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  1. Agree (82 votes [12.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.89%

  2. Not Agree (530 votes [83.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 83.33%

  3. No comment (24 votes [3.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.77%

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#251 Muz Bee

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 21:12

:down: :down: :down:

Ridiculous! So the same mob that took the old 9 6 4 3 2 1 points system which gave 2 wins the value of 3 second places and gave us 10 8 6 4 3 2 1 making it harder for a winner to overcome a DNF. Now they have gone the other way and into oblivion. The fans are wondering is the championship worth following.

Egg will be on Bernie and Max even more when some of the implications become apparent. Like a common enough scenario - championship rivals battling for 2nd (or 3rd, 4th whatever). There's little incentive to really fight for the place. There will be little interest in anything other than 1st place for the drivers and no interest in F1 for the public. Max must go. :mad:

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#252 Silver999

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 21:47

I love the new scoring system!!!!

I am sick to death of drivers settling for podium positions half way into the race and the race becoming processional,drivers likes kubica just driving around like its a f**kin test session all for the sake of consistency, no hunger, no passion for the win..I say enough!!!!

I want to see battles and scraps for the lead,I want winners to win and losers to lose,thats how f1 should be,2nd place is nothing and winning is everything. I don't care if the championship ends early as it would have been won by the driver who won instead of collecting points all season and turning in the odd lucked in win.

And please don't give me that response of "what if there is one car that is dominant", that era is over when brawn,stepney,todt and MS went their seperate ways...this season f1 will be even and fun to watch overtaking at the front this time,not some bloody force india's punting each other in some lame attempt at a pass.


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#253 BMW_F1

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 22:05

Originally posted by VresiBerba
Not Kubica either, apparently;

“Many people seem to think that a driver remains in third or fourth because he likes to be there, just to score a lot of points. But believe me, any racing driver will try to pass the one ahead of him if he sees the slightest chance to do so. Drivers always try to win the race.”


by the same token I can find you tons of quotes from recent years where drivers have mentioned that it was not worth risking it and that it was safer to bring the car home in one piece.. thinking about the WDC... (Kimi/Alonso come to mind.)..

#254 Kingstromba

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 22:15

There is too much dead wood in F1. About time for a cull to get some decent talent into the series.

Hamilton has come in and shown that most are a bunch of cruise and collect gravy train losers.

#255 peroa

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 22:29

Originally posted by BMW_F1


by the same token I can find you tons of quotes from recent years where drivers have mentioned that it was not worth risking it and that it was safer to bring the car home in one piece.. thinking about the WDC... (Kimi/Alonso come to mind.)..


:confused: FFS

That`s just crazy talk. I thought we cleared that one, but it seems that some don`t really now what`s going on lately as in last years. It`s the nature of the rules that "prefer" that kind of approach. First and foremost the multiple race engine, gearboxes. In a F1 season you can`t go and look at every race as a single isolated event, the rules prevent that, sorry. It`s not that hard to get, is it? Secondly the points system, which could have been easily fixed (I proposed a nice little point system myself) was/is the other "major" issue. Jebus ...



I really hate to quote myself.

#256 Slartibartfast

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 01:26

Originally posted by Dolph


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I'm not even gonna bother discussing it with you.


Is this an example of the 'denial phase' you mentioned earlier?

#257 pacwest

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 03:13

Originally posted by Slowinfastout
The past year's championship to Massa by giving him the Spa win.. (where he was miles off the pace)

That's showing a lot of respect to the current champion, introducing the controversial sh*te now, like there was a problem of some sort with last year's stuff..

:down:


Correct. The stewards will decide the championship this year. Sadly.

#258 VresiBerba

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 08:11

Originally posted by Dolph


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I'm not even gonna bother discussing it with you.

Riight :rolleyes: Note to self: stop having grown-up discussions with 12-year olds.

#259 VresiBerba

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 08:14

Originally posted by BMW_F1
by the same token I can find you tons of quotes from recent years where drivers have mentioned that it was not worth risking it and that it was safer to bring the car home in one piece.. thinking about the WDC... (Kimi/Alonso come to mind.)..

Fair enough. Let's have them.

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#260 travbrad

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 09:54

NO NO NO.

The system they rejected (12-9-7) is what I would have liked to see, but the 10-8-6 was still a lot better than this nonsense.

#261 angst

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 10:30

Originally posted by Dolph


The FOTA agreed to this. What makes you think they will suddenly see it your way :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: And I can't believe you want F1 to be more about politics than it already is. :eek: :eek: :eek:


WRONG.

FOTA did not agree to this. This is a unilateral decsision taken by Max that has bypassed the teams completely - that's why the likes of di Montezemelo are ranting against it.

The only ones making F1 political are Bernie and Max, trying desperately (despite having f****d the whole thing up) to cling on to power. That's what this is all about. All I'm saying is...FOTA could show them outright where that power lies...

#262 Frans

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 10:39

Good thing they listen to the fans nowadays heh.... :down: :down: :down:

this way they can hoax the title even easier!

#263 Mauseri

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 11:26

Originally posted by Kingstromba
There is too much dead wood in F1. About time for a cull to get some decent talent into the series.

Hamilton has come in and shown that most are a bunch of cruise and collect gravy train losers.

Bla bla bla. It's easy to talk like that about driver who is inconsistent but fast.

#264 Jayne Boniface

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 15:05

The two old geezers saw Lewis didn't stand much of a chance of winning a race so implemented this rule. The bad decisions since Lewis joined F1 have been made because they are decisions that Max and Bernie can get away with. They didn't feel they could get away with the rule they really wanted 'no black guys in F1'.

#265 ensign14

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 15:10

Other than Bernie is on record as saying in about 1989 that what he really needed was a fast German and a black driver.

#266 metz

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 15:48

I enjoyed 1982, a season where the new system would be completely meaningless, since nobody won more than 2 races.

#267 ExRhodesian

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 18:12

:clap:


Well, it looks like the FOTA Group have managed to overcome the FIA.

#268 pkenny

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 20:53

What can we say about the FIA/WMSC. Imagine proposing a rule and voting it in when it is completely in contravention of the rules your body drew up. What do these people do in their day jobs - regulate banks!!!!!

There is still time to not go to the mad system that throws away a lot of important information generated in a race before the start of next year. To have a chance of getting it right someone should do the following;

Ask every person who cares how they would spread out 100 euro to everyone that finishes a F1 race and see what the average for 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc would be, down to whatever place they like. I would say that we would end up with something sensible, which would reward winning and finishing up the field. Moreover I think it would be unlikely that a driver that won less that 2 races of another driver would win the championship (it can always happen but it is about how likely this is).

Here is my preference

1st 34
2nd 22
3rd 16
4th 12
5th 9
6th 7

Yes second is close to first but much further away than today or the FOTA proposal and finishing outside the top 2 really hurts.

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#269 travbrad

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 20:53

Originally posted by micra_k10

Bla bla bla. It's easy to talk like that about driver who is inconsistent but fast.


Also, the championship still ended up being between two drivers who are inconsistent and fast, even with the "consistency" points system. So there really is no logic behind the "gold medal" system at all.

#270 metz

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 21:41

Originally posted by travbrad


Also, the championship still ended up being between two drivers who are inconsistent and fast, even with the "consistency" points system. So there really is no logic behind the "gold medal" system at all.

thats correct, never was

#271 VresiBerba

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Posted 22 March 2009 - 16:18

Originally posted by Dolph
No, its not. Its to avoid the situation that happened last year when the driver with the most number of wins didn't win the WDC.

Originally posted by VresiBerba
Err, no! The idea is to get drivers to overtake instead of collecting safe points. Bernie has made a lot of comments about his idea, and this is all Bernie's idea, and not once did he mention that most wins should be awarded the WDC.

Originally posted by Dolph
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I'm not even gonna bother discussing it with you.

No, of course you won't, because you know you're DEAD WRONG!

"The whole idea was nothing to do with winning the world championship, the idea was to make sure people raced to win in every race, not to be second or third and collect points." - Ecclestone

#272 muramasa

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Posted 22 March 2009 - 16:43

Originally posted by VresiBerba
Ecclestone

what a BS.

we should do our very best to prevent what's written in the article from happening.