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#51 HoldenRT

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 13:37

Alonso twisting the knife.. :rotfl:

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#52 Dragonfly

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 13:52

Originally posted by HoldenRT
Alonso twisting the knife.. :rotfl:

It's Flavio who told him to do so ;)

#53 Ricardo F1

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 13:55

Hang on, didn't they lie to the stewards in Hungary to try and STOP Alonso getting penalized?

#54 trenchcoat

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 13:56

Hmmm ...ALonso doing a lewis



#55 Kevie911

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 13:57

He is such a wanker (to use one of those quaint British terms). Will he ever grow up, realise that his time at McLaren didn't work out to suit his massive Spanish ego, and just move on? I know, doubtful, very doubtful.

Note to FA: As you seem to be on your computer reading net stuff read this: "Shut your gob and drive your damned car. The more you say the stupider you appear".

#56 otoelpiloto

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 13:58

Originally posted by Ricardo F1
Hang on, didn't they lie to the stewards in Hungary to try and STOP Alonso getting penalized?


no, what they got was a penalty for alonso indeed, I won't forget hamilton's father intervention whilst alonso biting an apple...priceless!!

#57 otoelpiloto

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 14:01

Originally posted by Kevie911
He is such a wanker (to use one of those quaint British terms). Will he ever grow up, realise that his time at McLaren didn't work out to suit his massive Spanish ego, and just move on? I know, doubtful, very doubtful.

Note to FA: As you seem to be on your computer reading net stuff read this: "Shut your gob and drive your damned car. The more you say the stupider you appear".


great advice...from an outsider to an insider :rotfl:

#58 Lontano

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 14:09

Originally posted by HoldenRT
Alonso twisting the knife.. :rotfl:


They all deserve each other...

#59 Mika Mika

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 14:12

Originally posted by trenchcoat
Hmmm ...ALonso doing a lewis


I don't understand soccer at all!!!

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#60 MichaelPM

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 14:15

Go for the neck Alonso!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

#61 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 14:15

Oh FFS, what's the point?

How does Fred having a whine help anyone exactly? We're just dragging up issues that should be consigned to history, it does the sport no good whatsoever.

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 14:16

Originally posted by as65p


Yeah, a bad soldier. That's what I like in him.

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#63 blackgerby

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 14:16

I don't understand Alonso fans. He admitted that he took part in the Ferrarigate "information sharing" by testifying, but you'd think he walked on water.

It seems that every recent world champion has the compulsion to lie. The only one who has owned up and aplogised is Hamilton. I'll give him a second chance because it's the first time he's cocked up, but if he follows Alonso and Schumacher down their lying paths, then he's off my christmas list.

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 14:21

Originally posted by Mika Mika I don't understand soccer at all!!!

socwhat?

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 14:21

The guy has ZERO class outside the cockpit.

If I were looking for someone to trust, Fred would most certainly not be top of my list after lying and cheating throughout 2007 - as the FIA's emails proved beyond any doubt.

He's seen an opportunity to give some credance to his BS about Hungary. I think both parties had agreed to not discuss those matters. I suspect a whole can of worms will be opened up here and he won't come out of it smelling like roses.

The guy is an egotistical ****.

#66 tania_walesuk

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 14:22

Originally posted by Mika Mika
pot - kettle


spot on :lol:

#67 Mika Mika

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 14:23

Originally posted by blackgerby
I don't understand Alonso fans. He admitted that he took part in the Ferrarigate "information sharing" by testifying, but you'd think he walked on water.

It seems that every recent world champion has the compulsion to lie. The only one who has owned up and aplogised is Hamilton. I'll give him a second chance because it's the first time he's cocked up, but if he follows Alonso and Schumacher down their lying paths, then he's off my christmas list.


Kimi hans't... But that's because hes cooler than the others!!!

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 14:23

I thnk its interesting the way McLaren try to portray themselves. Is it just me or do they always try to make out like they are compeltely in control.

Is there really any harm in saying, 'we had no bloody idea what was going on!'

It certainly seems to get them in a lot of trouble.

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 14:23

Originally posted by airwise
The guy has ZERO class outside the cockpit.

If I were looking for someone to trust, Fred would most certainly not be top of my list after lying and cheating throughout 2007 - as the FIA's emails proved beyond any doubt.

He's seen an opportunity to give some credance to his BS about Hungary. I think both parties had agreed to not discuss those matters. I suspect a whole can of worms will be opened up here and he won't come out of it smelling like roses.

The guy is an egotistical ****.


No shit huh !! :rotfl: :lol: :kiss:

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 14:30

Originally posted by airwise
The guy has ZERO class outside the cockpit.

If I were looking for someone to trust, Fred would most certainly not be top of my list after lying and cheating throughout 2007 - as the FIA's emails proved beyond any doubt.

He's seen an opportunity to give some credance to his BS about Hungary. I think both parties had agreed to not discuss those matters. I suspect a whole can of worms will be opened up here and he won't come out of it smelling like roses.

The guy is an egotistical ****.


I reckon mclaren guys are top class then by your comments :lol: :lol:

I reckon mclaren guys would be the top of your lists to trust then

They both agreed? mclaren forced him to agree to get out of that nest of vibores

I wasn't surprised by your comments though :wave:

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 14:33

Originally posted by airwise
The guy has ZERO class outside the cockpit.

If I were looking for someone to trust, Fred would most certainly not be top of my list after lying and cheating throughout 2007 - as the FIA's emails proved beyond any doubt.

He's seen an opportunity to give some credance to his BS about Hungary. I think both parties had agreed to not discuss those matters. I suspect a whole can of worms will be opened up here and he won't come out of it smelling like roses.

The guy is an egotistical ****.

Stop arguing with the truth and the pleasure of giving credence to the truth of 2007 will not be such a big deal.

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 14:35

Originally posted by BMW_F1
Dado que la sanción de los comisarios ha sido por "proporcionarles información engañosa", preguntado Fernando Alonso sobre si la situación le recordaba el Gran Premio de Hungría de 2007, dijo: "Claro que me recordó al 2007.

given that the penalty imposed by the stewards was for "misleading information", Alonso was asked if this situation reminded him to the Hungarian GP back in 07. "Of course it reminded me of 2007" was his answer.

"No es la primera vez que van a ver a los comisarios, no es la primera vez que mienten a los comisarios y tarde o temprano tenían que sancionarles. Por supuesto ahí perdí el Mundial por un punto y en Hungría se me jugó una mala pasada".

"it is not the first time that they go to see the stewards, it is not the first time that they lie to stewards and sooner or later they had to be penalized. Of course, right there I lost the WDC for one point and in Hungary they played dirty tricks on me. "

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Nothing new really..

:up: thanks very much Bimmer.

Not sure I agree this is nothing new. I think this is the first time he has said McLaren lied to the stewards in Hungary.

As Alonso gave the same story to the stewards as McLaren did, doesn't this amount to an admission of having lied himself?

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 14:37

Such a FANTASTIC idea Fernando, well done.

Formula One reinvents itself, then shoots itself in the foot with the diffuser problem. Then Toyota get penalised, followed by Trulli and Vettel. Plus the almost-protest by Williams regarding the Ferrari and Red Bull....

This week we also have the Hamilton/McLaren lieing issue, so what does Fernando do? Drag up the McLaren/Ferrari Dossier incident again.


Any chance F1 had to reinvent itself has gone the way of the groove tyre.



I mean, Hamilton and McLaren were wrong to lie, but lets just leave it at that. They have been penalised, and we need to move on.

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 14:41

- McLaren has been caught cheating and lying with tapes to prove it.

- Hamilton has been caught cheating and lying with tapes to prove it.

Now I understand why Alonso takes this opportunity to defend himself from what happened in Hungaroring 2007, and thorough the whole season, they cheated on him, they lied to him, and they made him lose his third title.

Now we understand what kind of people he was dealing with: cheaters, liars, and a huge PR machine who made him look as "the bad one" (at least on the british media).

Thumbs up to Alonso, and what a shameful team full of liars and cowards (a whole team of english pals against the spaniard).

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 14:49

Originally posted by erpetao
Thumbs up to Alonso, and what a shameful team full of liars and cowards (a whole team of english pals against the spaniard).


He would deserve the thumbs up if he would have had a laugh at his hotel room reading the news and give a "no comment" when asked about the matter. That way he would show some class and would probably make some people reconsider what happened in 2007.

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 14:51

"McLaren turned me into a newt"

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 14:52

Originally posted by erpetao
- McLaren has been caught cheating and lying with tapes to prove it.

- Hamilton has been caught cheating and lying with tapes to prove it.

Now I understand why Alonso takes this opportunity to defend himself from what happened in Hungaroring 2007, and thorough the whole season, they cheated on him, they lied to him, and they made him lose his third title.

Now we understand what kind of people he was dealing with: cheaters, liars, and a huge PR machine who made him look as "the bad one" (at least on the british media).

Thumbs up to Alonso, and what a shameful team full of liars and cowards (a whole team of english pals against the spaniard).


:up: :up: :up:

pretty clear now what mclaren policy is and has been

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 14:53

Originally posted by El_Capitán

I thank God 99.99% of the people on this good earth are NOT from (not so) Great Britain.


About 0.89% of the people on this good earth ARE.

Doug

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 14:54

Originally posted by Lontano


He would deserve the thumbs up if he would have had a laugh at his hotel room reading the news and give a "no comment" when asked about the matter. That way he would show some class and would probably make some people reconsider what happened in 2007.


this way he has proven a whole country, the country he loves and represents he's is and was a masterclass surrounded by such vibores, I don't think he can be bother about what "some people" as you mention can think about him...

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 14:54

Originally posted by karlth
"McLaren turned me into a newt"


:lol:

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 14:54

Originally posted by erpetao


Thumbs up to Alonso, and what a shameful team full of liars and cowards (a whole team of english pals against the spaniard).

Thumbs up?

How has this helped anything?

#82 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 14:58

Originally posted by otoelpiloto


this way he has proven a whole country, the country he loves and represents he's is and was a masterclass surrounded by such vibores, I don't think he can be bother about what "some people" as you mention can think about him...

I was pretty sure that everybody already knew his position on this. What exactly does having another whine nearly two years on prove?

Other than that he can't let it lie? Or that he likes being vindictive and has no care for how his comments will make the sport look?

Childish is surely the only thing this is, to jump and and basically scream LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME, I've got nothing to do with the issue at hand but I must have the last word.

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 15:03

Originally posted by wewantourdarbyback
I was pretty sure that everybody already knew his position on this. What exactly does having another whine nearly two years on prove?

Other than that he can't let it lie? Or that he likes being vindictive and has no care for how his comments will make the sport look?

Childish is surely the only thing this is, to jump and and basically scream LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME, I've got nothing to do with the issue at hand but I must have the last word.


that's is the image you might get of him after reading this, basically that's the way media feed you...have you stopped to think that alonso's just being sincere to a question made by a journalist who clearly knew alonso transparency whilst answering questions?it's not that childish LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME you remark

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 15:07

Originally posted by Nadsat



He' saying that McLaren lied in Hungary in front of the stewards and played dirty tricks against him, which is something everyone knows in Spain since then.


But who told him to wait an extra 10 seconds so Hamilton missed final qualifying? No one arse features, he did it all by himself which makes him as bad as Schumacher for parking his car in Monte Carlo so preventing his championship rivals from a final lap. Alonso is trying and shamefully succeeding in getting everyone in Spain to believe he should be a three times world champion now. Truth is he was made to look average by Hamilton long before Hungary and Trulli did a good job too before Alonso threw a Latin tantrum and got Uncle Briatore to slow Trulli down. As Trulli said yesterday, I have always been honest, so we can only assume he was right about that too, or do you all only believe what you want to believe when it suits you!! I am off to Italy for two weeks so say what you want, I wont be reading it HA HA!! :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 15:15

Alonso was asked if the situation remembered him the 2007 Hungarian GP. And he answered.

He could have said "I have no opinion", but he's entitled to have one, and to express it if he's asked to, and that's what he's done.

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 15:17

Originally posted by otoelpiloto


no, what they got was a penalty for alonso indeed

No, they went to the stewards to stop Alonso being penalized.

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 15:23

Originally posted by Kooper


i never understood why a straight talker like Montoya couldnt say the truth...

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 15:25

Originally posted by blackgerby
I don't understand Alonso fans. He admitted that he took part in the Ferrarigate "information sharing" by testifying, but you'd think he walked on water.

It seems that every recent world champion has the compulsion to lie. The only one who has owned up and aplogised is Hamilton. I'll give him a second chance because it's the first time he's cocked up, but if he follows Alonso and Schumacher down their lying paths, then he's off my christmas list.


saying nothing, and telling lies to hide the truth to stewards are two differents things!

when Alonso went asked about the ferrarigate, he told the truth!

mclaren in australia told lied to the stewards when asked about the Overated african driver

:cool:

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 15:26

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 15:26

Originally posted by ForMules

...the Overated african driver

:cool:


Unnecesary

#91 chesterfield

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 15:28

Originally posted by ForMules


saying nothing, and telling lies to hide the truth to stewards are two differents things!

when Alonso went asked about the ferrarigate, he told the truth!

mclaren in australia told lied to the stewards when asked about the Overated african driver

:cool:


So attempting to blackmail your team is fine?

Lewis is British.. racist much?

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 15:28

Originally posted by ForMules


... the Overated african driver

:cool:


triste

#93 ForMules

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 15:30

Originally posted by BrendanMcF


Unnecesary


being african or from african roots isn't an insult! dude

Hamilton is the sole african cheater i know in F1, i hope that the british teams will involve more
compadré of hamilton, pakish etc... all that makes the so colored country!

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 15:32

Piss off

#95 ForMules

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 15:32

Originally posted by Lontano


triste


being african, i would be proud of this!

#96 Gwynston

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 15:32

Originally posted by ForMules


being african or from african roots isn't an insult! dude

Hamilton is the sole african cheater i know in F1, i hope that the british teams will involve more
compadré of hamilton, pakish etc... all that makes the so colored country!

I think should stop now before you get into trouble.

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 15:33

Originally posted by ForMules

i hope that the british teams will involve more
compadré of hamilton, pakish etc... all that makes the so colored country!


Do you only open your mouth to change which foot you have in it?

#98 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 15:33

Originally posted by otoelpiloto


that's is the image you might get of him after reading this, basically that's the way media feed you...have you stopped to think that alonso's just being sincere to a question made by a journalist who clearly knew alonso transparency whilst answering questions?it's not that childish LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME you remark


Er, no.

Surely the logical thing would be to just not comment? This had nothing to do with him, he needn't have answered any question thrown at him. If had done so he would have shown maturity beyond McLaren and their recent lies, but his reaction just brings him down to their level.

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 15:33

Originally posted by ForMules
saying nothing, and telling lies to hide the truth to stewards are two differents things!

When Alonso told the stewards that the reason he sat in his pit for 10s after the lollipop was raised in Hungary qualifying was because he was enquiring about his tyres, do you think he was:

(a) saying nothing
(b) telling the truth or
© telling lies to hide the truth to the stewards?

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#100 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 15:34

Originally posted by ForMules


mclaren in australia told lied to the stewards when asked about the Overated african driver


As opposed to the overrated White driver who helped in the sharing of Ferrari details at McLaren?