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#1 nmansellfan

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 12:16

These days every Grand Prix, major sportscar race and most other top line motorsport event seems to be covered by TV stations live, in their entirety, from lights to flag. If you are a motorsport enthusiast, (even if you detest modern GP racing!) most weekends from March to November there is some usually form of motor racing to watch on television (awaits backlash from non satellite TV subscribers…). I’m fully aware that it was not always like this; although I’ve seen evidence that UK TV stations showed plenty of motor racing right from the late 50’s onwards, until the 80’s for some major events such as a Grand Prix in the Americas or a sportscar race outside of Le Mans, it seems the only way to see it was to be at the track yourself or maybe catch a short snippet of it on the news if there was an accident that was newsworthy.

At the present moment, if you know where to look on the internet, you can get hold of copies of live TV broadcasts of Grand Prix races all the way back to the early sixties, races that I thought a visual record of didn’t even exist (live transmission of the 1963 German GP anyone? Colour highlights of the TV broadcast of the 1972 Austrian GP?). But despite this, there are many races that I’ve never seen a TV broadcast of in any form but would love to see. My personal holy grail would be to have a copy of a TV broadcast of the 1971 Italian GP. On YouTube there is a 2 minute documentary clip in Italian of the race, with brief snippets of live recording from the race. But I would love to see the whole hour and a half slipstreamer develop in front of my eyes, instead of the usual film clip of the finish that is shown whenever the race is mentioned in a documentary. The ‘raw’ feel of video brings more of an atmosphere to a race broadcast I think, as opposed to a film clip.

So what would be your holy grail of TV race broadcasts that you would love to see? Maybe you saw it on television live at the time and haven’t seen it on 30 or 40+ years, thinking the tape was discarded or wiped? Maybe you read about it in a magazine at the time and would like to see how the race unfolded for real? Maybe the race was never broadcasted in the first place. 1966 Indy 500? 1961 Monaco GP? 1971 1000Km of Zeltweg? Tell me what you would love to see.

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#2 fines

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 12:29

June 2, 1957, Langhorne 100 - actually, any Langhorne race would do! :up:

#3 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 12:44

Mille Miglia 1948, Nuvolari on-board camera :cat:

Watching the old TV broadcasts, sometimes even without commentary are a special experience. As if the race is on again and transmitted live. However the older they get, the lower the quality.

My list would be basically all GP's in the 50's.

#4 Gary Davies

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 13:16

Hmm, 1950 TT at Dundrod, 1955 British GP, Mille Miglia, Targa Florio, 1956 Monaco and Italian Grands Prix and Nürburgring 1000 km, 1957 British, Pescara and Italian Grands Prix, 1958 Argentine, Dutch, Portugese and Moroccan Grands Prix, TT and Nürburgring 1000 km, 1959 Portugese and Italian Grands Prix and TT and Nürburgring 1000 km, 1960 Monaco and US Grands Prix (including the after race dinner at Riverside) and Nürburgring 1000 km, 1961 Monaco and German Grands Prix plus the 1961 International Trophy.

'course, the list could be longer but one wouldn't want to be greedy.

Not that I'm one eyed or anything. ;)

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 13:27

Any of the Televised Aurora rounds, but especially the 1979 Oulton Park Gold Cup!

#6 john winfield

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 14:45

ORIG POST MANSELLFAN "..... My personal holy grail would be to have a copy of a TV broadcast of the 1971 Italian GP. On YouTube there is a 2 minute documentary clip in Italian of the race, with brief snippets of live recording from the race. But I would love to see the whole hour and a half slipstreamer develop in front of my eyes, instead of the usual film clip of the finish that is shown whenever the race is mentioned in a documentary. The ‘raw’ feel of video brings more of an atmosphere to a race broadcast I think, as opposed to a film clip.

So what would be your holy grail of TV race broadcasts that you would love to see? Maybe you saw it on television live at the time and haven’t seen it on 30 or 40+ years, thinking the tape was discarded or wiped? Maybe you read about it in a magazine at the time and would like to see how the race unfolded for real? Maybe the race was never broadcasted in the first place. 1966 Indy 500? 1961 Monaco GP? 1971 1000Km of Zeltweg? Tell me what you would love to see. END ORIG POST..


Yes, some extensive coverage of Monza 1971 would be nice but I've only ever seen the clips to which you refer. I remember being really angry when, having covered 1967, 1969 and 1970 (I don't remember 1968) the BBC showed nothing in 1971, the last, very fast slipstreamer. I've got a feeling though that it wasn't their fault - wasn't their some dispute in Italy that resulted in no live television coverage of the event? Maybe some Italian TNFers can remember.

My wish list would include, again from 1971, the Spanish GP at Montjuich and some 1970s F2 from Crystal Palace, Rouen, Mallory and Thruxton. Oh, and a bit of 1970 British F3 at Brands and some mid-1970s Silverstone F Ford. And Mike Hailwood chasing down Emerson at the International Trophy in 1972......

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 14:49

Originally posted by fines
June 2, 1957, Langhorne 100 - actually, any Langhorne race would do! :up:


is there any recording longer than few minutes from any 60s champ car or sprint car race on dirt?

#8 Gary C

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 15:37

1961 Monaco Grand Prix !

#9 Odseybod

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 16:06

The last half-hour of the 1970 Monaco GP would do nicely. You'll believe a Lotus 49C can fly ...

#10 sterling49

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 16:07

1970 Monaco GP, 1969 Le Mans 24 hour closing laps, 1971 Italian GP and at the other end of the scale, the lovely winter point to point time trials featuring the British Army and Land Rovers, Haflingers etc, watched whilst huddled around a real coal fire, nothing digital in sight!

#11 lil'chris

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 16:12

Anything, be it F1, Sports Cars or tourers, from the old Spa

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 16:19

Originally posted by ivandjj


is there any recording longer than few minutes from any 60s champ car or sprint car race on dirt?

I don't know, and I seriously doubt it! What's more, ideally I'd like my Langhorne broadcast to be a full TV production, not a single reel-to-reel from the main grandstand - i.e. three trackside cameras minimum, e.g. start/finish, "Puke Hollow" and end of "backstretch"! :smoking: :up:

#13 RA Historian

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 16:49

Pedro Rodriguez, Porsche 917, in the rain at Brands Hatch, 1970.
Tom

#14 Rosemayer

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 17:08

Heres a bit to wet your appetite Tom





#15 Rob29

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 17:09

Reims 1961-One of the the first great races I recall seeing live-Baghetti v,Bonnier & Gurney.

#16 RTH

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 17:24

Originally posted by sterling49
1970 Monaco GP, 1969 Le Mans 24 hour closing laps, 1971 Italian GP and at the other end of the scale, the lovely winter point to point time trials featuring the British Army and Land Rovers, Haflingers etc, watched whilst huddled around a real coal fire, nothing digital in sight!


Well some of this at least is possible 70 Monaco last few laps is on Murray's magic moments '69 le Mans is on La Ronde Infernale 71 Italian is on Grand prix 500.

But I too well remember the point to point trials with Raymond Baxter but I am not aware the film exists now :

#17 Hieronymus

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 17:47

Le Mans 1978. Is it available on DVD or somewhere?

#18 bigears

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 17:58

THe Holy Grail for me is to have full access to all of the footage that was recorded at the Birmingham Superprix!

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 18:00

Originally posted by Hieronymus
Le Mans 1978. Is it available on DVD or somewhere?

In the UK - not sure about South Africa, but at least this proves it exists. :up:

http://www.amazon.co...D/dp/B001CWLFBS

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#20 Russ Snyder

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 18:07

Sid Collins - I spent many days listening to him call the Indy 500 (when not in attendance) on radio before the race was broadcast live on TV in America. What a treasure he was, always painting the perfect picture on the radio. One of his partners, Freddie Agabashain, had such a homespun way of explainning what was happening and why: "aww, he just got loose in the corner, nothing more than that Sid, he just got loose and hit the outside wall"...that crew ALWAYS made you feel like you at the track....and if Donald Davidson is reading? I always enjoy listening to him on the broadcasts as well.

Jim Mckay - called delayed Indy 500 broadcasts back in the day and did it eloquently and efficiently. One of the best announcer's in American media during his time, he also called the US feeds of most GP races from Europe back in the day. Whom can forget his chilling call on the Ronnie Peterson tragedy @ Monza 1978? When paired with loquacious Jackie Stewart, Mckay would often let Jackie explain what was happening and why.

Paul Page - took over from Sid Collins on the radio calling the Indy 500 after Sid's untimley death in 1977, he always used the right choice of words to describe the action on the track. Ultimately Paul took over the Indy 500 broadcast on ABC from Jim Mckay and did an admirable job filling those huge shoes.

not really a dislike but... Chis Economaki...my god how my Dad used to get so upset during Nascar on CBS when they would throw it to the pits and Chris Economaki "what the hell are they going to him now during green? show the race and save him for yellow" my late Dad would bellow. Dad had a point, because, inevitably a crash/pass/lead change would happen while Economaki was creaming above the din in the pits.

#21 David M. Kane

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 18:17

My vote goes to 1970 Monaco too, never seen anything like it since.

#22 Hieronymus

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 18:24

Originally posted by markpde

In the UK - not sure about South Africa, but at least this proves it exists. :up:

http://www.amazon.co...D/dp/B001CWLFBS


Fantastic, but only available late in 2010!! I shall import, when it is on the shelves.

#23 PeterElleray

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 19:15

Originally posted by Gary C
1961 Monaco Grand Prix !


best start surfing then gary - there's an hour long u.s tv broadcast out there if you detonate the right server,,,

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 19:17

Originally posted by Hieronymus


Fantastic, but only available late in 2010!! I shall import, when it is on the shelves.

Never noticed the date - something to look forward to, then. :)

#25 PeterElleray

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 19:17

Originally posted by David M. Kane
My vote goes to 1970 Monaco too, never seen anything like it since.


likewise, there are 45 minutes of this, including the last few laps, somewhere 'up there'. infinately more accesible however if your native tongue is norwegian...

#26 nmansellfan

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 19:36

Originally posted by David M. Kane
My vote goes to 1970 Monaco too, never seen anything like it since.


Peter is absolutely right David and Odseybod, This is a low quality version but it's a good start...



After about 2 and a half minutes of a scratchy German highlight film and Neville Hay's roundup from the Duke 1970 review, your wish comes true. Complete with Eurovision title card proclaiming the broadcast is from Radio Tele Monte Carlo! IIRC full credit should go to Atlas member nigelred5 for tracking the broadcast down from a Norwegian TV station.

When you see the original on a full screen, only the fact that it's in B&W makes you not believe your actually there, such is the quality!

Now, if only the colour version (which i know is out there, there is a few seconds of it on the BBC doc 'Grand Prix 500') could be tracked down...

Yes he did make the 49C fly Odseybod!

Great comments guys, keep them coming. :)

#27 Doug Nye

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 19:49

1955 Mille Miglia from '722' onboard camera - all of it - plus (especially) 1956 MM from the 350S - plus 1957 (very brief this one) from the 450S.

That should keep us quiet for a while... If only. The opening few hours of Le Mans 1930 onboard Birkin and Caracciola should have been pretty good too.

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#28 WALDO

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 20:10

Originally posted by fines

I don't know, and I seriously doubt it! What's more, ideally I'd like my Langhorne broadcast to be a full TV production, not a single reel-to-reel from the main grandstand - i.e. three trackside cameras minimum, e.g. start/finish, "Puke Hollow" and end of "backstretch"! :smoking: :up:


Actually there is plenty of Wallen film, I have the 1962 races from there.......

Ok, here it is.......
Again I was there in person when this occurred......

What was the first Live, Flag to Flag coverage of a race on the Championship Trail on Network TV????

What Network and Show.....

Who called it and who was the driver color..... Hint, won this race 5 years prior.....

#29 JMH

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 20:13

BBC coverage of the 1979 French GP, in particular the last laps. Says it all really........

JMH

#30 fines

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 20:14

Some race at Trenton, I believe.

#31 Paul Jeffrey

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 21:09

For me the 1968 and 1969 British Grand Prix races I watched as a youngster wishing I was there.

#32 PeterElleray

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 21:20

Originally posted by David M. Kane
What's the link to the '61 Monaco GP footage? Never mind, I found it.


david - its on you tube in about 8 parts if you want to find it quickly.

cheers

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#33 PeterElleray

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 21:21

Originally posted by JMH
BBC coverage of the 1979 French GP, in particular the last laps. Says it all really........

JMH


again.... its there, in english, french, italian, austrian and japanese - take your pick..

#34 LotusElise

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 21:24

There are so many I woul like to see:
Le Mans in 1930 and 1932
More of the Spanish GP at Montjuich (have seen a couple of clips)
Nurburgring 1000km races from the 1960s - any of them
Original Goodwood RAC TT and 9 Hours races - probably available somewhere, but I haven't seen them.
Many, many rally stages from the 50s and 60s.

#35 Paul Jeffrey

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 21:32

I would strongly recommend a visit to www.gismostore.com/f1. You will find France 1979 here amongst others.

#36 PeterElleray

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 21:35

Originally posted by Paul Jeffrey
I would strongly recommend a visit to www.gismostore.com/f1. You will find France 1979 here amongst others.


looks like the 'old bill' got there between you posting and me clicking... error 404..

#37 Paul Jeffrey

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 21:35

Sorry that should be www.gismostore.com/f1 without a fullstop at the end! Reasonanble prices adn excellent service.

#38 Paul Jeffrey

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 21:36

try again and it should work

#39 john winfield

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 21:43

Yes, it does work Paul. Thanks. But before I found the F1 info. I clicked on the other gismostore link and found loads of interesting goodies, chiefly involving breast enhancement. No Montjuich, no Spa but some spectacular bodywork nevertheless......

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#40 Tim Murray

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 22:18

Originally posted by john winfield
... some spectacular bodywork nevertheless......

So would these be classed as fakes, replicas or (a term I saw often at Stoneleigh) 'evocations'? :drunk:

#41 Allan Lupton

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Posted 18 March 2009 - 22:58

1962 French GP at Rouen - I was there, so saw everything that happened near were I was standing (Virage Samson IIRC) and nothing that happened anywhere else - and boy, did it happen!
Plus 1962 Solitude for much the same reasons (though less dramatic).
Consecutive weekends or thereabouts and both won by Dan Gurney in a Porsche - and the only Formula 1 races Porsche has won as a manufacturer so far!

#42 Paul Taylor

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 00:25

Originally posted by JMH
BBC coverage of the 1979 French GP, in particular the last laps. Says it all really........

JMH


The last 10 minutes of the race as shown in the original 1979 BBC highlights, from lap 75 onwards, with Murray's commentary:


Or the last 10 minutes of Austria's ORF broadcast, mit Deutsch commentary:


#43 Vitesse2

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 00:39

Originally posted by Doug Nye
The opening few hours of Le Mans 1930 onboard Birkin and Caracciola should have been pretty good too.

DCN

On board with Nuvolari, 1933 TT practice? One experimental lap - then right on the pace ...

Swiss GP 1939. For all sorts of reasons ;)

#44 chrisj

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 02:31

I'd like the '76 Dutch Grand Prix (sentimental favorite of mine) with audio commentary from James, and the 1914 French GP (in color).

(Great idea for a thread, BTW.)

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 07:28

Originally posted by chrisj
... and the 1914 French GP (in color).

Hey, that was before the invention of colour! Back then, life was black and white...

#46 Allan Lupton

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 08:37

Originally posted by fines
Hey, that was before the invention of colour! Back then, life was black and white...


OT but the Lumiére brothers' Autochrome was well established for still photography by 1914. Some was taken to Antarctica by Ponting on Scott's expedition in 1910 with excellent results

#47 Mallory Dan

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 13:00

Originally posted by Auroraf1
Any of the Televised Aurora rounds, but especially the 1979 Oulton Park Gold Cup!


Agreed Phil, but for me, the Mallory races in 78 and 79, all 4 v entertaining.

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 13:33

French Grand Prix, 1953, 54, 58. (All years really, at Rouen and Rheims)
German Grand Prix 1957
Italian Grand Prix 1967
Argentine GP 1971 - to see you know who on the top of the podium, albeit not collecting any points :
Any race at Monza featuring the banking...

Rob :wave:

#49 WALDO

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 17:40

Originally posted by fines Some race at Trenton, I believe.


Actually if you had read the 1968 Thread you would find the answer......

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 19:13

I really can't be bothered...