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#1 squidbreath

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 02:34

Honda built the team and is apparently paying alot of the costs this year but Brawn gets all the credit.

Bummer.

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#2 Kooper

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 03:58

Something like this David Hobbs into



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#3 scheivlak

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 07:20

http://forums.autosp...highlight=Honda

http://forums.autosp...highlight=Honda

http://forums.autosp...highlight=Honda

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#4 netfetter

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 09:46

Just shows you what a decent engine in their car makes, how long before Toyota follow Honda out and then see success for whoever takes them over?

#5 djellison

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 09:55

What's the Japanese for

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#6 Clatter

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 10:33

Originally posted by netfetter
Just shows you what a decent engine in their car makes, how long before Toyota follow Honda out and then see success for whoever takes them over?


No, it shows what building a decent chassis does for you.

#7 Bernd Rosemeyer

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 16:22

Honda must think that Mercedes builds better engines than Honda. :rotfl:

#8 dgduris

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 17:39

What does Honda think?!

Hell, what does di Montezemolo think?

He had a standing and quite successful relationship w/Ross and could have had Ross leading the team.

Honda - in this most recent iteration - didn't get it anyway. It is Ferrari who let the genius get away in the first place and are the big losers here.

#9 giacomo

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 17:40

Originally posted by Bernd Rosemeyer
Honda must think that Mercedes builds better engines than Honda. :rotfl:

You beat me to that. :up:

#10 ExcessIsBest

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 00:28

The Japanese should realize that people are not interchangeable units. You can't just change personnel every several months and expect excellence. The bee-hive mentality of Japanese industry creates competent, reliable, econo-boxes, but not excellent automobiles... likewise, race cars.

#11 RiDE

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 00:43

It would be interesting to see who you guys will point the finger at if the BGP002 is slow. Some of you guys seem to think the Mercedes motor is God's gift to mankind. Maybe you're right, since Force India was right up there with Brawn lapping the fiel........ oh wait. :cat:

#12 Newskiller

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 01:11

Honda Congratulate BrawnGP

#13 Menace

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 01:28

Originally posted by dgduris
What does Honda think?!

Hell, what does di Montezemolo think?

He had a standing and quite successful relationship w/Ross and could have had Ross leading the team.

Honda - in this most recent iteration - didn't get it anyway. It is Ferrari who let the genius get away in the first place and are the big losers here.


I hate to say it, but I think your right. :

#14 ascoli

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 01:43

Originally posted by dgduris
What does Honda think?!

Hell, what does di Montezemolo think?

He had a standing and quite successful relationship w/Ross and could have had Ross leading the team.

Honda - in this most recent iteration - didn't get it anyway. It is Ferrari who let the genius get away in the first place and are the big losers here.


I think he's pretty happy actually, imagine if Brawn chose Ferrari engines rather than Merc.
Ferrari being beaten by its own engines would have been a disaster.

We don't know if Ferrari "let him go".
RB is not a designer.
Brawn GP had 18 months to design this car.

Honda are the only loosers here.

#15 boyRacer

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 01:49

Originally posted by ascoli

Brawn GP had 18 months to design this car.

Honda are the only loosers here.


I didn't know Brawn GP existed last year. :lol:

"Looser" :rotfl:

#16 J2NH

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 02:22

Originally posted by dgduris
What does Honda think?!

Hell, what does di Montezemolo think?

He had a standing and quite successful relationship w/Ross and could have had Ross leading the team.

Honda - in this most recent iteration - didn't get it anyway. It is Ferrari who let the genius get away in the first place and are the big losers here.


I had the sense at the time that di Montezemolo was looking for Italian management at Ferrari.

#17 themark

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 02:56

Originally posted by ExcessIsBest
...The bee-hive mentality of Japanese industry creates competent, reliable, econo-boxes, but not excellent automobiles...


You live in Detroit...right? And I bet... never been to Japan, let alone a Japanese factory
Those competent, reliable, econo-boxes, are excellent automobiles
That's why so many people bought them

#18 Direct Drive

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 03:03

Seppuku in the board room?

#19 fuzz

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 03:56

I think (therefore only my opinion and not fact before people kneejerk response!) regardless what Honda motorsport people are feeling right now (gutted I think is an understatement) the bigger picture for the Honda group was that they were/are up the brown river without a decent propulsion system. Sure there is a certain degree of loss of face from exiting when they did but I could guess that it would be a hell of a lot worse than if the company had folded altogether as result of staying in the sport. If I was Honda Motorsport I would feel at least a little bit proud that the fruits of my labour over the last 16 months have produced a potential championship winning car...not a bad swan song really.

Tough times means tough decisions which some work and some don't. In this case they may have made the wrong call but then of course we ain't on the board of directors in Honda and so don't know the whole story.

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#20 Mr Carnteen

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 03:59

Even though Button appears to be an okay driver, his team mate "the buttocks" isn't, so they thought that existing made sense as they can't win the WCC with "The buttocks" holding them back....he's slow and definately accident prone.

#21 Chui

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 14:19

Originally posted by djellison
What's the Japanese for

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Absolutely. It's the ultimate backhanded compliment. I guess I can now forget about a near Japanese-spec Civic Type R being brought to the USA now...

#22 911

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 22:18

I know it probably wasn't a popular decision by Honda, and it may be one that they could be regretting after Brawn's debut last weekend, but I believe they made the correct and responsible choice:

http://www.forbes.co.../ap6243010.html