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#1 humphries

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Posted 03 February 2009 - 15:15

The Paris-Roubaix is, of course, a very famous cycle race but from 1898 to 1901? the race catered for motorcycles, the most competitive of which were the tricycles - the fierce three-wheelers that could often humble the voitures in races on the continent at the turn of the 19/20th century.

Despite searching the net I can only find references to the pedal cyclists. Does anybody know anything about the motorised section, such as entries and results?

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#2 David McKinney

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Posted 03 February 2009 - 15:23

I thought I did...

All I have however is a note for the 1898 race saying "see Autocar 1923" - and I no longer have 1923 Autocars

#3 Jean L

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Posted 03 February 2009 - 17:09

According to Pierre Chany,historian of the bicycle,cars (in 1897 & 1898) et three wheels motorized (in 1897,1898 & 1899) were used only as entraîneur,in english for drafting ?,so there are no results.Were présent Charron et René de Knyff.In 1899,the winner was Albert Champion ( 19 year old !) who create later Champion sparking plugs and AC.

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Posted 03 February 2009 - 17:50

Jean

As you say the mentions on the web imply that motorised vehicles were used for pacing which was undoubtedly the case but Rose states that the first motor-cycle race was won by Degrais in 7 hours and 29 mins in April 1898. Could it be that this race was on a different day to the cycle event?

On 11-12 May 1898 the race for motor-cycles, Paris-Bordeauux, was titled the Criterium des Entraineurs and the Tricycle class was won by Jean Corre on a de Dion-Bouton. "Le Velo" organised this race as well as the Paris-Roubaix. Maybe the Entraineurs had their own race from Paris-Roubaix?

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#5 Andrew Stevens

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Posted 03 February 2009 - 18:59

I finished reading Charles Jarrot's "10 Years of Motors & Motor Racing" recently and I seem to recall him mentioning this event. I'll have to get the book out again and have a look. He was a keen 'tricyclist' if I can use such a term! He was also a competition (pedal) cyclist too, so I hope I don't have my info crossed...

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Posted 03 February 2009 - 22:51

Originally posted by humphries
Jean

As you say the mentions on the web imply that motorised vehicles were used for pacing which was undoubtedly the case but Rose states that the first motor-cycle race was won by Degrais in 7 hours and 29 mins in April 1898. Could it be that this race was on a different day to the cycle event?

On 11-12 May 1898 the race for motor-cycles, Paris-Bordeauux, was titled the Criterium des Entraineurs and the Tricycle class was won by Jean Corre on a de Dion-Bouton. "Le Velo" organised this race as well as the Paris-Roubaix. Maybe the Entraineurs had their own race from Paris-Roubaix?

John



Lots of Bicycleracers became later car drivers or had something else to do with motorsport.
Some names; Albert Champion, Henri & Maurice Farman, Henri Fournier, Thaddäus Robl, Jack William Stocks, Selwyn Francis Edge, Jean Marie Corre, Fernand Charron, Ugo Sivocci, Ralph DePalma etc.

From Paris-Roubaix I have
1-5-1898: 1. Degrais (De Dion) 180 miles/ 7:29
2-4-1899: 1. Osmont (De Dion) 180 miles/ 5:35.30
0-0-1900: 1. Paul Baras (??) 52 entries. 19 starters

For early motoracing (bikes) you may try

http://racingmemo.fr...TO_SOMMAIRE.htm

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Posted 03 February 2009 - 22:55

Originally posted by gerrit stevens

From Paris-Roubaix I have
1-5-1898: 1. Degrais (De Dion) 180 miles/ 7:29
2-4-1899: 1. Osmont (De Dion) 180 miles/ 5:35.30
0-0-1900: 1. Paul Baras (??) 52 entries. 19 starters


The date of the bicycle races
1898 10 April
1899 2 April
1900 16 April
1901 7 April

So perhaps the tricycle races were on 16-4-1900 and 6-4-1901 (if there was any).

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Posted 04 February 2009 - 15:58

I have:

1898-04-10, 287 km, 1 Henri Degrais, 7:29', etc.
1899-04-02, 1 Georges Osmont (De Dion-Bouton), 5:35', (2 Léon Théry (Decauville)?), etc.
1900-04-??, 1 Paul Baras, etc. (29 starters, 52 entries)

Btw, Apr 16 in 1900 was Easter Monday, the other dates were Easter Sundays.

#9 Fred Gallagher

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Posted 04 February 2009 - 16:18

Originally posted by gerrit stevens


From Paris-Roubaix I have
1-5-1898: 1. Degrais (De Dion) 180 miles/ 7:29
2-4-1899: 1. Osmont (De Dion) 180 miles/ 5:35.30
0-0-1900: 1. Paul Baras (??) 52 entries. 19 starters

Gerrit Stevens

Delsaux's Chronique du Sport Automobile Mondial quotes:

16-04-00: 1. Baras (Perfecta)

Fred

#10 humphries

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Posted 04 February 2009 - 18:32

Michael et al

So it appears there were distinct races for the tricycles and odd motos.

Michael, the etcs? Just what I'm looking for!!

John

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Posted 04 February 2009 - 20:06

Me too! :D

#12 Henk

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Posted 07 February 2009 - 20:21

Some etcs for 1899…..

Paris-Roubaix 02-04-1899
Motorcycles

57 starters (list available, if there is interest)
mostly tricycles, only two 2 bicycles and 3 tandems

27 competitors finished in time

1. Osmont 5:35:30
2. Béconnais 5:45:15
3. Girardot 6:02
4. Vasseur 6:09:10
5. Caron 6:24:30
6. Rolland 6:31
7. Baras 6:36:45
8. Hugues 6:54
9. Echalié 6:57
10. Prince 7:02
11. Oury 7:03
12. Lepoutre 7:20
13. Bar 7:24
14. Ducom 7:25

#13 fines

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Posted 07 February 2009 - 20:26

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Originally posted by Henk
57 starters (list available, if there is interest)

YES, yes, yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesy... :D

#14 humphries

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 11:40

Henk

Interested? Most certainly. Well, half a dozen of us! Are the tricycle manufacturers mentioned?

Thanks

#15 Henk

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 17:24

Starters 1899

Composed after two somewhat controversial listings in ‘Le Petit Parisien’ and ‘La Presse’.

Subject to further correction/amendment.

Tricycle manufactures not mentioned.
Bicycle makes: Phébus (1), Werner (1)
Tandem makes: Chouberski (2), Dussart (1)



Accou brothers (tandem), Achille, Ajax, Auto

Bar, Baras, Bardin, Bastaert, Bataillelie (or Bataiellie), Béconnais, Bourgine

Caron, Chenard, Christophle (or Christophe), Courbe,

Deckert, Degré (Degrais ?), Duval, Ducom

Echalié

Gaëtan de Meaulne, Girardot, Gori, Grandclaude brothers (tandem), Griet

Hébert, Hugues

Isidore

Kuhling

Lamberjack, Lamon, Learle, Lefebvre, Léonard, Lepoutre, Lopard

Nicolas

Osmont, Oury

Perrault (or Perault), Ponscarme and Robinet (tandem), Prince

Quantin de la Roere

Renoire, Ricard, Rigal, Rolland

Scigriol

Teste, Théodore, Tisci, Tronchon (or Trouchon)

Vasseur, Verdal (or Verdol), Vigneaux

Walcker, Weidenfeller, Whitechurch, Wilfrid

#16 Henk

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 17:32

A few results for 1898 and 1900….

Paris-Roubaix 10-04-1898

1. Degrais 7:29 (Victor Mathieu tricycle)
2. Osmont 8:34
3. Marot 8:34

Paris-Roubaix 15-04-1900

1. Baras 3:48
2. Tart 4:28
3. Vasseur 4:40
4. Bataillelie (or Bataiellie) 5:02
5. Collignon 5:16
6. Delisle
7. Ghénard
8. Bathiat

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 07:19

Fabulous stuff! :up:

Thanks, Henk! :)

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 07:30

On 11-12 May 1898 the race for motor-cycles, Paris-Bordeauux, was titled the Criterium des Entraineurs and the Tricycle class was won by Jean Corre on a de Dion-Bouton. "Le Velo" organised this race as well as the Paris-Roubaix. Maybe the Entraineurs had their own race from Paris-Roubaix?
John


John
Are you sure Jean Marie Corre won the race?
I thought he was 4th and driving a Fouillaron with Dion engine
(He was director of the Fouillaron compagnie till 1901)

12-05-1898 I Criterium des Entraneurs ´Paris/Bordeaux´
1) René de Knijff - voiture Panhard
2) Fernand Charron - voiture Panhard
3) Breuil - voiture Panhard
4) Jean Marie Corre - voiture de Dion ( Fouillaron )
Posted Image
J.M.Corre sur Tricycle
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Edited by corre-lalicorne.com, 23 September 2009 - 07:32.


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Posted 23 September 2009 - 08:45

John
Are you sure Jean Marie Corre won the race?
I thought he was 4th and driving a Fouillaron with Dion engine
(He was director of the Fouillaron compagnie till 1901)

12-05-1898 I Criterium des Entraneurs ´Paris/Bordeaux´
1) René de Knijff - voiture Panhard
2) Fernand Charron - voiture Panhard
3) Breuil - voiture Panhard
4) Jean Marie Corre - voiture de Dion ( Fouillaron )
Posted Image
J.M.Corre sur Tricycle
www.corre-lalicorne.com


I don't see the problem. The first three were cars, so Corre was the first motor(tri)cycle as the picture shows.


Gerrit Stevens



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#20 corre-lalicorne.com

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 10:13

I don't see the problem. The first three were cars, so Corre was the first motor(tri)cycle as the picture shows.
Gerrit Stevens

You are absolutly wright, i am sorry that i did'nt noticed.