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#1 Ruud de la Rosa

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 10:54

I've seen some loose comments on which car will perform well in the rain.
Let's gather that information here.

According to some toyota has set some good times during pre-season testing in the wet. whereas Brawn haven't run at all in the wet.
With grooved tyres the weight distribution has to be more rearward compared to the slicks. This is an advantage to the heavy rear kers users, but will they be able to benefit from their power boosts?


what do you think?

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#2 Nukle

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 10:56

Brawn GP, I think its traction is the best by far.

#3 Mr Carnteen

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 10:57

I can't imagine KERS will ever be used in the wet as it would break traction.
I happen to be a fantasic wet weather driver myself, and I know that extra power is useless.

#4 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 10:58

Anywhere they can use full throttle, they can use KERS.

#5 Francesc

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 10:58

Toyota TF109

#6 Mr Carnteen

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 11:04

Full throttle can't be used on a road car in the wet.

#7 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 11:05

Sure it can, even more so than a race car.

#8 ATM_Andy

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 11:06

Originally posted by Mr Carnteen
Full throttle can't be used on a road car in the wet.


I do.

#9 Mr Carnteen

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 11:07

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Sure it can, even more so than a race car.


That's the point{kind of}.....as long as it's wet, F1 drivers won't use Kers.

#10 Mr Carnteen

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 11:07

Originally posted by ATM_Andy


I do.


I don't own a Toyota Yaris.

#11 ATM_Andy

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 11:09

Originally posted by Mr Carnteen


I don't own a Toyota Yaris.


Neither do I?

#12 ATM_Andy

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 11:10

Originally posted by Mr Carnteen


That's the point{kind of}.....as long as it's wet, F1 drivers won't use Kers.


Yes they will.

#13 Mr Carnteen

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 11:11

Originally posted by ATM_Andy


Yes they will.


I doubt they'll bother.......only Hamo and Alonso could get away with it as they're so late on the brakes.

#14 Dalek Caan

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 11:20

Which car is fastest in the wet? The one Alonso drives. :smoking:

#15 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 11:20

Originally posted by Mr Carnteen


I doubt they'll bother.......only Hamo and Alonso could get away with it as they're so late on the brakes.


Thus delaying their throttle application due to higher entry speed. Nice theory.

#16 d246

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 11:21

Don't know, but the stewards will keep me advised by China.

#17 BugTomek

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 11:21

is it even allowed to use KERS when it rains??

#18 ATM_Andy

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 11:22

Originally posted by BugTomek
is it even allowed to use KERS when it rains??


Yes.

#19 ATM_Andy

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 11:23

Originally posted by Mr Carnteen


I doubt they'll bother.......only Hamo and Alonso could get away with it as they're so late on the brakes.


Err No.

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#20 Timstr11

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 11:24

I remember a wet race (I think China) a couple of years ago where Button clearly used the 'O/T' (overtake) button to get extra revs/power to overtake. It's the same thing as using KERS.

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 11:41

Rain just increases the minimum speed before you're no longer traction limited. There will be a speed, above which, full throttle is fine. It's not like they'll be on slicks.

#22 jeze

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 11:44

Given Coulthard's claims that the Toyota is easy on the throttle, it could be them. I think KERS cars wioll suck badly in wet racing, so no advantages there ):

#23 tormave

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 11:50

Brawn, by a huge margin.

Melbourne even when dry tends to have poor lateral grip. The Brawn car was like it was on rails even in qualifying where everyone else was snaking all over the track.

Button is a pretty handy driver in the wet as well.

#24 derstatic

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 12:01

Brawn probably. It has more downforce than the rest of te pack and it looked extremely easy to drive and well balanced in Australia. To add to their advantage, both Button and Barrichello are both quick and solid in the rain. The Toyotas will probably be thereabouts and Vettel has performed well in wet conditions before, plus the RB looks quite quick aswell.

I believe form is still uncertain on both the Macs and the Ferraris, the Renault seems to be a dog although the Alonso factor might lift them to a podium with some luck. The Bimmers looked decent, but still questionmarks hanging over their true form. Kubica's performance was flattered circumstances such as the mistake on Button's last stop. And if the soft tyres had been up to the job Kubica would have been a distant third at best. Distant fourth if Barrichello hadn't gone in antistall.

#25 Ruud de la Rosa

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 13:48

what about the torro rosso's?

#26 Alfisti

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 13:50

I am glad there is some realisation that a smuch as we like to think there are "rain meisters' the truth is that some cars suit the rain better and it's usually the better cars. Last year and in 07 we saw RBR and STR make real inroads in the wet, so they must have had something that helped them.

#27 tahadar

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 13:52

brawns, toyotas and maybe williamses? the latter two have got some wet weather testing in.

#28 Ferrim

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 14:09

The one which generates more downforce and it's better set up for the conditions.

More downforce -----> Brawn
Better set up -----> We'll see :D

#29 Buttoneer

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 14:29

Originally posted by tormave

Button is a pretty handy driver in the wet as well.

The other bloke is too.

#30 BiH

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 14:29

my guess is toyota

#31 HoldenRT

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 14:38

In winter testing, based on the laptimes it was Toyota without a doubt.

However, Brawn didn't run in the wet and since then teams have upgraded their cars so it's hard to say.

#32 Rafo

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 15:02

:lol: ROFL @ ATM_Andy :lol:

My guess is Vettel and RBR will do well in wet ... :up:

#33 undersquare

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 15:13

Originally posted by Mr Carnteen
I can't imagine KERS will ever be used in the wet as it would break traction.
I happen to be a fantasic wet weather driver myself, and I know that extra power is useless.


:rotfl:

Thanks! After the DQ I really needed that (and the rest of it) :lol:

#34 Mika Mika

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 15:15

Originally posted by undersquare


:rotfl:

Thanks! After the DQ I really needed that (and the rest of it) :lol:


HAHAHA Yaris!!!

#35 Mauseri

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 15:22

Originally posted by Mr Carnteen
Full throttle can't be used on a road car in the wet.

You have those brilliant china import tyres surely.

#36 Barramut

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 15:49

None of them.
They're all convertible. :p

#37 Buttoneer

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 16:01

Today's press conf...

Q. (Andrea Cremonesi – La Gazzetta dello Sport) Sorry, my question was can only the weather make the change, the difference? Is there somebody else who can fight for victory in this Grand Prix?

JB: Rubens?

:rotfl:

A little sneaky bit of arrogance getting through there that you can all start to hate him for. He's British too, just to ease you're consciences.

#38 plg101

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 16:17

More down to the driver, I would have thought.

Button
Vettel
Sutil (Monaco last year?)
Alonso

#39 Dark Monkey

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 16:47

Couldn't they use KERS to get a smoother output in some turns instead of extra peak performance?

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#40 christoff

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 19:58

Originally posted by Mr Carnteen
I can't imagine KERS will ever be used in the wet as it would break traction.
I happen to be a fantasic wet weather driver myself, and I know that extra power is useless.


I hope this is an attempt at irony :lol:

#41 pingu666

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 20:10

guess ull use kers much later on, think in melbourne lewis did do some very short bursts of kers, might see that too

the downforce they produce will really help them out, but they probably still get abit of wheel slippage at high speed still :o

#42 inca_roads

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 20:30

I can't believe Webber's skill in the rain goes un-noticed. Maybe his high profile spin (or 2) at Silverstone counted against him, but the guy is very quick in wet conditions.

Unfortunately, Vettel is also great, so if they 1-2 everyone will assume they've got a great car in the wet!

#43 giltkid

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 20:47

I'm not sure I understand this thread. There are good, bad and indifferent cars and thats how they stay when its raining. Drivers on the other hand........

#44 PassWind

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 20:50

Originally posted by inca_roads
I can't believe Webber's skill in the rain goes un-noticed. Maybe his high profile spin (or 2) at Silverstone counted against him, but the guy is very quick in wet conditions.

Unfortunately, Vettel is also great, so if they 1-2 everyone will assume they've got a great car in the wet!


Fair weather fans really (pun intended) Vettel is the new number one at the team this week, so number 2 doesn't get talked about unless its contract related issues. Or the bugger upstarts the order of things McLaren 2007.

Adrian Sutil is the guy I would be watching the most, or Lewis Hamilton, hell stick Fisi in there as well I remember his blitzing SPA run in 05', the teams that aren't near the pointy end can take riskier decisions as to setup for weather predictions. As seen with Torro Rosso, Force India last year.

#45 inca_roads

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 12:01

Originally posted by inca_roads
I can't believe Webber's skill in the rain goes un-noticed. Maybe his high profile spin (or 2) at Silverstone counted against him, but the guy is very quick in wet conditions.


See. Told you. ;)

#46 krapmeister

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 12:12

Originally posted by inca_roads


See. Told you. ;)


A believer... :lol: :up:

#47 Blythy

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 12:36

the red bulls were flying in the rain. Specially webber.

toyota's were doing hella good as well.

#48 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 13:46

Would appear Red Bull, Brawn and whichever car has managed to guess which tyres to use :rotfl: