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#1 gibbo1

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 21:09

You would think that he would have learned his lesson from last week, but apparently not!

With only a couple of minutes left of FP2, Vettel dived into the corner inside Heidfeld, clearly going to fast for the corner, and ended up cutting across Heidfelds path.

I don't doubt for 1 minute that it was an accident, and just a little bit of inexperience, but twice in a week? That's good going! :clap:

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#2 Blue16

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 21:12

Remember last season, the first few races he was like a magnet for trouble!

Good lad! Well worth the £11 the TVLA take off me each month!!

#3 Seanspeed

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 21:19

It was pretty stupid, definitely. Its just practice Vettel, there's no point risking things like that. Yes, you were on a good lap, but having to make an overtaking maneuver like that was going to ruin your lap time anyways, so you might as well have just backed off and given yourself a gap. And then he had the audacity to throw his hand up at Heidfeld.

I like the kid, but he needs to calm down a bit. I may be reading too much into things, but I think Webber's speed is really giving him some pressure.

#4 Buttoneer

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 21:32

Sorry but you're not going to manage any proper Atlas outrage until he cuts up Alonso.

#5 krapmeister

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 21:35

Originally posted by Buttoneer
Sorry but you're not going to manage any proper Atlas outrage until he cuts up Alonso.


:lol:

or Hamilton...

#6 Rob

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 21:38

Schumacher crashed in practice all the time in his early F1 career. :)

#7 ClubmanGT

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 21:40

At least he has the coldest balls of any guy out there.

#8 Alfisti

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 21:50

Originally posted by TheHumanPromise
It was pretty stupid, definitely. Its just practice Vettel, there's no point risking things like that.


Watch the body language of Vettel and Webber's cars and watch the live timing. make no mistake, they trade fastest laps even in free practice. As soon as Webber goes faster Vettel turns a faster one then webbo returns serve. This is a great battle.

#9 stevewf1

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 21:53

Originally posted by Rob
Schumacher crashed in practice all the time in his early F1 career. :)


Schumacher flew off the road a lot - in practice - and he certainly learned a few things didn't he?

As far as Vettel goes, he seemed to do fairly well at Monza last year in the rain...

#10 BullHead

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 21:54

Vettel RACES :)

#11 Victor

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 21:59

Originally posted by gibbo1
You would think that he would have learned his lesson from last week, but apparently not!

With only a couple of minutes left of FP2, Vettel dived into the corner inside Heidfeld, clearly going to fast for the corner, and ended up cutting across Heidfelds path.

I don't doubt for 1 minute that it was an accident, and just a little bit of inexperience, but twice in a week? That's good going! :clap:

What do you mean, twice in a week? Are you counting Kubica's mistake in Melbourne last Sunday?

#12 ensign14

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 22:02

Originally posted by BullHead
Vettel RACES :)

QFT.

#13 BullHead

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 22:03

Originally posted by Victor

What do you mean, twice in a week? Are you counting Kubica's mistake in Melbourne last Sunday?


:up: The boy WILL fight the corner, like I said he races. Kubica knows that now....

#14 308

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 22:28



He is a good replacement for Coulthard...

#15 Lantern

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 22:32

He's quickly becoming my favorite driver if he wasn't already. Nothing wrong with finding the limit in practice. Why the heck would you want to do it in the race?

#16 Dalek Caan

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 22:54

Originally posted by ClubmanGT
At least he has the coldest balls of any guy out there.


Was that not just a ghost-written Red Bull PR release? Buemi's blog is similarly irreverent in that way.

#17 senna da silva

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 23:00

Two BMW's within a week. Hmmm has Seb got an axe to grind with Mario? :rotfl:

I love this kid, he's fast, he races, and for a German he has a sense of humour. :up:

#18 Dalek Caan

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 23:01

Originally posted by senna da silva
Two BMW's within a week. Hmmm has Seb got an axe to grind with Mario? :rotfl:

I love this kid, he's fast, he races, and for a German he has a sense of humour. :up:


I don't think Seb has any axe to grind. He knows which team he ultimately wants to drive for one day.

Oh and btw, he is petrified of mice. :lol: Just thought I'd add that fact before his manly image goes overboard on this forum. :p

#19 SchuOz

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 23:24

He was a fast lap...only half a tenth down to Kimi at sector 2, when he came upon Heidfeld on the back straight.

HE certainly has (cool) balls !

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#20 Racing Dutchman

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 23:32

Originally posted by stevewf1


Schumacher flew off the road a lot - in practice - and he certainly learned a few things didn't he?

As far as Vettel goes, he seemed to do fairly well at Monza last year in the rain...

It was different with Schumacher: in those days you always had a spare car ready, so you could take the risk and don't worry about the next session.

These kinds of things are the reason why topteams let Vettel stay at a subtopteam (on paper) for just a little longer. No matter if it is your fault= you should have the brains to not be victim of other people their stupid mistakes (like we have to pay attention to traffic from the left, in case they make a mistake).

The more experienced a driver gets, the better (not perfect) he gets at predicting trouble (Barrichello and DC excluded).

I have had many times in front of the TV wondering why MSC or Hakkinen dropped 1 or 2 places after a first lap incident, only to see in replay that if he hadn't done that he would have been hit and would have been eliminated.

#21 Hacklerf

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 23:34

They say Vettel is a star of the future, but he is a star of now, he is the one who will be marked out in this generation of drivers

#22 slideways

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 00:21

If he took Heidi out there he could quite possibly get a further penalty for the race, so it leans towards the silly end of the scale IMO.

#23 Dmitriy_Guller

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 00:44

Originally posted by ClubmanGT
At least he has the coldest balls of any guy out there.

Too much information.

#24 Mila

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 00:54

Originally posted by ClubmanGT
At least he has the coldest balls of any guy out there.


not after the fire extinguisher went off in KR's cockpit.

:)

#25 HoldenRT

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 01:15

Didn't see the incident. Doesn't sound too good (after last week).

He's been very erratic so far, both from bad luck and from mistakes. Lost time in Melb practice with car problems. Then made driver error and beached it in grass. He hardly had any laps leading into quali but still did the business in quali. Had an outstanding race until the race incident. He's quick, there's no doubt about it. He's also a bit raw, but it's early in his career and he can afford to take more chances.

#26 wonk123

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 01:44

Originally posted by Alfisti


Watch the body language of Vettel and Webber's cars and watch the live timing. make no mistake, they trade fastest laps even in free practice. As soon as Webber goes faster Vettel turns a faster one then webbo returns serve. This is a great battle.


:up: :up:

This battle really is shaping up to be as good as we all hoped in pre-season!

#27 Jambo

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 01:53

Originally posted by Mila


not after the fire extinguisher went off in KR's cockpit.

:)


What fire extinguisher ;)

#28 KAus

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 03:38

Originally posted by BullHead


:up: The boy WILL fight the corner, like I said he races. Kubica knows that now....


Well, practice is a long way from a race and he is just going to end up with a damaged car/poor setup for the real race (due to lost practice laps) if he keeps on pushing his luck.

Re: Kubica/Vettel in Aust. Vettel knows it was a stupid move and is paying for it again this week (although I think the penalty is a bit harsh). Not sure Kubica will do too much different next time.

I actually like the guy and think he has great potential but get p*ssed off seeing people 'racing' during practice/testing when the other guy is just trying to get through his program.

#29 Gemini

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 04:48

While I am of opinion that Vettel is to blame for Australia incident, I see no reason to critisise him for FP2 dive into last corner. He tried too hard, he outbraked himself, he knows now that such manouver does not work at that corner if other driver keeps his cool on race line. That's what the practice is for , isn't?

#30 KAus

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 05:30

I just don't think it is worth the risk but I am happy to see Vettel lose setup time. I'm a Webber supporter and it looks like he is going to need all the help he can get to beat Vettel :)

Had a look at Vettel's race lap times from Australia and they look pretty impressive. Too bad the Kubica incident threw it all away...

#31 wonk123

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 05:36

Originally posted by KAus
I just don't think it is worth the risk but I am happy to see Vettel lose setup time. I'm a Webber supporter and it looks like he is going to need all the help he can get to beat Vettel :)

Had a look at Vettel's race lap times from Australia and they look pretty impressive. Too bad the Kubica incident threw it all away...


I am happy to see it, as it shows that SV is being hurried along by Mark.
I wonder if MW will be quicker as his fitness improves or whether it will be this close all season

#32 Craven Morehead

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 07:13

Let's not all trip over ourselves while wringing our hands. Nothing happened. he got a little crossed up & Nick went by on the inside. Big deal. It's a non-issue. Except in Forum land it appears, where every move a driver makes is dissected, analyzed and renalyzed ad infinatum complete with all sorts of criticism from the armchair experts.

#33 peroa

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 07:17

Originally posted by Craven Morehead
Let's not all trip over ourselves while wringing our hands. Nothing happened. he got a little crossed up & Nick went by on the inside. Big deal. It's a non-issue. Except in Forum land it appears, where every move a driver makes is dissected, analyzed and renalyzed ad infinatum complete with all sorts of criticism from the armchair experts.


... mostly with recent registration dates.

#34 slideways

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 07:34

Originally posted by peroa


... mostly with recent registration dates.


What does that have to do with anything? A guy that has been posting on internet forums for longer carries more weight? Please.

#35 Jambo

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 07:38

Originally posted by peroa


... mostly with recent registration dates.


If any of them are like me I have been reading the forums for years and eventually got round to getting an account a year or two ago.

I forgot my password though and due to the fact that the email address was a work one I no longer had couldn't get a new one and had to re register!

#36 F1Champion

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 07:45

I'm still massively impressed with Vettel keeping up his good pace in practice. Clearly he is putting himself and car in high positions and pestering cars that are quicker than his.

#37 peroa

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 07:50

Originally posted by slideways


What does that have to do with anything? A guy that has been posting on internet forums for longer carries more weight? Please.


Heh, funny ...

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#38 slideways

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 07:51

Originally posted by F1Champion
I'm still massively impressed with Vettel keeping up his good pace in practice. Clearly he is putting himself and car in high positions and pestering cars that are quicker than his.


He's got innate speed, no doubt. But I'm not sure that's really the case as both Red Bull drivers look like they are all over the Brawns and Ferraris this weekend. I think with the late launch of the car they were still in catch up mode in Melbourne and seem to be ... well, catching up now. The RBR is genuinely quick.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 07:52

I love the guy, but I agree with what Ant Davidson* said that he simply needs to learn not to get over excited at times.


*and holy crap, is BBC radio commentary good or what? If anyone lives close to mr. Davidson, buy him a beer from me.

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#40 armchair expert

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 08:10

Originally posted by Craven Morehead
Let's not all trip over ourselves while wringing our hands. Nothing happened. he got a little crossed up & Nick went by on the inside. Big deal. It's a non-issue. Except in Forum land it appears, where every move a driver makes is dissected, analyzed and renalyzed ad infinatum complete with all sorts of criticism from the armchair experts.


Exactly :up:

And you won't see any criticism of Vettel by this armchair expert! ;)

#41 jesee

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 08:35

Originally posted by Craven Morehead
Let's not all trip over ourselves while wringing our hands. Nothing happened. he got a little crossed up & Nick went by on the inside. Big deal. It's a non-issue. Except in Forum land it appears, where every move a driver makes is dissected, analyzed and renalyzed ad infinatum complete with all sorts of criticism from the armchair experts.


I can only laugh alound at this comment knowing your analysis of a certain driver in the past... :lol:

#42 travbrad

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 08:45

Well now he'll know exactly how much grip is in that part of the track, so he can overtake a bunch of people in the race :p

#43 john ruston

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:57

I note that Bernie E thought the penalty imposed last week stupid and its stops drivers racing.Stating the obvious

#44 KAus

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 11:01

I haven't read too much about it but I think he was penalised because he braked early, then let off the brakes when he realised Kubica was going around the outside. Still a harsh penalty IMO but I don't believe he would have been punished without the brake thing. That's the only reason I can think of anyway...