are still alive and Bob was one of them. Unfortunately my hunch proved correct, so now both Bob Schroeder's are gone.

[jal43]

Hi

any know which color scheme was the Kurtis 500M that Bob raced et Torreon, Avandaro or Galveston races?

[Jerry Entin]

jal43,

 

Bob's Kurtis was white, with the hood and side sections painted pink. The color scheme was applied in Ebb Rose's workshop in Houston. Rose and his mechanic Lloyd Ruby joked that Bob now had "the prettiest whore in town."

 

 

All research: Willem Oosthoek

[jal43]

Thanks a lot Jerry

 

The car of Bob Cgristie on Panamericana '54 was the same car?

and the samme color scheme?

[Jerry Entin]

The 1954 Panam car must have been a different one. Schroeder put his Kurtis/Buick together himself, with the help of some friends, and his first race with it was at Mansfield, Louisiana, in March 1957.

 

all research: Willem Oosthoek

[500M]

Jerry Entin, the pictures are not showing up on this thread, have they been taken down?

[Jerry Entin]

500 M: This thread was put up several years ago and i used Image shack to host the photos. They have since taken them down. I will put them back up for you.