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#1 naboo81

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 14:54

I was thinking that maybe Ross missed a trick with bruno Senna.

Imagine if he had signed him and Senna had won the race in Melbourne.

The Brawn car is looking so good that even button is being touted for the WDC

Senna could have possibly been WC in his first year.

What a story that would have been.

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#2 Ramses1348

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 14:55

my guess is that rookie Senna with no testing would have been trashed by Button. What a story that would have been... :o

#3 Szoelloe

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 15:01

No, he would have missed the trick by signing Senna. The "even Button" part is not in line with reality. I would rather say "even" Barrichello would have been better than BS.

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#4 aditya-now

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 15:06

Ross should have signed Bruno, definitely. It would have added immensely to the already enormous Brawn saga.
And it would have helped attracting sponsors.

Then again, it would have been a pity for Rubens, and now, as things stand, we might see some more of his idiotic podiums dances, if and when he wins further GPs.

#5 Szoelloe

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 15:08

Better prepare the hankies. It's going to be heartbreaking.

#6 Dalek Caan

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 15:35

Never been impressed with Senna. How old is he? 26? Hulkenburg and Grosjean are the future stars of GP2 that could make it in F1, and maybe that New Zealander Hartley geezer from Toro Roso. There's no-one else that stands out for me. I think Vettel and Hamilton have the future all to themselves, which I have no problem with! :up:

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 15:40

Senna isn't in F1 because he's not good enough. Even the temptation of money didn't convince Brawn to give him a chance. He's too old, he started to late, his form in other series isn't great and there are a lot more talented drivers around than he who are a lot younger to boot.

#8 AyePirate

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 15:42

Bruno isn't Senna get over it people.

#9 Barramut

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 15:45

Originally posted by AyePirate
Bruno isn't Senna get over it people.

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 15:46

personally i dont rate him too highly either, and button may have thrashed him...

but i do think the brawn car is that good. and all it would have taken was a couple of bad races by jenson and a good season by Bruno and bam you would have the biggest story in F1 ever.

Bernie would have creamed himself to death.

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 15:48

Originally posted by aditya-now
Ross should have signed Bruno, definitely. It would have added immensely to the already enormous Brawn saga.
And it would have helped attracting sponsors.

Then again, it would have been a pity for Rubens, and now, as things stand, we might see some more of his idiotic podiums dances, if and when he wins further GPs.


I still fail to understand why people think the sponsors will flock just because he is called Senna.

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 15:51

Originally posted by AyePirate
Bruno isn't Senna get over it people.

Actually, he is.

#13 ForeverF1

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 15:54

Originally posted by Jackman
Actually, he is.


He has adopted the name of Senna as is customary in Brazil, but he is not Senna.

#14 naboo81

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 15:55

Originally posted by Jackman
Actually, he is.


and thats why he would get the sponsorship.

The senna name is massive and if he wona f1 race, which he probably could do in a Brawn as im sure anyone else in f1 could. Then it would be immense in South America.

#15 RoutariEnjinu

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 15:56

Piquet Jr seems to be doing well off his name.

Imagine if he was called Pedro D'Orangé or something.

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 16:01

humm,,, bruno, I am not too sure if Branw GP has aspace to consider another driver forcoming years,.. Brawn seems to apreciate Rubens form his Ferrari days and performance of Rubens has appearently upped. It is more likely that Fry would want to catch Bruno, but that will be more for his money rather than his race paces.... WOuld Bruno like the situation wher he appearently has to play the second to Button, is not my capacities... :|

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 16:21

That's so sad. :cry:

People used to call Ferrari's dream team of Todt, Byrne, Brawn, Martinelli, Tombazis and Schumy, always excluding Rubens.
People are doing it again. Like it or not, Rubens helped to develop the car as is. Ross inherited Jenson's contract from Honda, Rubens was Brawns personal choice. :wave:

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 16:25

If you see how well Rubens is doing then there are no regrets about not having taken on Senna. Barrichello is (arguably) the most experienced guy on the grid, he's still fast and he's been with the team for some time now: in short the man that was needed by Brawn GP given the situation they were/are in.

Anyway, Senna has a future ahead of him still and isn't unlikely to end up with Brawn GP in the (near) future (2009 ?)...

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 16:26

Originally posted by ForeverF1
He has adopted the name of Senna as is customary in Brazil, but he is not Senna.

I've seen his passport: he's a Senna.

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 16:31

Originally posted by Barramut
That's so sad. :cry:

People used to call Ferrari's dream team of Todt, Byrne, Brawn, Martinelli, Tombazis and Schumy, always excluding Rubens.
People are doing it again. Like it or not, Rubens helped to develop the car as is. Ross inherited Jenson's contract from Honda, Rubens was Brawns personal choice. :wave:


??

Personal Choice? He inherited Barrichello just the same way. It is very simple: continuity and routine was way more important than any new driver, not to speak of a rookie.

#21 ForeverF1

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 16:32

Bruno Senna Lalli (born October 15, 1983 in São Paulo) is a Brazilian racecar driver and the nephew of late three-time Formula One world champion Ayrton Senna. His mother is Ayrton's sister, Viviane. His father died in a motorcycle crash in 1995.

#22 Rieley

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 16:40

Ross said in an interview (i'll see if I can find the link) that they were looking into Bruno. However with his lack of Formula 1 experience and Brawn GP's situation with lack of testing he wasn't confortable bring someone into F1 with only a few days at Spain under his belt.

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 16:45

Originally posted by Szoelloe


??

Personal Choice? He inherited Barrichello just the same way. It is very simple: continuity and routine was way more important than any new driver, not to speak of a rookie.

No, Rubens' contract has expired last year.
This is a new one based on points.
Rubens is Brawns choice.

#24 Barramut

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 16:45

Originally posted by Jackman
I've seen his passport: he's a Senna.

I've seen his face: he's a Senna.

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 17:11

Originally posted by Apollonius
Senna isn't in F1 because he's not good enough. Even the temptation of money didn't convince Brawn to give him a chance. He's too old, he started to late, his form in other series isn't great and there are a lot more talented drivers around than he who are a lot younger to boot.


I don't think he's too old or started his career too late. After all, Graham Hill only learnt to drive a car in 1953 and was in F1 by 1958 and won his first WDC in 1962.

I'd say Senna would be able to make the grade in F1. Buemi hasn't had a stellar career, but had a good debut at the Australian GP. IMHO I'd rate Senna a better driver than Buemi. I'm sure if Senna got the Toro Rosso seat (and the same amount of testing) he'd at least would have matched Buemi's efforts. However, I don't think he would have won the race had he got the Brawn drive and in fact would have had a very difficult debut with the near zero testing he would of got.

Of the course of the season (despite his novice mistakes in the opening of the Australian GP) Rubens will be a better bet, thanks to his experience and the limited testing mileage available during the season.

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 17:17

Originally posted by naboo81

Imagine if .....


Brawn could not afford to gamble on a rookie. They didn't have the time to get someone up to speed with the car, the circuits, or the team. Brawn did a very VERY sensible thing in opting to retain his exceptionally experienced drivers.

Imagine if... Bruno had binned it because of inexperience. What a story THAT would have been. And what a lost opportunity.

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 17:24

For the situation the team is in, it would be totally irresponsible to experiment with a rookie.

With Button and Barrichello they were able to hit the ground running, instead of nursing a rookie who has not turned a wheel in F1 and who has only one F1 test day on his CV.

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 17:58

Originally posted by Barramut

No, Rubens' contract has expired last year.
This is a new one based on points.
Rubens is Brawns choice.


And they freed Button from his contract.

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 18:51

Originally posted by naboo81


The Brawn car is looking so good that even button is being touted for the WDC


Maybe thats because jenson is a top 4 driver, in no particular order.
But hey, this is nothing other than a troll like post.

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 19:37

So who exactly else is in your top 4 there.

Hamilton, Raikkonen, Kubica, Vettel and Alonso are all better than Button.

It is not a troll post. It was merely a look at what might have been. We all know the car is the star in F1.

Bruno Senna probably is midfield, but in a car that was half a second better than the rest of the field, he had some chance of winning the WC and the point of my original post was to illustrate how much of a story that would have been.

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 19:47

I would have thought that potential sponsors would need to see good results almost instantly given the current financial dramas. So employing a rookie regardless of name is pretty risky. Not a choice Ross would want to take I would imagine.

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 19:53

Originally posted by naboo81
So who exactly else is in your top 4 there.

Hamilton, Raikkonen, Kubica, Vettel and Alonso are all better than Button.

It is not a troll post. It was merely a look at what might have been. We all know the car is the star in F1.

Bruno Senna probably is midfield, but in a car that was half a second better than the rest of the field, he had some chance of winning the WC and the point of my original post was to illustrate how much of a story that would have been.


Replace the two inexperianced drivers in vettel and kubica and replace raikkonen with massa and jenson.
There my top 4 in the current lineup.

The only contentious one would be the choice between raik and massa, but i feel massa is a slow burner, and he is getting better and better and has overtaken raik.

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 20:01

sorry but a name means nothing-Piquet Jr hasn't been anything special despite his dad being good, i doubt its brought major sponsorship benefits to Renault (not convinced bruno would either) no testing, no titles, major rule changes, massive pressure in a front of the grid car-Button would likely wipe the floor with him in my opinion

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 20:01

Originally posted by naboo81
So who exactly else is in your top 4 there.

Hamilton, Raikkonen, Kubica, Vettel and Alonso are all better than Button.


I don't know how you can say that definitively. Alonso is a 2xWDC, so I can understand that one. Hamilton has been impressive in his two seasons in the best (or tied for the best) car, but it's tough to compare the two. Kubica? Last year he was excellent, but not more so than Button in 2004 or 2006. Vettel? A bit early on that call - the kid is a major talent but we still haven't seen enough. And Raikkonen was less than impressive last year (and so far this year). Would Button have been better in last year's Ferrari than Kimi? It's certainly possible.

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 20:14

His father died in a motorcycle crash in 1995. Szoelloe quote:



Oh. I missed that one....

#36 AyePirate

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 20:18

Originally posted by Jackman
Actually, he is.


I had italicized the word Senna to emphasize the great over the competent nephew.

#37 Jackman

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 20:37

Yeah, but you should have said Bruno isn't Ayrton to seperate yourself from all the folks who reckon Senna isn't his name. Which, clearly, it is.

#38 Szoelloe

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 20:42

Originally posted by Slumberer


Oh. I missed that one....


I didnT quote that!??

#39 DLaw

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 21:00

Well, It has been proven time and again that Ross is smarter than most of us, or at least me.


So, what is the issue here?

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 21:09

Originally posted by AyePirate
Bruno isn't Senna get over it people.


Depends on how negative you choose to be doesn't it and trust me there are plenty of negative people sat hiding behind their PC's writing on forums, all I care about is his pace which looks very good indeed and things like Ross Brawn(who also knows a little bit more than these negative forum trolls) saying that he was hugely impressed with him in his test. Sounds like he showed enough TO THE EXPERTS to get the drive but because of the need to consolidate the outfit as much as possible he had to choose Rubens for the sake of him being a known quantity.

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 21:10

They would have been 1-2 second slower if they had Senna in the car. That would have kept them off the podium, and possibly, the points.

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 21:59

Just for the record, Bruno is as Senna as Ayrton was. Senna is the surname of Ayrton's mother, as well as of Bruno's mother, because in Brazil (and Portugal) people's first surname is that of the mother. So Bruno is called Senna Lalli, and not Lalli Senna.

What makes things confusing is that, in spite of this, people are usually known by their father's surname, even if it is the later. Ayrton was known as Ayrton da Silva until he chose to go by Ayrton Senna; Bruno has every right to do the same, if he wishes to.

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 00:01

Originally posted by Barramut

I've seen his face: he's a Senna.


I think the point is that he is "a" Senna, but he is not and never will be "Senna". Same way Ralf is "a" Schumacher.

Sorry Ralf, if by some weird twist of fate you read this, but hey, your wifes hot, you have a kid, sh!t loads of money and you got to drive in F1. Effing sweet dude!

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 07:12

As much as I would've liked to see Bruno race, after last Sunday's race, I said to my wife that Brawn had made the right choice signing R.G. Barrichello for 2009 in stead of B. Senna Lalli. The former managed 4th after a bad start, which got him into 2nd afer the Vettel-Kubica tangle, while I reckon the latter would not have recuperated from his bad start as much as the ultra-experienced Barrichello has.

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 07:15

Originally posted by lustigson
As much as I would've liked to see Bruno race, after last Sunday's race, I said to my wife that Brawn had made the right choice signing R.G. Barrichello for 2009 in stead of B. Senna Lalli. The former managed 4th after a bad start, which got him into 2nd afer the Vettel-Kubica tangle, while I reckon the latter would not have recuperated from his bad start as much as the ultra-experienced Barrichello has.


Yes, I agree.

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 07:17

Well maybe Bruno wouldn't have fumbled the start to begin with.. And with all the incidents he caused/ was involved in Rhubarb was fortunate to finish where he did.

While I understood the logic of going with Rhubarb, I must admit to being very disappointed they didn't take Senna.