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#1 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 21:54

Last weekend saw the start of the 2009 Retromobile. Again at Porte Versailles in Paris, in fact on the third floor of building 7. Many visitors, famous or not-famous, TNF or not-TNF. Again a great atmosphere and some very special cars.

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#2 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 22:00

This honourable gentleman told me all F1 cars on display were his. Of course you don't fool me easily. He even stated he has several more stashed away near an area in development...

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#3 Alan Cox

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 22:03

Nice photos, Arjan. Thank you for posting.

#4 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 22:12

Of course models have my interest. This is Patrice De Conto fabulous Lancia D50 in 1:6th scale as presented by Patrick Badot of Minidelta.

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#5 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 22:17

One of the cars why you go to a show like this: the Abarth Alfa Romeo Colani!!

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#6 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 22:25

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Great art by Hideki Yoshida

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#7 Cris

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 23:35

Arjan, thanks for the photos!

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#8 Carles Bosch

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 06:53

Seizing the opportunity, I also will put a few personal photos:



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'32 8C 2300 Alfa Romeo... bellissima!!!.



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A 203 Darl'Mat Peugeot.



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The '39 Monte-Carlo Rally winning Hotchkiss Riviera of Trévoux & Lesurque.



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One of the stars of the show: the '39 Tripoli GP Mercedes-Benz W165.



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#9 Wouter Melissen

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 12:41

I was thoroughly impressed this year. Between the 1932 Le Mans winning Alfa, all the Donnington F1 cars and the barn-find Bugatti, it was a spectacular show. My report can be found here, complete with a 130 shot gallery of all the highlights:

http://www.ultimatec...etromobile.html

My favourite:

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#10 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 13:21

Originally posted by Wouter Melissen
I was thoroughly impressed this year. Between the 1932 Le Mans winning Alfa, all the Donnington F1 cars and the barn-find Bugatti, it was a spectacular show. My report can be found here, complete with a 130 shot gallery of all the highlights:

http://www.ultimatec...etromobile.html


Great shots Wouter! Indeed a great show. It was also refreshing, after having visited Donington 15 months ago, to see some of the cars in a better (day)light.

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 13:46

This was my first experience of Retromobile - lovely displays, lovely atmosphere - a pool of palpable enthusiasm - I found it quite electric. We were making three one-hour documentaries for Discovery TV and came home with some 26 hours in the can... I had not been aware of Minidelta and their extraordinary model range before, and the sight of their mechanically-detailed, working suspension 1:43-scale miniatures - quite apart from Patrice de Conto's simply stupendous 1:6-scale D50 - left me awe-struck.

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 14:08

Lovely photos, but what are the subjects? I recognise most. But not, for example, the yellow LHD sports car with race no 115?
Informative captions please for those of us not fortunate enough to be there. :)

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 14:32

With reference to DCN's comment on Minidelta, some exquisite examples of their products from their website...
http://www.minidelta.be/gb_8.htm
http://www.minidelta.be/gb_6.htm - including the Lancia D50
http://www.minidelta.be/gb_10.htm
http://www.minidelta.be/pdc.htm

All top stuff

#14 Wouter Melissen

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 14:54

Originally posted by D-Type
Lovely photos, but what are the subjects? I recognise most. But not, for example, the yellow LHD sports car with race no 115?
Informative captions please for those of us not fortunate enough to be there. :)


It looks like an OSCA TN to me. That particularly broker does not have cards with descriptions on them in front of the cars, so it is not always quite clear.

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 14:55

Originally posted by Doug Nye
This was my first experience of Retromobile - lovely displays, lovely atmosphere - a pool of palpable enthusiasm - I found it quite electric. We were making three one-hour documentaries for Discovery TV and came home with some 26 hours in the can... I had not been aware of Minidelta and their extraordinary model range before, and the sight of their mechanically-detailed, working suspension 1:43-scale miniatures - quite apart from Patrice del Conto's simply stupendous 1:6-scale D50 - left me awe-struck.

DCN


I can't believe that it took 34 editions before you made it over. Any particular reasons why you did not visit before?

#16 Doug Nye

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 16:47

Good heavens man - It's French.... :rotfl:

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 19:28

Originally posted by Wouter Melissen
I was thoroughly impressed this year. Between the 1932 Le Mans winning Alfa, all the Donnington F1 cars and the barn-find Bugatti, it was a spectacular show. My report can be found here, complete with a 130 shot gallery of all the highlights:


Stunning stuff Wouter, though I wouldn't vouch for that McLaren being being an M7D, what with the Cossie in the back, and Denis Hulme splashed on the side !!

#18 Wouter Melissen

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 19:48

Originally posted by macoran


Stunning stuff Wouter, though I wouldn't vouch for that McLaren being being an M7D, what with the Cossie in the back, and Denis Hulme splashed on the side !!


Don't let the engine and livery fool you. The only surviving M7A is in the Henri Malartre museum near Lyon in France.

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 20:10

Originally posted by Wouter Melissen


Don't let the engine and livery fool you. The only surviving M7A is in the Henri Malartre museum near Lyon in France.


True, yes, but showing a Cossie powered M7 with Denny Hulme signwritten on the side is a huge injustice to the efforts of Andrea de Adamich and Alfa Romeo at the time, especially if it is an M7D monocoque.

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#20 Wouter Melissen

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 20:14

Originally posted by macoran


True, yes, but showing a Cossie powered M7 with Denny Hulme signwritten on the side is a huge injustice to the efforts of Andrea de Adamich and Alfa Romeo at the time, especially if it is an M7D monocoque.


It even appears in this guise in the new McLaren book by William Taylor.

#21 Doug Nye

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 20:29

It must be right then. :cool:

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#22 Wouter Melissen

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 20:37

Originally posted by Doug Nye
It must be right then. :cool:

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This is M7A/2: http://www.flickr.co...57603978890063/

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 20:43

Originally posted by Wouter Melissen


This is M7A/2: http://www.flickr.co...57603978890063/


THAT ! is an even greater rape of motoring history; an M7 Formula 1 McLaren with something but a Cosworth in the back!

#24 Wouter Melissen

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 20:45

Originally posted by macoran


THAT ! is an even greater rape of motoring history an M7 Formula 1 McLaren without a Cosworth in the back!


That's probably what the car came with: http://www.oldracing...php?CarID=M7A/2

However that still conflicts with the livery on the car right now.

#25 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 21:06

Originally posted by D-Type
Lovely photos, but what are the subjects? I recognise most. But not, for example, the yellow LHD sports car with race no 115?
Informative captions please for those of us not fortunate enough to be there. :)


My profound apologies. This yellow thing is an OSCA S 187 750cc from 1959 and was on the Galerie des Damiers stand. Always a place to find some rare etceterini's.

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 21:15

They also had this lovely Cisitalia 303 DF from 1952

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 21:19

Just discovered I saw a 1985 March 711, I repeat 1985 :|

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Still a very friendly Motul hostess on that stand :blush:

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 21:24

And a 2008 Matra 630, 2008 yes.

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Last year it looked like this:
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Posted 11 February 2009 - 00:52

Any Siatas, Morettis, or other etceterinis???

And also Wauter, what is your connection with the ultimate car page??
They seem to only publish new super car press releases and then your
articles on classic cars (which are fantastic).

cliff reuter
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Posted 11 February 2009 - 03:40

Originally posted by Wouter Melissen
That's probably what the car came with: http://www.oldracing...php?CarID=M7A/2
However that still conflicts with the livery on the car right now.



The M7A in the Henri Malatre museum in Rochetaillée, France, is widely accepted as being the only surviving M7A "with race history" and is indeed still equipped with the 5 litre V8 Chevy which Tony Dean had fitted in the car to race in F 5000.

The subject came up on the french AutoDiva forum recently and the Donington "M7A" was said to have been built from "original spares" - and being without any race history . Anybody can confirm ?

As to wether the unique M7D still does exist somewhere, with an Alfa or a Cosworth in its back, I have no idea ..... but I'm sure somebody will.

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 03:52

Originally posted by Arjan de Roos
And a 2008 Matra 630, 2008 yes.[


This is the first of 3 "brand new" M630 reconstructions , made by Jean-Paul Humbert, the man behind the recent M650 and M640 reconstructions.

To make things simpler engine-wise ( ;) ) the future owners chose to have the 4,7 liter Ford V-8 powered version rebuilt, that engine base seeming to be widely more available that the BRM V-8 or Matra V-12 !

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 06:22

Originally posted by etceterini.com
Any Siatas, Morettis, or other etceterinis???

And also Wauter, what is your connection with the ultimate car page??
They seem to only publish new super car press releases and then your
articles on classic cars (which are fantastic).

cliff reuter
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In the line of Siatas or Morettis, but french... the Autobleu Mille Miglia, Renault powered:

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#33 Wouter Melissen

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 07:27

Originally posted by etceterini.com
Any Siatas, Morettis, or other etceterinis???

And also Wauter, what is your connection with the ultimate car page??
They seem to only publish new super car press releases and then your
articles on classic cars (which are fantastic).

cliff reuter
www.etceterini.com


Hi Cliff, I own the site. 'Unfortunately' we need to run the modern stuff to attract enough visitors.

#34 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 08:10

Originally posted by etceterini.com
Any Siatas, Morettis, or other etceterinis???

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Hi Cliff,

Not many more I am affraid. This year it was a year with quite some ISO/Bizzarini's and 275 GTB's. And yes I still have to admit there where less stands than in 2007 when it was last held in hall 7. The organisation had it cleverly disguised with larger/new lunch area's. Some model car makers chose not to attend this year. But then again I still have to find a car that was present at two consecutive shows.

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 08:20

It is rumoured that the "Donington Cars" are available ??????????????????

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 13:05

Rather belatedly I've just found this thread while googling for information on Retromobile 2009. It's worth pointing out that the 1:43 scale miniatures referred to by Doug Nye are not made by MiniDelta, but by Pierre Laugier of LP Creation. MiniDelta were sharing the stand with LP Creation, amongst other modelers, hence the possible confusion. I would recommend a visit to his site www.lpcreation.fr for anyone interested in 1:43 scale models.