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#1 Alfisti

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 15:27

This is what we hear every time we listen in to his radio in practice of qualifying both this year and last year. He seems a decent fellow, can obviously peddle based on CART performaces but what's wrong in F1? He just cannot get a handle on it and if Buemi beats him again this weekend, i'd be nervous if i were Seb.

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#2 Madras

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 15:58

Disappointing so far this year...

#3 pingu666

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 16:05

he is good in sportscars too, did a couple of good stints at sebring. it could be modern f1 just doesnt suit him, like wurz he can comunicate extremely well, but seems to struggle abit :(

#4 Madras

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 16:11

Originally posted by pingu666
he is good in sportscars too, did a couple of good stints at sebring. it could be modern f1 just doesnt suit him, like wurz he can comunicate extremely well, but seems to struggle abit :(


Wurz was good until his big crash in the tunnel at Monaco.

#5 rolf123

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 16:47

You're right, he always moans on the radio. His attitude is all wrong.

Time to bring in Bruno Senna.

#6 John Morrison

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 16:55

The only reason he got a point because Lewis Hamilton got DQ'd.

Next thing you know he demanded to be in a top team again just like he demanded to be in F1.

If he still couldn't cut it NASCAR is still there. I'm sure NASCAR want any "disgruntled" ex-F1 drivers any time.

#7 engel

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 16:57

I have a friend that follows Bourdais very closely and feels he's a driver that very much needs to feel his team around him, supporting him, to perform. He's generally not very happy being paired up with "hotshot" drivers and would just perform better in time given TLC.

Once again, a friend's opinion I m rehashing, not mine, I don't follow Bourdais all that closely.

#8 HoldenRT

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 17:04

It seems he has a very very very narrow window for where he is happy with the setup. The BBC guys had a cheap shot about it today. :

#9 senna da silva

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 17:12

I like Seb but he really needs to up his game. This is F1 and Seb is an adult he shouldn't need mollycoddling. Buemi is a crap driver and Seb should be kicking his ass. If he isn't on top of things after the third race then STR should consider replacing Seb. I was personally very vocal about having Seb have a seat in F1 but he has been a disappointment so far, he did show flashes of brilliance last year and I'd hoped he'd be more consistent but so far it hasn't materialised.

#10 Chicken McNuggets

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 19:08

The thread title reminds me of that Martin Brundle quote about, I think, Alonso in qualifying once at Monaco, where he was basically telling his team the same thing ("I need more grip!"), to which Brundle said something to the effect of, "engineers like to hear something more specific than that - you can't just get some grip from the back of the garage and put it on the car." :

#11 RoutariEnjinu

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 19:29

Originally posted by Chicken McNuggets
[...]you can't just get some grip from the back of the garage and put it on the car."




:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

#12 barnardferrari

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 19:39

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#13 UPRC

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 20:06

Originally posted by barnardferrari
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Ah, the answer to all of Seabass's problems! :lol:

#14 BiH

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 20:29

the last few post are :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


made me laugh :up:

#15 HoldenRT

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 01:22

Originally posted by senna da silva
Buemi is a crap driver and Seb should be kicking his ass.


It's only been one race, but so far Beumi has been good. What happens before F1 doesn't matter once you enter F1. Previous results don't guarantee success, and lack of results doesn't stop you from doing well if you are up to it.

He hardly drove the STR4 (same with Bourdais) in the winter. I'm guessing STR don't have a simulator either. He had never driven Melbourne before. His laps Friday morning were dog slow but he was learning the track.

In qualifying, he out qualled his teammate by 0.4, and got a points finish in his debut race, in a car that's the second slowest in the field. He made no mistakes, unlike Kimi for example who is a WDC in a Ferrari, or Nakajima who was driving one of the fastest cars. His debut was much better then Heiki's, Vettel's, or Rosberg for example.

Just to put it into perspective, Scott Speed never scored a single point in his F1 career.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 01:26

Originally posted by HoldenRT
...Previous results don't guarantee success, and lack of results doesn't stop you from doing well if you are up to it...


:up:

Piquet is a great example of this - so was Pizzonia. Hell, there are heaps of drivers that were sh*t hot in lower formulas that never achieved anything in F1...

#17 senna da silva

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 01:30

Originally posted by HoldenRT


It's only been one race, but so far Beumi has been good. What happens before F1 doesn't matter once you enter F1. Previous results don't guarantee success, and lack of results doesn't stop you from doing well if you are up to it.

He hardly drove the STR4 (same with Bourdais) in the winter. I'm guessing STR don't have a simulator either. He had never driven Melbourne before. His laps Friday morning were dog slow but he was learning the track.

In qualifying, he out qualled his teammate by 0.4, and got a points finish in his debut race, in a car that's the second slowest in the field. He made no mistakes, unlike Kimi for example who is a WDC in a Ferrari, or Nakajima who was driving one of the fastest cars. His debut was much better then Heiki's, Vettel's, or Rosberg for example.

Just to put it into perspective, Scott Speed never scored a single point in his F1 career.


This is exactly what I'm talking about. Buemi did nothing before F1, he walks into the team with hardly any seat time in the new car, doesn't know the track and still soundly beats Seb. Doesn't look good for Bourdais does it.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 01:55

Originally posted by John Morrison
If he still couldn't cut it NASCAR is still there. I'm sure NASCAR want any "disgruntled" ex-F1 drivers any time.


No thanks LOL, almost every Open Wheel driver that's come to NASCAR the last few years has failed miserable. Montoya and Gordon are the only ones that have had any success. Villenueve was send packing after embarrassing himself at Daytona.

To be honest, I don't think Bourdais is all he is cracked up to be. Yes, he won 4 championships in ChampCar, but it was at a time when a majority of the teams and drivers came and went each year. Gerald Forsythe's team was really the only real competition he had over all 5 years he raced in ChampCar.

#19 John Morrison

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 05:26

The jury is still out on Scott Speed as this is first full NASCAR season.

Christian Fittipaldi is another ex-F1 driver tanked in NASCAR.

Bourdais was in interested driving stock style cars after mixing it up in IROC. If he decided one day to drive in NASCAR, he will received in open arms from NASCAR suits. They like to find another way to claim global expansion and diversity and another ex-F1 driver embracing NASCAR and telling F1 to stick it.

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#20 Zippel

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 06:16

Originally posted by Madras


Wurz was good until his big crash in the tunnel at Monaco.


Why does everyone say that? He was good for the next 3 races AFTER that too. The slide seem to start at his home GP when Fisichella grabbed pole and Wurz was stuck at the back.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 07:56

Originally posted by John Morrison
They like to find another way to claim global expansion and diversity and another ex-F1 driver embracing NASCAR and telling F1 to stick it.

Fact is hardly anyone would know Bourdais is an F1 driver as he's not really set the world on fire in STR. From NASCAR point of view he'd be much more interesting because of his CART championships than a probably very limited F1 following.

If NASCAR wanted to have European interest through hiring a French driver they should get Loeb, not Bourdais.

#22 Seanspeed

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 08:02

Originally posted by senna da silva
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Buemi did nothing before F1, he walks into the team with hardly any seat time in the new car, doesn't know the track and still soundly beats Seb. Doesn't look good for Bourdais does it.

Thats not exactly what you're talking about. You seemed to have missed his point entirely.

His post was about your comment that 'Buemi is a crap driver', and proceeded to show that he certainly doesn't look like a crap driver so far. He was never even bad in the previous categories. He may not have had the most illustrious pre-F1 career, but he's been pretty strong in everything he's been in, and he's never really had the chance at a top team for most of these junior categories, either.

I think he definitely deserves a chance before we go around saying he's crap.

#23 Madras

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 08:31

Originally posted by Zippel


Why does everyone say that? He was good for the next 3 races AFTER that too. The slide seem to start at his home GP when Fisichella grabbed pole and Wurz was stuck at the back.


Why would that affect him?

#24 Zippel

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 08:44

Originally posted by Madras


Why would that affect him?


It may not have but it makes far more sense than the Monaco crash where the next 3 races after that event his results were 4th, 5th and 4th.

#25 EVO2

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 11:13

Here are three drivers in F1 at the moment that appear to be weak compared with the other drivers and especially in relation to their teammates : Bourdais is one of them but Piquet and Nakajima should be equally vunerable.

Piquet because he looks to be simply not fast enough and Nakajima ditto but also because of his eratic race record.

Bourdais at least out qualified Buemi today.

Given the hightened level of competition this year, it would be a surprise if at least two of them are still in the championship by the end of the season.

Piquet could well be gone by Monaco and Bourdais before Monza.

Nakajima should survive because of the Toyota connection.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 11:26

Originally posted by EVO2
Here are three drivers in F1 at the moment that appear to be weak compared with the other drivers and especially in relation to their teammates : Bourdais is one of them but Piquet and Nakajima should be equally vunerable.
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Nakajima should survive because of the Toyota connection.

Nakajima is not as fast as Rosberg and at times he is a bit error prone but Rosberg is highly rated and Nakajima is not far away from him in terms of laptimes. I think Nakajima has done a decent job so far.

#27 Motormedia

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 11:28

I think this could be a case of misunderstanding. Bourdais is complaining he has no grip on the situation...

#28 Madras

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 11:29

Bourdais did ok today to get out of Q1. I'll be interested to see how his race goes.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 17:21

Originally posted by HoldenRT
It seems he has a very very very narrow window for where he is happy with the setup. The BBC guys had a cheap shot about it today. :


cheeper then the nascar guys saying " here comes wallmendinger" as A.J. almendinger clobbered the wall his rookie season?

#30 senna da silva

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 17:29

Originally posted by TheHumanPromise

Thats not exactly what you're talking about. You seemed to have missed his point entirely.

His post was about your comment that 'Buemi is a crap driver', and proceeded to show that he certainly doesn't look like a crap driver so far. He was never even bad in the previous categories. He may not have had the most illustrious pre-F1 career, but he's been pretty strong in everything he's been in, and he's never really had the chance at a top team for most of these junior categories, either.

I think he definitely deserves a chance before we go around saying he's crap.


20th place!

#31 imaginesix

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 18:00

Originally posted by senna da silva
20th place!

And from this you conclude what?

#32 senna da silva

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 18:12

Originally posted by imaginesix
And from this you conclude what?


I don't believe Buemi has the talent of Vettel, or even close for that matter. Guaranteed, Buemi blew it on his best lap. My point is that Bourdais should be all over this rookie like white on rice, but he isn't. Buemi may turn out to be the second coming, but there is absolutely no indication of that so far. I said "crap" as a throw away comment, what I meant is that he is probably another Liuzzi, Sutil or Speed.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 18:25

I always hoped Bourdais would get to F1 and I think he deserved to. I always thought it would be hard, having raced in Champcars in the USA for so long, so last season I wasn't surprised he had it so tough. Definitely this year he has to come out on top against Buemi (a driver I don't know at all) but at this stage one good/bad race doesn't make a season, so lets just see what happens.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 18:49

Originally posted by Alfisti
This is what we hear every time we listen in to his radio in practice of qualifying both this year and last year. He seems a decent fellow, can obviously peddle based on CART performaces but what's wrong in F1? He just cannot get a handle on it and if Buemi beats him again this weekend, i'd be nervous if i were Seb.

Have you heard Kubica's communication? "This car is completely undriveable...." etc...

All F1 folks are complaing... they are quite good in that...

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 18:56

Originally posted by EVO2
Piquet because he looks to be simply not fast enough and Nakajima ditto but also because of his eratic race record.

Deep down I think Piquet has the talent to be in F1. I think the fact that he doesn't have much experience and that his teammate is a 2-time champion really puts a lot of pressure on him and he makes more mistakes.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 21:24

Originally posted by senna da silva


I don't believe Buemi has the talent of Vettel, or even close for that matter. Guaranteed, Buemi blew it on his best lap. My point is that Bourdais should be all over this rookie like white on rice, but he isn't. Buemi may turn out to be the second coming, but there is absolutely no indication of that so far. I said "crap" as a throw away comment, what I meant is that he is probably another Liuzzi, Sutil or Speed.

I dont think anyone was claiming that Buemi was going to be the 2nd coming of anybody. Just refuting your comment that he was a 'crap driver'.

Point of course being that you were exaggerating Buemi's lousiness to make Bourdais look even worse.

#37 ruby soho

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 21:45

bourdais needs to get a grip

#38 tkulla

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 22:06

Is it just me, or didn't anyone else notice that Bourdais handily beat Buemi today? The guy is very good, and I suspect he will be the one ahead at the end of the year.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 22:40

I supported Bourdais since he came to F1, and wanted him to keep his seat.
But, he better get a move on this, and start improving, or else ....

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 23:10

Originally posted by tkulla
Is it just me, or didn't anyone else notice that Bourdais handily beat Buemi today? The guy is very good, and I suspect he will be the one ahead at the end of the year.



Interesting because Buemi has been here before so you'd expect him to be up with Bourdais. Bourdais though was on the limit, judging by the times; very good job in getting into Q2, but you could tell that was all that the car could give.

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 00:54

Originally posted by Alfisti
This is what we hear every time we listen in to his radio in practice of qualifying both this year and last year. He seems a decent fellow, can obviously peddle based on CART performaces but what's wrong in F1? He just cannot get a handle on it and if Buemi beats him again this weekend, i'd be nervous if i were Seb.


Look at Zinardi in CART, then he returns to F1, and that certainly didn't go as hoped...

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 03:58

Originally posted by Madras
Disappointing so far this year...

You conclude that after 1 race? Bourdais outqualified Buemi in Malaysia.

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