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#1 Keir

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Posted 10 October 2000 - 15:05

Just in case you skip "THE" thread because of it's length.
We need some info on the Parnell Lolas of the early 60's.

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#2 Ray Bell

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Posted 10 October 2000 - 15:29

Who could ever skip it, Keir?
With regard to that, the 2.7 version as raced in Australia and NZ in 1963 by FJ and AM looked like and undoubtedly shared many components with the F1 cars driven the previous year by FJ etc. But the fitting of the big four in place of the little V8 may have meant a different designation. I'm sure there was a post somewhere in the last week or so that mentioned Chris in one of these cars... Is this what you're after?

#3 Keir

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Posted 10 October 2000 - 21:34

No, Ray, I'm looking for the letter designation, as in Ligier's case, the JS stood for Jo Schlesser.
The Parnell Lolas had a P in front of the numbers and I don't remember what Lola had used in the past.

#4 Ray Bell

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Posted 11 October 2000 - 00:36

Fairly sure they were 'Mk.' before that... and still after that? Was it a total change or a temporary thing?

#5 Keir

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Posted 11 October 2000 - 02:42

That I don't know, Lola wasn't around long enough in F1 to form any continuity.

#6 Ray Bell

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Posted 11 October 2000 - 05:31

I think you'll find that they didn't distinguish between Sports Cars, FJrs or F1 in those days, they were just another model of Lola Cars...

#7 Barry Lake

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Posted 11 October 2000 - 16:54

According to GP & Voiturette Racing, in 1962, when they first appeared, they were called a Lola 4 (when the Lotus was Lotus 18, for example) and the chassis numbers were BRGP-41 (and 42, 43, 44).
In 1963 Bob Anderson raced BRGP-43 as a Lola 4 under DW Racing Enterprises. Chris Amon drove Lola 4A BRGP-44 for Reg Parnell (Racing).
In 1964 Midland racing Partnership ran two Lolas for Maggs and Attwood, called Lola 54, chassis numbers BRJ-57 and BRJ-59.
John Willment entered a Lola 55 chassis number SL-64-2.


#8 Keir

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Posted 11 October 2000 - 17:54

Great stuff, Barry.
I still don't get the meaning of the letters BRGP?
It really wasn't something that Lola did before or after.
Could Bowmaker have had that kind of clout back then?

#9 Don Capps

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Posted 11 October 2000 - 19:30

Keir,

BRGP = Bowmaker Racing Grand Prix

The "BRGP" was only used on the 1962 machines, the Mk 4.

Indeed, the chassis number prefixes used by Lola are among the more interesting in this arcane art. They used "SL" and "HU" in addition to the "BRJ" and "BRGP" mentioned with perhaps a few more I can't think of off the top of my head.

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#10 Keir

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Posted 12 October 2000 - 00:21

Did Reg Parnell drop the BRGP for 63 and call his Lolas P1's, or was that the Lotus 24's?
And did Lola consider Parnell's Lolas factory cars?

#11 Ray Bell

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Posted 12 October 2000 - 00:41

I'm sure they were... Surtees and Broadley had an extremely close relationship over many years. I'm certain that Lola was right on the spot for the races of 1962.
Just reflecting here, it was really a brave move (or before its time) for Parnell to find the sponsor and set up this attack on F1.
I guess you could call it a semi-works effort.
Not many are going to the Amon thread, Keir...

#12 Roger Clark

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Posted 12 October 2000 - 05:41

I'm sure the Lola's were still BRGP in 63., and the Parnell built Lotuses were Px. In 63 they were genuie prvate entries, with very little involvement from Broadley, who was fully occupied with his GT and Formula Junior projects.

#13 Barry Lake

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Posted 12 October 2000 - 14:57

In the Formula 5000 days HU in the chassis number indicated it had been built at Huntington (is that correct spelling?). I don't think I learned what the alternative was because all the Lolas for which I listed chassis numbers were prefixed HU.

#14 Don Capps

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Posted 12 October 2000 - 15:46

...and SL = Slough


The Lola chassis numbers for the Mk. 4's retained the 'BRGP' right up to the end.

The "P" series was strictly for the Lotus copies.

#15 Keir

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Posted 12 October 2000 - 19:05

Lotus copies??
I really have to dig out my old tomes and takes a look.
I thought that Tim Parnell ran the second hand stuff he got from Chapman.

BTW - There is an interesting question on "THE" famous Amon thread for all fans of early BRM engines. Early meaning early 60's.

Reflect eary and reflect often.