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#1 Matt Somers

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 09:59

Where and when will this info be available? Looked around the FIA website but nothing yet

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#2 wingwalker

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 10:02

Renault press release says tomorrow. At least someone said it here.

#3 peroa

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 10:03

I`d rather see they didn`t at all.

#4 Matt Somers

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 10:04

I don't like the idea that everyone knows weights etc but if the info is there i will gladly look at it.... :up:

#5 Timstr11

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 10:12

Originally posted by peroa
I`d rather see they didn`t at all.

I agree. Taking away the surprise of who's pitting first. They think they're pleasing the fans with this, but they're not.

#6 wingwalker

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 10:15

If they want to make us know who is really the quickest they could simply let the cars run on fumes in Q3 and then fuel them up to declared (after Q2) levels, which would not be public. But that's just too simple for people who came up with brilliant idea of quali when cars had to go in circles clocking meaningless times to burn fuel so they could be later given the fuel back.

#7 Odvan

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 10:21

Media
The FIA will publish the weights of all cars after qualifying at each Event.


Yea - it senseless publish it half an hour before race.

FIA and FOM seems antonyms to word "logic".

#8 muelte

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 10:27

Another nonsense from FIA: if, for example, P2 driver knows he has 2-3 more laps fuel than P1 car, why fight for position at start? Just keep the pace & wait to pitstop.

#9 HMV

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 10:38

Originally posted by muelte
Another nonsense from FIA: if, for example, P2 driver knows he has 2-3 more laps fuel than P1 car, why fight for position at start? Just keep the pace & wait to pitstop.


I though the teams can already guess the fuel loadouts in other cars pretty accurately?

#10 undersquare

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 10:42

Originally posted by HMV


I though the teams can already guess the fuel loadouts in other cars pretty accurately?


FOTA introduced it as a cost-cutting measure, it saves them bringing a spotter each. The only people who didn't know were the fans.

But we need to know NOW so we can argue about fuel-corrected grid positions, please. There are 18 hours to fill before the race...

#11 Gareth

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 10:45

I'm glad we're getting this info, although I'd probably prefer it after the Event than after Qualy.

#12 Odvan

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:16

I think a little bit - maybe they don't publish weight because car from 11 till 20 don't know how much fuel they will have on board? In that's case shame on me. :blush:

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:17

The rules say that the weights must be given to the FIA by 2 hours after qually (in the sporting regs), and they're then published.

So far I've been told:

JB 664.5
RB 666.5
SV 657.0
RK 650.0
NR 657.0

(all in kg)

That makes Brawn's performance even more impressive and suggests they're about a second a lap quicker than the field. Expect to see most cars lapped tomorrow if it all goes to plan...

#14 wingwalker

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:18

Originally posted by bradleyl
The rules say that the weights must be given to the FIA by 2 hours after qually (in the sporting regs), and they're then published.

So far I've been told:

JB 664.5
RB 666.5
SV 657.0
RK 650.0
NR 657.0

(all in kg)

That makes Brawn's performance even more impressive and suggests they're about a second a lap quicker than the field. Expect to see most cars lapped tomorrow if it all goes to plan...



Holy f*****g s**t. It's gonna look like 1998!

#15 Matt Somers

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:19

Fantastic if thats the case as it make us look even better.

#16 bradleyl

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:19

Or 2004...

#17 Szoelloe

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:19

Originally posted by bradleyl
The rules say that the weights must be given to the FIA by 2 hours after qually (in the sporting regs), and they're then published.

So far I've been told:

JB 664.5
RB 666.5
SV 657.0
RK 650.0
NR 657.0

(all in kg)

That makes Brawn's performance even more impressive and suggests they're about a second a lap quicker than the field. Expect to see most cars lapped tomorrow if it all goes to plan...

:eek:

#18 bankoq

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:23

Link to FIA?

#19 Peter Perfect

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:23

grandprix.com has these weights

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#20 Urawa

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:24

Brawn will rape the field tomorrow

#21 F.M.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:29

Originally posted by Peter Perfect
grandprix.com has these weights

that stupid page won't load...

can someone post them all?

#22 Darth Sidious

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:30

Glock outqualified Trulli carrying an extra 10 kilos?
!!

:eek:


http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/74011

#23 D.M.N.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:30

Pos. Driver				  Car weight

 1.  Jenson Button		   664.5kg

 2.  Rubens Barrichello	  666.5kg

 3.  Sebastien Vettel		657kg

 4.  Robert Kubica		   650kg

 5.  Nico Rosberg			657kg

 6.  Felipe Massa			654kg

 7.  Kimi Raikkonen		  655.5kg

 8.  Mark Webber			 662kg

 9.  Nick Heidfeld		   691.5kg

10.  Fernando Alonso		 680.7kg

11.  Kazuki Nakajima		 680.5kg

12.  Heikki Kovalainen	   690.6kg

13.  Sebastien Buemi		 675.5kg

14.  Nelson Piquet		   694.1kg

15.  Giancarlo Fisichella	689kg

16.  Adrian Sutil			684.5kg

17.  Sebastien Bourdais	  662.5kg

18.  Lewis Hamilton		  655kg

19.  Jarno Trulli			660kg

20.  Timo Glock			  670kg


#24 F.M.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:30

Nakajima 612 kg? that 7 kg of fuel right? :confused:

#25 Matt Somers

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:30

Pos. Driver Car weight
1. Jenson Button 664.5kg
2. Rubens Barrichello 666.5kg
3. Sebastien Vettel 657kg
4. Robert Kubica 650kg
5. Nico Rosberg 657kg
6. Felipe Massa 654kg
7. Kimi Raikkonen 655.5kg
8. Mark Webber 662kg
9. Nick Heidfeld 691.5kg
10. Fernando Alonso 680.7kg
11. Kazuki Nakajima 680.5kg
12. Heikki Kovalainen 690.6kg
13. Sebastien Buemi 675.5kg
14. Nelson Piquet 694.1kg
15. Giancarlo Fisichella 689kg
16. Adrian Sutil 684.5kg
17. Sebastien Bourdais 662.5kg
18. Lewis Hamilton 655kg
19. Jarno Trulli 660kg
20. Timo Glock 670kg

Taken from autosport ;)

#26 barteks

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:31

According to my calculations, Brawn GP has some 0,9 s advantage per lap over RBR with the same fuel load and some 1,0 second over BMW Sauber :eek:

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:33

Shame for Glock, should have been an easy podium for him. Hamilton's gone for a racy strategy too to make up ground early on. And none of the guys behind Heidfeld can afford to get stuck there either, can they? It'll be race ruined if they do - and he can use his KERS to defend... should be fascinating!

#28 wingwalker

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:33

Fisi, Heidfeld, Heikki and probably Sutil on one stoppers...? That's risky, given the fact how fast the softer compounds starts to go to crap.


edit: Brown GP officially on another planet.

#29 F.M.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:34

Originally posted by wingwalker
Fisi, Heidfeld, Heikki and probably Sutil on one stoppers...? That's risky, given the fact how fast the softer compounds starts to go to crap.


edit: Brown GP officially on another planet.

You forget Piquet, he's the heaviest of all

#30 klyster

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:35

Originally posted by Urawa
Brawn will rape the field tomorrow


Lets hope his cars do well too.....

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:35

Barrichello will win tomorrow.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:35

Originally posted by klyster


Lets hope his cars do well too.....


:rotfl:

#33 wingwalker

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:36

Originally posted by klyster


Lets hope his cars do well too.....


:rotfl:


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#34 Ferrim

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:36

I'd thought the teams from 11th to 20th could choose whatever strategy they wanted to be in, in Sunday morning... I guess they also have to declare their fuel load immediately after Q2, now.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:36

Originally posted by Peter Perfect
grandprix.com has these weights

These are just car weights and not car+driver weights, right? That would explain the difference in weights of cars of teammates..

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:36

Lewis and Toyotas could decide to alter theres though, right?

#37 HMV

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:36

Damn, I was hoping for a closer front. It was going to be a great season and Brawn came up and spoiled it all...

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:36

Kubica running on fumes? :eek:

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:37

To make more sense of the weight, the Toyota guys should be put in the list at the place where they originally qualifying (before DQ) because thats the weight they thought they wanted to run with.

1. Jenson Button 664.5kg
2. Rubens Barrichello 666.5kg
3. Sebastien Vettel 657kg
4. Robert Kubica 650kg
5. Nico Rosberg 657kg
20. Timo Glock 670kg
6. Felipe Massa 654kg
19. Jarno Trulli 660kg
7. Kimi Raikkonen 655.5kg
8. Mark Webber 662kg

Impressive run from Glock, and those Brawn guys are not light.
Kimi might as well have put another lap or two of fuel in, given where he is.

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#40 Matt Somers

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:37

Originally posted by postajegenye
Barrichello will win tomorrow.


Jenson or Rubens and William Hill will be paying out to me :) Jenson 16/1 and Rubens 40/1 glad I took those bets before the testing ;) Had a great feeling about this season!

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:38

Originally posted by D.M.N.
Kubica running on fumes? :eek:


He's got ~45 kg of fuel.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:38

Originally posted by D.M.N.
Kubica running on fumes? :eek:



3-4 laps lighter than Vettel. BMW is nowhere near where they wanted to be.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:39

So all the cars had to publish fuel loads and not just the top 10 then?

When did for Heidfeld for example have to announce his fuel load? Last year he would have been able to wait till Sunday and see what the weather is like then make a choice. Now it looks like he has to decide before qualy qualy.

This also means that teams must have to choose a fuel load before knowing if they will reach Q3 or not. It looks like Nakajima was going light in the hope of getting pole (or front row) but because he made a mistake he will now start 13th on low fuel which completely rules him out of any realistic hope for points!

Another example is Lewis will now start 18th (Toyota 19/20) with 655kg and Heikki will start 12th with 690kg. I must say I’m a little confused !

On the plus side I suppose it means Lewis and Nakajima will be able to pick there way through the field and overtake a few cars.

#44 wingwalker

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:39

Great effort by Glock, shame about the wings.

#45 HMV

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:42

Originally posted by wingwalker



3-4 laps lighter than Vettel. BMW is nowhere near where they wanted to be.


Erm, 7kg of fuel really mean 3-4 laps in Melbourne?

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:43

Originally posted by HMV


Erm, 7kg of fuel really mean 3-4 laps in Melbourne?


Just wanted to ask, how much fuel means 1 lap in Melbourne?

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:44

Originally posted by SpaMaster

These are just car weights and not car+driver weights, right? That would explain the difference in weights of cars of teammates..

you are right
so the whole weight is insignificant now!
we need to know each drivers' weight and add it up :drunk: ):

#48 wati

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:45

I'd say around 3 kilos. But I might be wrong.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:52

Originally posted by sreevishnu

you are right
so the whole weight is insignificant now!
we need to know each drivers' weight and add it up :drunk: ):


Why is the weight insignificant? We know team-mates cars weigh the same, so any difference must be fuel, surely?

The driver's weight is only important if you want to know how a driver did in comparison with his team-mate, a la Kubica/Heidfeld. These weights give a clear indication of how much further than his team-mate a driver will run to the first stops, and if the cars are all at or near the minimum weight then it shows how much further he will go in relation to those around him on the grid.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:54

Originally posted by F1Fund
So all the cars had to publish fuel loads and not just the top 10 then?

When did for Heidfeld for example have to announce his fuel load? Last year he would have been able to wait till Sunday and see what the weather is like then make a choice. Now it looks like he has to decide before qualy qualy.

This also means that teams must have to choose a fuel load before knowing if they will reach Q3 or not. It looks like Nakajima was going light in the hope of getting pole (or front row) but because he made a mistake he will now start 13th on low fuel which completely rules him out of any realistic hope for points!

Another example is Lewis will now start 18th (Toyota 19/20) with 655kg and Heikki will start 12th with 690kg. I must say I’m a little confused !

On the plus side I suppose it means Lewis and Nakajima will be able to pick there way through the field and overtake a few cars.



The FIA published Nakajima's wieght incorrectly. It should be 680.5 as per the Autosport clarification which makes more sense now. Still strange that Lewis has gone for less than the others.