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#101 DN5

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 18:30

I am hoping to get there on the Sunday - will the be a TNF meet up?

Geoff

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#102 elansprint72

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 18:48

Has anyone seen a copy of Derek's book yet? I've yet to see a review....................


Talking to Derek at Cholmondeley and he said the publisher had delayed the issue.


You can pre-order on Amazon, I believe.

Edited by elansprint72, 11 August 2009 - 18:50.


#103 richie

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 20:24

Other drivers: Clive Santo is still around the circuits - he works for Bernie. Tom Belso lives in Cambridgeshire, Patrick Sumner in Sussex I think. Bobby Brown in the US, Keith Holland - Kent?


Tom Belso has sold his business and his house so don't where he is. Called Keith Holland. Patrick Sumner is in Birdham Nr Chichester- so call him up. I've done alot of ringing around. Someone else's turn?


#104 richie

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 20:28

Tom Belso has sold his business and his house so don't where he is. Called Keith Holland. Patrick Sumner is in Birdham Nr Chichester- so call him up. I've done alot of ringing around. Someone else's turn?



I forgot to say I rang Fred Saunders, Alan Brodie and he's coming with Steve Thompson.


#105 richie

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 20:59

Patrick Sumner has posted on TNF in the past.


I've sent Patrick Sumner a PM and seems to have moved from Birdham so let's hope.


#106 Giraffe

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Posted 12 August 2009 - 07:42

Talking to Derek at Cholmondeley and he said the publisher had delayed the issue.


You can pre-order on Amazon, I believe.


Chaters/Motorbooks etc currently have it for sale............ :confused:

To answer DN5's question, there will undoubtably be alot of TNF'ers about, so a meeting seems somewhat inevitable. I've never seen Ted that far north (I think he'd do ok at the Gold Cup), so we may have to put our thinking cap's on, chaps?

I've heard nothing todate re. Sid Taylor as I handed over his contact details supplied to me by Jerry Entin after writing to him to Chris Sharples who inturn passed them on to Grahame White, so we shall see....

I will do some further detective work on other drivers today.............


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Posted 12 August 2009 - 07:50

I've sent Patrick Sumner a PM and seems to have moved from Birdham so let's hope.


Great to see so much interest in the (HSCC/MSV) get together. We hope for a good turn out. The BRDC have helped by mailing to an extensive list of drivers. I see Phil is organising the display, getting all of you to contribute! Marcus Pye has volunteered to be the 'compere'. If any of you have direct contact with potential invitees can you ask them to contact our office and they will send them tickets and an invitation to the reception on the Sunday evening.

The HSCC is at;

Historic Sports Car Club
Silverstone Circuit
Towcester
Northants NN12 8TN

01327 858400

office@hscc.org.uk

there is a form which can be used on the 'News' page of www.hscc.org.uk

Chris

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Posted 12 August 2009 - 11:50

I've sent Patrick Sumner a PM and seems to have moved from Birdham so let's hope.


Success- Patrick Sumner replied, he's coming.


#109 Giraffe

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Posted 12 August 2009 - 11:55

I've just heard from Chris Sharples who has just spoken to Sid Taylor who would very much like to come and is hopeful of making it.

#110 Alan Cox

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Posted 12 August 2009 - 12:20

I've never seen Ted that far north (I think he'd do ok at the Gold Cup), so we may have to put our thinking cap's on, chaps?

Ted will be at the Gold Cup but with his Retro Track and Air hat on, and not with his emporium.

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Posted 12 August 2009 - 13:24

Ted will be at the Gold Cup but with his Retro Track and Air hat on, and not with his emporium.


And his 772 I hope.

#112 Auroraf1

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Posted 12 August 2009 - 14:33

3 F5000's booked for testing at Oulton this Friday.

#113 Brynmor

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Posted 12 August 2009 - 19:07

As you all know by now, we are having a get together for F5000 "Old Boys" at the Gold Cup.

There will be a reception for them on Sunday night and I am going to set up a projector showing period F5000 Oulton Park pictures.

With the kind permission of Messers Giraffe and Cox, I will be using the fine examples shown on this thread.

Does anyone out there have some more I can borrow?

Phil


Phil my father has a batch of between 5 and 10 that you're welcome to have to see if they are of use, mostly paddock shots but set the scene nicely.

#114 richie

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Posted 12 August 2009 - 22:09

Great to see so much interest in the (HSCC/MSV) get together. We hope for a good turn out. The BRDC have helped by mailing to an extensive list of drivers. I see Phil is organising the display, getting all of you to contribute! Marcus Pye has volunteered to be the 'compere'. If any of you have direct contact with potential invitees can you ask them to contact our office and they will send them tickets and an invitation to the reception on the Sunday evening.

The HSCC is at;

Historic Sports Car Club
Silverstone Circuit
Towcester
Northants NN12 8TN

01327 858400

office@hscc.org.uk

there is a form which can be used on the 'News' page of www.hscc.org.uk


Chris



Has the BRDC or anyone contacted Tony Kitchiner to get him or one of his cars along?



#115 Auroraf1

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Posted 13 August 2009 - 09:26

Phil my father has a batch of between 5 and 10 that you're welcome to have to see if they are of use, mostly paddock shots but set the scene nicely.


They would be great, can you scan and e-mail them or send them by post?


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Posted 13 August 2009 - 17:01

Northern TNFers celebrate in their own style the prospect of F5000 at the Gold Cup
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#117 Allen Brown

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Posted 13 August 2009 - 19:06

Northern TNFers celebrate in their own style the prospect of F5000 at the Gold Cup
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I've just changed my mind about trying to attend the next Northern TNF meeting.

#118 Giraffe

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Posted 13 August 2009 - 20:23

Don't worry Allen, this is the secretive and little seen Welsh section of Northern England and Wales TNF; they send Barry in a pair of shorts to represent them. :cat:

You've got me thinking now; I might have just spotted a market for a TNF loincloth............ :eek:

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#119 Giraffe

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Posted 15 August 2009 - 08:00

3 F5000's booked for testing at Oulton this Friday.


So who tested, Phil??? :cat:


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#120 Brynmor

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Posted 15 August 2009 - 11:46

Has anybody got Phil's e-mail address?

#121 Giraffe

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Posted 16 August 2009 - 11:46

Has anybody got Phil's e-mail address?

PM'd you with it, Bryn. :wave:


#122 Brynmor

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Posted 16 August 2009 - 19:50

PM'd you with it, Bryn. :wave:


Thanks and pictures have been sent...

#123 Chilli

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Posted 17 August 2009 - 14:55

PM'd you with it, Bryn. :wave:



Hi there I'm new to the forum.

I own/race a Lola T142 (The ex Horst Kroll car) who came 5th in car number 37 at the 1969 Gold cup.

I will be bringing it along to the display area on the 30th August for the evening celebration.

Whilst Horst raced at the 1969 event, I believe it was in a different chassis to mine, but not sure.
My car was exported to Canada where it remained until 2006, so I don't know if it was the chassis raced at Oulton.

I'd love to be racing myself, but financially not possible currently, although I hope to do the last round of the Derek Bell Championship at Silverstone (a bit more run-off...) I did a couple of rounds last season which was huge fun.

Happy to meet any TFN ers please come and say Hi, it's yellow car number 32.

Cheers




#124 alansart

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Posted 17 August 2009 - 15:24

Hi there I'm new to the forum.

I own/race a Lola T142 (The ex Horst Kroll car) who came 5th in car number 37 at the 1969 Gold cup.

I will be bringing it along to the display area on the 30th August for the evening celebration.

Whilst Horst raced at the 1969 event, I believe it was in a different chassis to mine, but not sure.
My car was exported to Canada where it remained until 2006, so I don't know if it was the chassis raced at Oulton.

I'd love to be racing myself, but financially not possible currently, although I hope to do the last round of the Derek Bell Championship at Silverstone (a bit more run-off...) I did a couple of rounds last season which was huge fun.

Happy to meet any TFN ers please come and say Hi, it's yellow car number 32.

Cheers


I'm there on Sunday, so will bob by and say hello :)


#125 Giraffe

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Posted 17 August 2009 - 21:40

I own/race a Lola T142 (The ex Horst Kroll car) who came 5th in car number 37 at the 1969 Gold cup.



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Hi Chilli,
Is this your car pictured at Silverstone HSCC Finals, 2007.....

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By giraffe138, shot with DSC-W215 at 2009-07-18

........or the one on MSV Oulton Park stand at Cholmondeley? :wave:

#126 Chilli

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 07:19

Posted Image
By giraffe138

Hi Chilli,
Is this your car pictured at Silverstone HSCC Finals, 2007.....

Posted Image
By giraffe138, shot with DSC-W215 at 2009-07-18

........or the one on MSV Oulton Park stand at Cholmondeley? :wave:



Hi Giraffe

No, my car is the one in this link.

http://www.lolaherit...ker/T142_01.htm


I raced at the HSCC meetings at Silverstone May 2008 and Brands GP in June 2008, assuming the car went straight to Canada in 1969, last year was the first time it had raced this side of the pond.
Powersliding round Woodcote in the dry was something I hadn't experienced before in 25years of racing..

Regards

Chilli





#127 Ted Walker

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 07:23

Should be a good weekend. Shame that most of the races are SILENCED.

#128 Giraffe

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 07:28

I reckon that's your car in the top pick Chilli. It would appear that it was owned by David Gathercole at the time I photographed it at Silverstone in October 2007 where it was on display, but was not entered to race. It looks very similar.

#129 Chilli

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 07:44

I reckon that's your car in the top pick Chilli. It would appear that it was owned by David Gathercole at the time I photographed it at Silverstone in October 2007 where it was on display, but was not entered to race. It looks very similar.


Hi Giraffe

Yes you are right I bought it from David.

Sorry I can't open photo's on my office computer, but as it didn't race in 2007 I assumed the photo couldn't be mine. I forgot David displayed there, which is odd as that's where I first saw it and subsequently went on tho buy it a few weeks later. My bank account has never been the same since..

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#130 Giraffe

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 07:52

I was there when it made it's debut at Oulton, Chilli; I doubt you were old enough to be there! :blush:
I look forward to seeing it again at the Gold Cup & saying hello! :wave:

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 08:10

I was there when it made it's debut at Oulton, Chilli; I doubt you were old enough to be there! :blush:
I look forward to seeing it again at the Gold Cup & saying hello! :wave:



Hmm well I was still in Junior school, I didn't even start karting until 1972!

I'm still a bit puzzled whether it was my car Horst drove, as in a previous post it related to chassis 34, mine is 38? Could have been a typo. It certainly raced in Canada on the 18th May 1969, so it would have been a bit tight to race here it as was only invoiced by Lola on the 15th April 1969?

I hope to be at Oulton between lunchtime Sunday until after the Derek Bell race Monday, look forward to meeting you.

Chilli






#132 Giraffe

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 08:53

Horst Kroll still runs Krolls Auto Service in Scarborough, Ontario. Can't find an e-mail address but you could call him up and ask him on #416-282-5189.
My guess is you've got chassis 34 re-tubbed and wrongly numbered as Horst did crash it heavily at Trois Rivieres. He may be able to help you.

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 09:33

Horst Kroll still runs Krolls Auto Service in Scarborough, Ontario. Can't find an e-mail address but you could call him up and ask him on #416-282-5189.
My guess is you've got chassis 34 re-tubbed and wrongly numbered as Horst did crash it heavily at Trois Rivieres. He may be able to help you.



Thanks for that, I'll try and have the answer before the 30th.

#134 David McKinney

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 11:25

And of course there's always this:
http://www.oldracing...0/lola/t142.htm

#135 Giraffe

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 12:09

And of course there's always this:
http://www.oldracing...0/lola/t142.htm


It is interesting that both chassis 34 & 38 were invoiced after the date of the race at Oulton. Lola Heritage show 2 seperate 38's which may be the result of 34 receiving a new tub remarked in error.


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Posted 18 August 2009 - 17:37

At the risk of temporarily diverting this thread away from F5000, I'll be at Oulton all weekend in my role as Historic FF2000 organiser, so any TNFers, please drop by and say hello (you might well get a beer!). I'll probably be somewhere near the new Historic FF2000 awning (there'll be a Ford Galaxie parked nearby as well). We're quite excited about the Gold Cup, as we've got our largest ever entry (31 cars).

Edited by Cirrus, 18 August 2009 - 17:38.


#137 Alan Cox

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 19:18

At the risk of temporarily diverting this thread away from F5000, I'll be at Oulton all weekend in my role as Historic FF2000 organiser, so any TNFers, please drop by and say hello (you might well get a beer!).

Do you, by chance, have the same sponsor as last year, Alan? ;)


#138 Cirrus

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 19:21

Sadly, no... The sponsor in question supported us (most appropriately) at Mallory Park recently, and attended the event with the lovely Jane. This year we are sponsored by West End Motors, run by FF2000 stalwarts, Dave and Dale Spruce. I'm sorting out a couple of tickets for Dan, though - I'm sure he'll be there.

Edited by Cirrus, 18 August 2009 - 21:07.


#139 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 10:31

In for a treat at Oulton...two Lotus 25's racing I hear, chassis nos.R4 & R5. When was the last time two of those were racing in Cheshire?

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#140 chris sharples

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 14:33

In for a treat at Oulton...two Lotus 25's racing I hear, chassis nos.R4 & R5. When was the last time two of those were racing in Cheshire?

Andrew,
You are well informed. I don't know if the two cars were ever racing together at the Gold Cup but I am told that R4 was Clark's winning car in 1963 and that this year will be the first time it has returned.
Regards,
Chris

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 09:43

Entry list now published:
http://www.hscc.org......0Gold Cup.pdf

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 10:59

Andrew,
You are well informed. I don't know if the two cars were ever racing together at the Gold Cup but I am told that R4 was Clark's winning car in 1963 and that this year will be the first time it has returned.
Regards,
Chris

R5 is the car that Cedric Selzer sold at auction a couple of years ago. It's owner will be having his first race in it following a shakedown at Hethel yesterday. I believe this is the car that Jimmy used to win the non-championship Pau & Imola F1 races in '63. In recent years (1990s) raced by Geoff Farmer amongst others under Cedric's ownership at the first Revival, Coys etc..


#143 Alan Cox

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 11:29

R5 is the car that Cedric Selzer sold at auction a couple of years ago.

http://forums.autosp...php/t93004.html

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 17:41

Great to see so much interest in the (HSCC/MSV) get together. We hope for a good turn out. The BRDC have helped by mailing to an extensive list of drivers. I see Phil is organising the display, getting all of you to contribute! Marcus Pye has volunteered to be the 'compere'. If any of you have direct contact with potential invitees can you ask them to contact our office and they will send them tickets and an invitation to the reception on the Sunday evening.

The HSCC is at;

Historic Sports Car Club
Silverstone Circuit
Towcester
Northants NN12 8TN

01327 858400

office@hscc.org.uk

there is a form which can be used on the 'News' page of www.hscc.org.uk

Chris



I contacted 20 or so drivers & entrants and wondered if you have a list of who's coming to the reception on Sunday evening?

#145 Phil Rainford

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 17:57

Entry list now published:
http://www.hscc.org......0Gold Cup.pdf



A Formula Ford race that has an entry that necessitates the use of reserves……the good old days :)


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#146 Alan Cox

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Posted 22 August 2009 - 15:33

The latest press release from David Addison

Friday 21 August 2009

Clark's Lotus to return to Oulton Park for HSCC Gold Cup

One of the most important Grand Prix cars of the 1960s, the Lotus 25 raced by Jim Clark, will make a return to Oulton Park for the Historic Sports Car Club's Gold Cup meeting over the Bank Holiday weekend of 30/31 August.
The Lotus 25 was one of the most significant cars in Formula 1 development of the 1960s, and was the first such car to feature a monocoque chassis construction. Clark won the 1963 World Championship in chassis R4, taking wins in the Belgian, Dutch, French and British Grands Prix as well as in the non-championship Gold Cup race at Oulton Park. In September 1963, Clark dominated the Gold Cup and recorded the first 100mph lap of the Cheshire track.
Now, after a gap of nearly 46 years, Lotus 25 chassis R4 will return to Oulton Park for the Gold Cup weekend to race in the pair of races for the Historic Grand Prix Car Association. Subject to a final shakedown at the Lotus test track, chassis R4 will race for the first time in nearly 40 years. At the wheel will be Lancastrian former touring car racer Andy Middlehurst, who is a life-long fan of Jim Clark.
The famous Lotus sold for close to US $1 million at auction late last year and is not thought to have raced since 1970. The car has spent most of the intervening years in New Zealand and Australia; it is now owned by Australian John Bowers and is being tended by Classic Team Lotus. "The owner wants to see the car race in Europe," said CTL's Clive Chapman, the son of Lotus founder Colin.

Formula 5000 40th anniversary celebrations

To mark the 40th anniversary of the inaugural British Formula 5000 Championship race, the category is being celebrated at the Oulton Park Gold Cup and a number of former F5000 racers will be on hand to join in the celebrations and meet the fans.
Peter Gethin, Gordon Spice, Teddy Pilette, Robin Darlington, Mike Walker and Alan Rollinson are all expected, with both Gethin and Pilette being double Formula 5000 champions from the heyday of the category in the late 1960s and early 1970s. They will be at the circuit on Sunday and will be based in garage number one, adjacent to race control.
As well as the former drivers, there will be a strong presence of Formula 5000 race cars during the weekend in two races for the HSCC's Historic Formula 5000 and Formula 2 Championship. No less than 14 Formula 5000 monsters are due out this weekend in one of the strongest fields of the season.

Tommy Entwistle – 88 years of age and still racing

One of the most remarkable drivers in action over the Gold Cup weekend will be 88-year old Tommy Entwistle, the oldest driver in Britain to hold an international race licence.
Tommy, who has been racing since the early 1950s, will race his TVR Grantura in the Guards Trophy race on Monday and will be partnered in the two-driver race by Trevor Farrington from Knutsford, who also prepares the TVR for racing.
As well as being an accomplished racing driver, Tommy has an amazing background as he was a Spitfire pilot during the Second World War and was one of the first jet fighter pilots in the RAF. Tommy comes from Bamber Bridge near Preston and, apparently, still goes to the gym every day!

Bumper grids for HSCC Gold Cup

Underlining the status of the Gold Cup as one of the most important historic race meetings on the calendar, the Historic Sports Car Club has attracted a superb entry for the 18-race programme.
Around 400 cars will be in action, with near capacity grids for two races for Formula Junior single-seaters, two races for the Guards Trophy Sports Racing and GT Championship and 30-car grids for both the Classic Formula 3 Championship and Historic Formula Ford 2000 Series. Even the smallest grid of the weekend will include 22 cars.



#147 Ted Walker

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Posted 22 August 2009 - 17:01

Im sure it would be no problem to use at oulton. Its easy to use the Retro track & Air Transporter as a meeting place at Oulton. Its easy to find in the paddock as it has a LARGE spifire on the tailgate and some interesting cars down its sides.

#148 Ted Walker

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Posted 22 August 2009 - 17:03

Dont know what happened there,I only have a small gin & tonic in front of me !!!!!

#149 Rockford

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Posted 23 August 2009 - 11:16

If the weather looks good for next Sunday I plan on a visit to Oulton Park for the Gold Cup - I've never been to Oulton before so would like to know what the best viewing points are, though I'm sure on the day I'll just be taking a general wander everywhere.

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Posted 23 August 2009 - 12:39

I'm sure you will get lots of recommendations from the numerous Oulton afficionados on TNF, Rockford - and high time you filled this yawning gap in your education, if I may say so.

The spectator bank on the inside of The Avenue gives a good view of the entry to Cascades, and over to the return leg from Hill Top down into the Knicker Brook chicane. The outside of Knicker Brook also gives a wide-ranging view over the chicane and up Clay Hill, while Lodge Corner is a popular spot, although the old grandstand in which many TNFers used to spend their adolescent years has long gone. The outside of Deer Leap gives a good view of Lodge exit and you can get pretty close to the track at the top of the Leap. Don't know what the outside of Old Hall is like these days, as it's a long time since I stood there.

Hope the weather is good enough to tempt you over.

Edited by Alan Cox, 23 August 2009 - 13:58.